Culture The YouTube MCN Purge: YouTube networks drop thousands of creators as YouTube policy shifts - The adpocalypse strikes back and it's worse than ever

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The future of multi-channel networks like Fullscreen, Ritual Network, BBTV and more are in question as thousands of creators are purged.

Multi-channel networks refer to companies that work with hundreds or thousands of YouTube creators under one umbrella. The network pays each creator a percentage of ad revenue (versus creators going through Google AdSense directly) and higher CPM (cost per views). Multi-channel networks have always been contentious. With tens of thousands of creators working under one umbrella, creators can feel like they’re not getting the attention they deserve.

Still, MCNs attract creators who didn’t want to go through YouTube’s laborious AdSense application process, but multiple sources tell Polygon it’s unlikely some MCNs will continue to operate within a year.

It all started a couple of weeks ago when creators working with Fullscreen began tweeting about being dropped from the network, seemingly without cause. According to an email seen by Polygon, Fullscreen told one of its former creators they were being dropped over “a decision that comes from YouTube and is out of our control.” A Fullscreen representative later told Polygon the original message “was inaccurate, and we’ve since revised our emails to creators accordingly.” Fullscreen terminated contracts for “approximately 160 creators” on April 5, according to the rep.

Fullscreen’s representative told Polygon the revised email sent to creators whose contracts have been terminated now reads:

The team here at Fullscreen is reaching out to let you know that your agreement with Fullscreen, Inc. has been terminated. Due to the nature of your uploads and because your uploads may potentially infringe on the right of others or potentially violates applicable laws or regulations, including without limitation YouTube’s Terms of Service and/or YouTube’s Community Guidelines, we feel it best that we part ways. Thank you for your understanding, and good luck with your YouTube channel.

Still, apparent messages from Howard Pinsky, director of creator marketing at Fullscreen, sent on a public Fullscreen Discord provided conflicting reports.

“YouTube is ‘forcing’ all networks to remove creators that are at risk of violating terms of service (copyright issues, misleading thumbnails, etc),” Pinsky said, according to a screenshot of that message. “This isn’t a decision from the networks, but one from YouTube. They’re really starting to clean up the platform. Fullscreen (and other networks) have zero say in this. This is a decision from YouTube. From what they explained to us, ‘many channels that posed a risk of violating YouTube’s terms of service, even if no strikes were present, were released.’”

Pinsky declined to comment when reached out by Polygon to verify the messages.

The decision Pinsky referred to is something called the “Know Your Customer” policy, according to Jason Urgo, CEO of Social Blade, a statistics company that works with multiple MCNs. Urgo told Polygon via email that “YouTube is putting more pressure on MCNs,” pointing to the new policy, which went into effect on March 1, as an example.

The “Know Your Customer” policy puts MCNs in a tricky position, according to Urgo, who said that it pushes companies to drop a large number of creators in order to continue working with YouTube.

“[It] in effect forces MCNs to either watch every video uploaded by their partners, or at least be reasonably confident none of the videos they are uploading could possibly either in the present or in the future violate or even come close to violating a YouTube guideline/terms,” Urgo said. “The way this is enforced is that if a network has more then 50 ‘abuse events’ (an abuse event is when a channel gets terminated or loses their monetization privileges) in a 90 day period they lose the ability to partner any other channel for a period of time.

“If this 50 in 90 rule is triggered multiple times, the MCN can be revoked.”

That means creators are being dropped because of the potential threat they face to YouTube and the MCN, but these reasons weren’t given to creators.

“Due to YouTube’s changes to its partnership program and implementation of stricter content guidelines, we’re required to restructure our network to ensure conformity,” one leaked email sent to a former Fullscreen partner reads. “Your channel will be removed from the network on 4/11, and I am truly sorry we’re not able to keep you with us — believe me I did try!”

Another former Fullscreen creator affected, Justin Rabbit, told Polygon he also wasn’t originally given a proper reason by Fullscreen why the network dropped him. Rabbit said he’s never received a strike on his channel from YouTube.

“Whenever I asked anyone I either got no reply or was told a generic response,” Rabbit told Polygon via email. “When I tried to ask further what I did, I just kept getting the same answer. My channel has never had a strike or any problem with it since I started it. I obey every rule YouTube puts out.”

