The Writing Thread

Have you guys ever recovered from going from "hundreds of ideas and scenes in my brain, i'll turn the mountains upside-down" to "I'm gonna McNutt myself rather than open ms word ever again"? I genuinely like the whole writing game, spent lotta time doing scenes and dialogues, but idk, man, i feel like crap 24\7.
 
Only when I'm deep into revising for 10 months straight. Sounds like you have more important things to fix before you start writing again.
 
Have you guys ever recovered from going from "hundreds of ideas and scenes in my brain, i'll turn the mountains upside-down" to "I'm gonna McNutt myself rather than open ms word ever again"? I genuinely like the whole writing game, spent lotta time doing scenes and dialogues, but idk, man, i feel like crap 24\7.
Depends on what you're working on. I think shitposts are an underrated art form.
 
There's something to investing so much time into it that you get better but what's more important is to have a "true & honest" inner circle that's unafraid of giving not just honest feedback but general bits of advice.

My writing has dramatically improved thanks to an editor friend who told me that my best shit was written while in 1st person.
The most surprising thing you learn reading about the 20th century greats in art and literature is how many of them knew and worked closely with each other. Talented contemporaries supporting one another to make great art seems incredibly rare nowadays. Everyone is afraid to give real criticism, even anonymously.
 
The most surprising thing you learn reading about the 20th century greats in art and literature is how many of them knew and worked closely with each other. Talented contemporaries supporting one another to make great art seems incredibly rare nowadays. Everyone is afraid to give real criticism, even anonymously.
Mostly true. Don't forget that Lovecraft was infamously sensitive and was known to destroy a short story if he got even one bad review from his circle.

I think the problem now is a combination of nepotism and pure ego. It's not that current "writers" are sensitive but they demand praise and if you don't tell someone that they're a genius they just cut you off. Especially if it's a goddamn publisher who's like "Hey, wanna' read my book?" And when you give them that honest answer suddenly your emails don't get responded to.
 
The most surprising thing you learn reading about the 20th century greats in art and literature is how many of them knew and worked closely with each other. Talented contemporaries supporting one another to make great art seems incredibly rare nowadays. Everyone is afraid to give real criticism, even anonymously.
I think artistic types have begun to regain that notion recently. Credentialism has also bled into the arts, i.e., you're not an artist unless you work for a megacorp in LA. Those creatives do nothing but circlejerk one another because criticism harms their attempts to get a job in the industry. The truth is that those people will never give an outsider a job, anyway, so new creatives might as well just work with their peers.
 
Have you guys ever recovered from going from "hundreds of ideas and scenes in my brain, i'll turn the mountains upside-down" to "I'm gonna McNutt myself rather than open ms word ever again"? I genuinely like the whole writing game, spent lotta time doing scenes and dialogues, but idk, man, i feel like crap 24\7.
Writing is a skill like everything else, not a talent. Its something you gotta repeatedly do as practice again and again everyday. Most writing ideas always come as single lines but you gotta actually develop a method to make a 300 page script logically consistent and contained while being interesting instead of being an bloated expansion of a simple idea. At least be happy that writing is a improvable skill unlike intelligence which is almost always a result of character and is almost always an immutable characteristic. I cant make shitposts properly or be funny cause Im not that intelligent despite being able to write relatively well.
 
Writing is a skill like everything else, not a talent. Its something you gotta repeatedly do as practice again and again everyday. Most writing ideas always come as single lines but you gotta actually develop a method to make a 300 page script logically consistent and contained while being interesting instead of being an bloated expansion of a simple idea. At least be happy that writing is a improvable skill unlike intelligence which is almost always a result of character and is almost always an immutable characteristic. I cant make shitposts properly or be funny cause Im not that intelligent despite being able to write relatively well.
Very relevant advice; I recommend watching at 1.5x speed

The problem I have with following Bradbury's advice is that I only enjoy writing things I have not planned. If I already know the ending of something, I no longer feel compelled to write it.
 
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I prefer Bukowksi's take.


It's the atomic age, man. Get to the point and grab 'em by the walls.
 