The new internal policy means that “networks now have to either drop [everyone] but their top partners or bring more people on to manually review all content, which just isn’t economical in most cases,” according to Urgo. This is especially troubling for smaller creators, who faced another major obstacle ahead of the “Know Your Customer” policy. YouTube introduced a new threshold for creators, asking for a minimum of 1,000 subscribers and 4,000 hours of accrued watch time in the past 12 months. This was a radical shift from the previous threshold, which asked for 10,000 channel lifetime views.

SocialBlade has worked with thousands of creators over the years, and multiple MCNs like Disney’s Maker Studios and BBTV, one of the largest MCNs working today, to help creators get partnered. This allowed them to bypass the traditional process of going through AdSense to try and monetize their own videos. YouTube’s policy now means that MCNs like BBTV are increasing their own threshold for clients. Creators must now meet 100,000 views per month to be eligible as a BBTV client.

“The 100,000 views [per month] is a threshold set by BBTV to limit the number of channels who qualify, because YouTube’s new rule in effect turns partners into liabilities and rather then being able to help a large number of smaller partners, they have to focus only on the top, safer ones,” Urgo said. “From a business sense this makes total sense in risk avoidance, but it’s really sad because we’ve always been for the community helping the little guy get a chance to make it.”

This isn’t the first time that a multi-channel network has restructured its creator program to appease YouTube’s new guidelines. Maker Studios dropped support for more than 55,000 YouTubers following controversy over Felix “PewDiePie” Kjellberg last February, according to the Wall Street Journal, although the decision was reportedly in the works before then. Maker Studios limited the number of creators it was working with to approximately 300, with those channels sharing the same core values Disney believes in.

Now, multi-channel networks are going through a similar purge. One manager at a popular MCN, who asked to remain anonymous, said thousands of creators are being dropped from almost every major MCN, including their own, noting that thousands of creators have been dropped.

“YouTube are making it impossible,” the person said. “YouTube are trying to get rid of MCNs to the point where we can no longer operate. I don’t see any MCNs operating within the next six months. It feels like YouTube is trying to make us go bankrupt. We’re at the stage where it’s like the end of an era.”

Thousands of creators are being dropped from MCNs, according to the source, as MCNs become stricter talent managers. Similar to what happened with Maker Studios’ post-PewDiePie, where more than 50,000 creators were dropped, the same thing seems to be happening to all MCNs now. Instead of MCNs being an entry-level partnership for up-and-coming creators, companies will work with a few hundred people already popular. Maker Studios for example, represents jackscepticeye and Markiplier, two of the biggest names in YouTube gaming.

“At this point MCNs just need to disband before we’re forced to,” the MCN manager said. “If they just blatantly saying that YouTube is telling MCNs to unlink channels, it gives YouTube a bad name. MCNs need YouTube. It’s an insane time to be at an MCN right now, and it’s insane to think of what happens next. We haven’t got much left in the MCN era.”

Polygon has reached out to YouTube for comment.

Update: A senior manager at Ritual Network, who asked to remain anonymous, told Polygon the network doesn’t view the internal changes as a negative impact on its own creators.

“Our business model has always revolved around working with the very best talent & the new policy does not affect this,” they said. “The new policy is set out by YouTube to help protect the community and advertisers and will help stop all of the bad actors in the community ... I could understand how this could affect some companies in this space as they work with tens of thousands of YouTube content creators [and] it will always be hard to monitor content at that scale.”

They would not comment on whether Ritual Network did raise the threshold to 100,000 views a month, like BBTV, but did offer this statement.

“Our requirements vary depending on different factors including content quality, views, subscribers, potential etc,” they said. “I am under the impression that a lot of other companies in this space have had to release a lot of channels. However, we have released less than five channels due to this new policy.”

Update 2: A Fullscreen representative reached out to Polygon to confirm creator marketing director Howard Pinsky’s Discord messages. The representative added that “it was a conversation that took place prematurely with creators and Howard has since corrected himself.

“Across the board, Fullscreen has corrected all outbound messaging to more accurately reflect the reason for channel releases from our network as reflected in the official statement given to [Polygon] on Friday,” the representative said.
 
I wish I could see the looks on the faces in YouTube headquarters when it becomes clear to them they aren't going to become the next Netflix.
Everyone at Youtube except the management realizes this. But the higher-ups are still writing checks, so they shrug and continue doing work they know is pointless.

Just look at the gigantic money-sink that Youtube Red has become. They're pumping millions upon millions into advertising and promoting it.

Yet it's widely known as a joke because, despite all that Google money, their content is still made up of shitty Streamers, Vloggers, and terrible "Original" movies/shows.

The "Youtube Red Originals" are by far the most hilariously pathetic thing. They're "Sci-Fi Original" bad, but without the camp, B-Movie style, or self-awareness.
 
Everyone at Youtube except the management realizes this. But the higher-ups are still writing checks, so they shrug and continue doing work they know is pointless.

Just look at the gigantic money-sink that Youtube Red has become. They're pumping millions upon millions into advertising and promoting it.

Yet it's widely known as a joke because, despite all that Google money, their content is still made up of shitty Streamers, Vloggers, and terrible "Original" movies/shows.

The "Youtube Red Originals" are by far the most hilariously pathetic thing. They're "Sci-Fi Original" bad, but without the camp, B-Movie style, or self-awareness.

I liked 12 Deadly Days. And ONLY 12 Deadly Days, because it was deliberately campy and didn't rely on you knowing who the fuck any of the youtubers involved were.

As opposed to literally every other sort, which is either unintentionally bad or is just "This guy's regular vlog, but longer".
 
I've literally never heard anything good about MCNs. They practically ignore smaller youtubers and bigger youtubers don't get any benefit out of them.
They're usually bad pimps.

Did, like, JackSepticEye break into everyone's houses and shit in their wheaties or something? I get that it's fun to dunk on Youtubers but this is basically people getting fired for POTENTIAL wrongthink. Like, not even actual things they've done wrong, but things they MIGHT do wrong.

this is basically the same as the city saying to a pimp "Hey if 50 of your bitches test positive for HIV in a 90 day period, you can't hire any new bitches to work in this city for A While™," in a city where there are an effectively unlimited number of young women willing to have sex for money and give a pimp some of the money even if that pimp doesn't really help their sex business any.
 
Wasn't that what the whole "Youtube Red" thing was? I've also noticed many videos having subtitles like "S1 E4" for something that is just a let's play, which doesn't make any sense.
I can't comment on the whole ads thing because I use uBlock and donate to people's Patreons.
YouTube Red is their subscription service that has original shows/movies you can only see on there. I was gonna use the filter trial to watch Lazer Team after the theater showing, but RoosterTeeth came out with a DVD and I just got that instead. YouTube Kids is apparently a family friendly version of YouTube along with kiddy shows.
 
They're usually bad pimps.

While I understand your point about MCNs, comparing "violates YTs rules" to HIV is pretty extreme. This would be more "if your bitches had a cold once 5 years ago, even if their health has been absolutely stellar since then. Or if some rando decides her tits are slightly off-center and that makes him sad."
 
While I understand your point about MCNs, comparing "violates YTs rules" to HIV is pretty extreme. This would be more "if your bitches had a cold once 5 years ago, even if their health has been absolutely stellar since then. Or if some rando decides her tits are slightly off-center and that makes him sad."
Nothing bad happens to MCNs if they ignore YouTube's advice, unless channels under that MCN's umbrella actually get demonetized or banned from YouTube. So it really is the same thing. The suggestion, continuing with that analogy, is to drop bitches that refuse to use condoms. MCNs dropping tons of partners are either overreacting or fully aware a bunch of their partners are channels that do not fit in line with what YouTube expects. The first case is sad, the second case is just scummy companies realizing they can't be scummy without consequences anymore.
 
Nothing bad happens to MCNs if they ignore YouTube's advice, unless channels under that MCN's umbrella actually get demonetized or banned from YouTube. So it really is the same thing. The suggestion, continuing with that analogy, is to drop bitches that refuse to use condoms. MCNs dropping tons of partners are either overreacting or fully aware a bunch of their partners are channels that do not fit in line with what YouTube expects. The first case is sad, the second case is just scummy companies realizing they can't be scummy without consequences anymore.

Eh, fair. I'm just annoyed at yet another shining example of "Everyone but the higher-ups gets fucked without lube" in business practices. Especially considering Youtube's rules can be pretty draconian in the first place.
 