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going back over something I wrote a while back. Decided to pick it up again now that I have some free time for the holidays.
"Mr.Timson dropped the last of his journals into his leather case. If Timson could boast of a friend who stood by his side through thick and thin, then it would be the leather case sitting unceremoniously on his desk. What can be ceremonious when the wear branding its leather outages its owner half its age? Its hide wore out. lavish red linings only red or lavish within impressions enslaved to a lonesome rot within dormant memories of its owner. Golden buttons dangle on whilst a handle clutches onto the body with all the might of an old man's gums clutching onto the remainder of his teeth. To the cynic: either too light or simply not at all! Perhaps, my perception whispers that at the slightest, faintest breeze, the teeth would fare better at holding up! The seams holding the leather would fare better than the nerves stringing Timson up.
Plenty of prying ears would gladly warm themselves at stories that would flow from such a friend had he a mouth to run and a tongue to spill. From broken hopes and gutted ambitions to warm and hearty drink-swayed laughs, to the company, a stale and dust-ridden floor congregates under cabinet desks. In Timson's case, he can thank whatever divine power watching over our transgressions, that carrying cases have neither tongues to talk nor ears to listen to. Sparing the humiliation that would have accompanied the early retirement 43 years too early.
Our friend finding himself in the company of an estranged sensation, bordering on foreign. Unique enough to be as alien as the illuminating gaze peering down from the moon's glare.
Misery? Sorrow? Despair? Something was churning in that vacant, shallow soul of his, Not quite able to put his finger on it. Weighing the options the momentous day offered. On the one hand, Timson would no longer find his early mornings or late nights crawling by at meetings overstaying their welcome. Akin to the relative that you're too kind-hearted to tell to begin packing, overindulging on your generosity. Leaving behind the daily spectacles of broken hopes. Playing out before his sight with all the crescendo such plays bring, accompanied by their whimpers and pleading. Followed by the argument filled with all the ear-pleasing glories and obscenities that escaped their desperation to fork in their own two cents. Gladly leaving those plays to whoever becomes unfortunate to take his place. A burden chained to the occupancy of the room many find considering a second home. A home away from home. Leaving within whatever tasks his occupation had forced itself to pocket his time. Finally able to burden his day not with the botherings of his labor, but with finding ways to fill the newly emerging vacancy in his time. No longer his briefcase suffocating itself on the trivial matters of the day's tasks. Only opening its grasp now to the belongings of its master upon the travels that it had envisioned within all those lonesome, quit hours the last 43 years had heralded under the desk.
Now, regrettably, we must pay attention to the other hand. For which, to Timsom, might as well have consisted of two left hands.
Upon his departure into retirement, he would find himself forced to give not only his attention but his full presence to Mrs. Timson, or as her friends would prefer, Margaret. Demanding not only all of it, but with the fullest vigor his old age would allow, and even then, having the will to demand more. If yesterday demanded Timson to share only the evening and the night with Margaret, he'll now find himself locked day in and day out with her. Molding the home of his own inheritance into a makeshift prison that stripped him of the solace his work had pitifully allowed. Confining him to her dictation, humiliating him in front of the many friends she welcomed into his home. At the expense of his own wallet be it at that. The gatherings themselves never came cheap. Expensive tastes acquire expensive crowds and what more do expensive crowds love if not to have fun without once opening their purse?
What would Timson do? What else could he do? He had no friends to visit. Most friendships forged in the past had mostly moved beyond the perimeters of his home. Some had moved past the borders of their memories forgetting each other's shared time. The others had been reluctantly made in the confines forced to be shared of the last decades of his work. They were less as friends and more as forced acquaintances. An unfortunate side effect in the pursuit of means to not starve nor go cold.
No relatives to visit him or to visit them. He grew up in the world the only heir to his family's name. Remaining the only living proof of the blood he inherited and whose elder age now threatening to sponge from this Earth. The relatives that were distant to him? They never wrote to him and nor did he to them. For all Timson knew, they were dead.
No hobbies to delve headfirst and drown within. Not finding time within himself to explore intrigues to catch his attention. Some would probably have argued, especially those unfortunate to name Timson their coworker, that his own job was his hobby. Along with his life, vacation, and leisure. Had even he had the will to explore a hobby, it would most certainly have been cut short by the nagging and teasing of Mrs. Timson. Questioning him for wasting their money on useless pursuits while wasting time. All the while in the company of her guests, dining and drinking on the offerings paid by Mr. Timson's savings.
Only attention outside the affairs of his work was shed on the couple's greeting and departure the mornings and nights had brought. Not stretching beyond a lingering second after the encounter Timsom rather much avoided with the first and only of his marriages.
Being as such, to the perspective of at least one, Mrs. Timson was an unbearable circle of Hell. One which Vrigil had taken great effort to avoid treading through along his journey accompanying Dante. Avoiding the slender old wench giving off neither love nor warmth whilst yielding no love for a cashier's register. Shedding a cold shadow on the hand she gave her vow while warming strangers and every passersby with affectionate glances. Holding no sanctity to any vow filling the growing lust for the attention of strangers and neglecting the gaze of one's own. No smile could warm her, nor a gift from your heart and soul could please the likes of her. The only warmth she devoured was the one radiating from the bank account of Timson's savings. Cusping his inheritance as her own, doing what she pleases whilst falling for tried and true methods of the female psyche to guilt men questioning her frivolous wants.
Occasionally feigning affection with the skeletal grasp slithering its way to Timson's palm. Its grasp cold in the summer, surpassing the coldness of her heart in the depths of early winter evenings. Mistakenly, you'll trail the hand to the arm, then up the body until you reach the spine-shivering face holding a glare devoid of any love. Nestled between the gaze, a beak that would humble the proudest of Ravens. After it mistakenly takes the clump of hair on her forehead for a self-warm nest.
Her culinary abilities provided the finest of meals only outdone by the cooking hands of a prison. Their sight, let alone the smell or even a timid taste, would be enough to drive the healthiest and most resilient of stomachs into an early grave. Leaving in her wake a trail of evenings and mornings victim to going on an empty stomach. Leaving our Timson no choice but to enjoy watching his wallet open itself for a meal accompanying his lonesome life. Such a price to pay to spare his stomach from the alchemist's mishmash of over and under-cooked dishes that may, or may not, have a little secret kicking him out from this world"
 
going back over something I wrote a while back. Decided to pick it up again now that I have some free time for the holidays.
"Mr.Timson dropped the last of his journals into his leather case. If Timson could boast of a friend who stood by his side through thick and thin, then it would be the leather case sitting unceremoniously on his desk. What can be ceremonious when the wear branding its leather outages its owner half its age? Its hide wore out. lavish red linings only red or lavish within impressions enslaved to a lonesome rot within dormant memories of its owner. Golden buttons dangle on whilst a handle clutches onto the body with all the might of an old man's gums clutching onto the remainder of his teeth. To the cynic: either too light or simply not at all! Perhaps, my perception whispers that at the slightest, faintest breeze, the teeth would fare better at holding up! The seams holding the leather would fare better than the nerves stringing Timson up.
Plenty of prying ears would gladly warm themselves at stories that would flow from such a friend had he a mouth to run and a tongue to spill. From broken hopes and gutted ambitions to warm and hearty drink-swayed laughs, to the company, a stale and dust-ridden floor congregates under cabinet desks. In Timson's case, he can thank whatever divine power watching over our transgressions, that carrying cases have neither tongues to talk nor ears to listen to. Sparing the humiliation that would have accompanied the early retirement 43 years too early.
Our friend finding himself in the company of an estranged sensation, bordering on foreign. Unique enough to be as alien as the illuminating gaze peering down from the moon's glare.
Misery? Sorrow? Despair? Something was churning in that vacant, shallow soul of his, Not quite able to put his finger on it. Weighing the options the momentous day offered. On the one hand, Timson would no longer find his early mornings or late nights crawling by at meetings overstaying their welcome. Akin to the relative that you're too kind-hearted to tell to begin packing, overindulging on your generosity. Leaving behind the daily spectacles of broken hopes. Playing out before his sight with all the crescendo such plays bring, accompanied by their whimpers and pleading. Followed by the argument filled with all the ear-pleasing glories and obscenities that escaped their desperation to fork in their own two cents. Gladly leaving those plays to whoever becomes unfortunate to take his place. A burden chained to the occupancy of the room many find considering a second home. A home away from home. Leaving within whatever tasks his occupation had forced itself to pocket his time. Finally able to burden his day not with the botherings of his labor, but with finding ways to fill the newly emerging vacancy in his time. No longer his briefcase suffocating itself on the trivial matters of the day's tasks. Only opening its grasp now to the belongings of its master upon the travels that it had envisioned within all those lonesome, quit hours the last 43 years had heralded under the desk.
Now, regrettably, we must pay attention to the other hand. For which, to Timsom, might as well have consisted of two left hands.
Upon his departure into retirement, he would find himself forced to give not only his attention but his full presence to Mrs. Timson, or as her friends would prefer, Margaret. Demanding not only all of it, but with the fullest vigor his old age would allow, and even then, having the will to demand more. If yesterday demanded Timson to share only the evening and the night with Margaret, he'll now find himself locked day in and day out with her. Molding the home of his own inheritance into a makeshift prison that stripped him of the solace his work had pitifully allowed. Confining him to her dictation, humiliating him in front of the many friends she welcomed into his home. At the expense of his own wallet be it at that. The gatherings themselves never came cheap. Expensive tastes acquire expensive crowds and what more do expensive crowds love if not to have fun without once opening their purse?
What would Timson do? What else could he do? He had no friends to visit. Most friendships forged in the past had mostly moved beyond the perimeters of his home. Some had moved past the borders of their memories forgetting each other's shared time. The others had been reluctantly made in the confines forced to be shared of the last decades of his work. They were less as friends and more as forced acquaintances. An unfortunate side effect in the pursuit of means to not starve nor go cold.
No relatives to visit him or to visit them. He grew up in the world the only heir to his family's name. Remaining the only living proof of the blood he inherited and whose elder age now threatening to sponge from this Earth. The relatives that were distant to him? They never wrote to him and nor did he to them. For all Timson knew, they were dead.
No hobbies to delve headfirst and drown within. Not finding time within himself to explore intrigues to catch his attention. Some would probably have argued, especially those unfortunate to name Timson their coworker, that his own job was his hobby. Along with his life, vacation, and leisure. Had even he had the will to explore a hobby, it would most certainly have been cut short by the nagging and teasing of Mrs. Timson. Questioning him for wasting their money on useless pursuits while wasting time. All the while in the company of her guests, dining and drinking on the offerings paid by Mr. Timson's savings.
Only attention outside the affairs of his work was shed on the couple's greeting and departure the mornings and nights had brought. Not stretching beyond a lingering second after the encounter Timsom rather much avoided with the first and only of his marriages.
Being as such, to the perspective of at least one, Mrs. Timson was an unbearable circle of Hell. One which Vrigil had taken great effort to avoid treading through along his journey accompanying Dante. Avoiding the slender old wench giving off neither love nor warmth whilst yielding no love for a cashier's register. Shedding a cold shadow on the hand she gave her vow while warming strangers and every passersby with affectionate glances. Holding no sanctity to any vow filling the growing lust for the attention of strangers and neglecting the gaze of one's own. No smile could warm her, nor a gift from your heart and soul could please the likes of her. The only warmth she devoured was the one radiating from the bank account of Timson's savings. Cusping his inheritance as her own, doing what she pleases whilst falling for tried and true methods of the female psyche to guilt men questioning her frivolous wants.
Occasionally feigning affection with the skeletal grasp slithering its way to Timson's palm. Its grasp cold in the summer, surpassing the coldness of her heart in the depths of early winter evenings. Mistakenly, you'll trail the hand to the arm, then up the body until you reach the spine-shivering face holding a glare devoid of any love. Nestled between the gaze, a beak that would humble the proudest of Ravens. After it mistakenly takes the clump of hair on her forehead for a self-warm nest.
Her culinary abilities provided the finest of meals only outdone by the cooking hands of a prison. Their sight, let alone the smell or even a timid taste, would be enough to drive the healthiest and most resilient of stomachs into an early grave. Leaving in her wake a trail of evenings and mornings victim to going on an empty stomach. Leaving our Timson no choice but to enjoy watching his wallet open itself for a meal accompanying his lonesome life. Such a price to pay to spare his stomach from the alchemist's mishmash of over and under-cooked dishes that may, or may not, have a little secret kicking him out from this world"
man thats a lot of words
too bad im not reading them
 
Text to chat is a real thing, you know.
shut the up
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going back over something I wrote a while back. Decided to pick it up again now that I have some free time for the holidays.
It’s a little hard to read from the formatting, but I can see what you’re trying to do-I do feel bad for the man. I’d have to say…it’s a little overboard in some places? A little too verbose. I think you can still keep the language but cut some of the wording down-it feels a little unnecessary? But overall, I get it. I’d give some examples of where I’d cut some words, but I’m on mobile so it’s hard to do
 
going back over something I wrote a while back. Decided to pick it up again now that I have some free time for the holidays
The verbiage is getting there. I wouldn't say it's bad but it comes off as finding your voice. And I've been there and in this context it's totally fine. Just keep writing. Try and find an editor to bounce off of. And for god's sake never pay for an editor not unless you've gone professional and got a deal or whatever. If you pay for a dude to look over your shit they'll just half-ass it and tell you that you're the next Stephen King or whatever as they abscond with your cash.
 
Very relevant advice; I recommend watching at 1.5x speed

The problem I have with following Bradbury's advice is that I only enjoy writing things I have not planned. If I already know the ending of something, I no longer feel compelled to write it.
This is decent but it's super simple. Just keep writing. I also challenge his opinion that if you write 52 stories per year that at least one has to be good because Max Landis disproves that theory:


To just keep writing is good but to have no feedback loop and all that then you're kind of left out in the ocean trying to figure out how to swim to dry land.
 
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Kind of quick relies, will be more autistic later:
Is it wrong to change how much a third person impersonal narrator knows depending on the circumstances?

So for example, let's say we've got two characters, Jack and Jill. The narration is third person, but mostly centering around Jack. Jack is the main character, an action hero, and Jill is a woman he just met. Jack doesn't really know if he can trust her yet. The narration only shows Jack's inner thoughts.

Would it be wrong/inconsistent if, in later chapters when Jill is more trusted, the narration included her inner thoughts as well?

OIf you've comitted to deep third a reader probably will find it jarring, but if Jack is fairly empathetic, and you've got a good "show" scene in there, you won't need to have an inner thought on her hehalf. On the other hand I've read some excellent impersonal head hopping books.


The problem I have with following Bradbury's advice is that I only enjoy writing things I have not planned. If I already know the ending of something, I no longer feel compelled to write it.
It's one of the bitter realities of writing, that a hundred people may want to write a book, probably only ONE will finish it. Not through lack of talent, but through sheer motivation. Novel writing is one of those exercises that not only challenges creativity, but the act of picking oneself oout of the mud and doing something painful and Not Creative. Weirdly, some of the best stuff has come out of this.
This is decent but it's super simple. Just keep writing. I also challenge his opinion that if you write 52 stories per year that at least one has to be good because Max Landis disproves that theory:


To just keep writing is good but to have no feedback loop and all that then you're kind of left out in the ocean trying to figure out how to swim to dry land.
Yeah, the existence of Max Landis is a blot on the idea talent will get you anywhere. It's seems all nepotism now.

As for feedback, writing courses like Clarion and others are perhaps the only way of getting proper concrete criticism. By the time you're submitting, you're really in the "Yes or no" thunderdome, and can't really rely on getting anything constructive.

I might do a crit on a couple of works here. The other thing is "Nice Feedback" is not helpful, and sometimes people post pieces for Asspats. They don't want to be told what is wrong. (or how to fix it)

Cruelty is bad, but at some stage a criticism will require a taking apart of the work with a "this is not working and this is why".
 
Cruelty is bad, but at some stage a criticism will require a taking apart of the work with a "this is not working and this is why".
It seems to be a current year problem for sure. Some people just cannot accept even mild criticism.
 
Yo, want back into writing so please pick apart this thing I wrote years ago about being the last white guy in the hood in the years after 9/11
 

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I love writing supernatural and horror stuff.
I think I still could use some practice though...

I'll post something here later. (If I remember that is)

Posted some of my writing before in the QA board (Ofcourse expected the worst)

Never saw this thread before though.
 
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