Anyway, what content creator is still reliant on Youtube Ad-Dosh? Isn't Patreon far more lucrative than the pittance that you make from ads?

Very much so. Patreon even has better cuts than Twitch. A few people I follow on Twitch have "Affiliate" partnerships which is just a bottom-tier level that affords these streamers literally nothing but still allows Twitch to skim extra money off the top. There's a $100 payout threshold that affiliates need to reach before getting a check which is just impossible considering what's offered to them. For every $5 Twitch sub they get half of it, and as we all know "Twitch Bits" equate to 1 bit = $0.01, so you need literally 10,000 of them to get a check. The bigger problem is that even though you can subscribe to an affiliate, they have nothing to offer you in return. Affiliates are restricted to 1 emoticon slot no matter how many subscribers they have (partnered channels start with 2 and their available slots increase as their subscriber counts increase). Subscribers to affiliate channels also do not get any special badges in chat.

This makes for an incredibly hard sell. Because of this, all of the affiliate channels I follow explicitly discourage their viewers from contributing to them on Twitch in any meaningful way and instead urge them to pledge to their Patreon pages. Out of the same five bucks that a Twitch subscriber would pitch in, they get $4.50 of it from Patreon -- two full dollars more per subscriber. They also get paid every month no matter what as there's no $100 threshold there.

So yeah, things are shitty on Twitch too, and Amazon/Twitch has found a way to wring extra bucks from their bottom tier creators while really not having to ever pay them or give them any benefits at all.
 
Very much so. Patreon even has better cuts than Twitch. A few people I follow on Twitch have "Affiliate" partnerships which is just a bottom-tier level that affords these streamers literally nothing but still allows Twitch to skim extra money off the top. There's a $100 payout threshold that affiliates need to reach before getting a check which is just impossible considering what's offered to them. For every $5 Twitch sub they get half of it, and as we all know "Twitch Bits" equate to 1 bit = $0.01, so you need literally 10,000 of them to get a check. The bigger problem is that even though you can subscribe to an affiliate, they have nothing to offer you in return. Affiliates are restricted to 1 emoticon slot no matter how many subscribers they have (partnered channels start with 2 and their available slots increase as their subscriber counts increase). Subscribers to affiliate channels also do not get any special badges in chat.

This makes for an incredibly hard sell. Because of this, all of the affiliate channels I follow explicitly discourage their viewers from contributing to them on Twitch in any meaningful way and instead urge them to pledge to their Patreon pages. Out of the same five bucks that a Twitch subscriber would pitch in, they get $4.50 of it from Patreon -- two full dollars more per subscriber. They also get paid every month no matter what as there's no $100 threshold there.

So yeah, things are shitty on Twitch too, and Amazon/Twitch has found a way to wring extra bucks from their bottom tier creators while really not having to ever pay them or give them any benefits at all.
Yeah, that's why many animators (along with myself) do the plan of
1. Stream creation process on Twitch (especially since in-progress animation videos have gone out of style with the exception of some smaller ones that do this)
2. Upload final animation to YT
3. Direct people to Patreon
 
I fucking hate how YouTube is trying to turn itself into yet another mainstream tv network. YouTube became so popular because it offers content that wouldn't be shown on mainstream cable. They of all people should know that TV is a slowly dying industry and that the future belongs to internet entertainment.

The current thought is that going mainstream means having to appeal to the moral busybodies of the day.

I don't think that's the case, if anything the opposite is true. I doubt the valley-girl in charge will be able to recognize that though.

I'm sure that's an immutable situation that will never change. (Well, it would be if you got the government involved and turned google into a utility)

Perhaps I have a radical stance but I think we should be suspicious of large mega corporations like Google.

I don't think free speech has any value if every single meaningful platform is shutdown to certain ideas. Sure you can wave a billboard but you need to use large internet services to get any idea or movement off the ground.
 
Very much so. Patreon even has better cuts than Twitch.
You can make money the following three ways as a Twitch streamer (limited to what Twitch offers): bits, subs, and ads. The ratio of dollars a viewer spends to dollars a streamer gets is nearly the same with bits as it is for a direct PayPal contribution and more than a Patreon pledge. Subs are garbage for streamers, but they do have the benefit of auto-renewal so streamers might be able to rely on people forgetting to turn it off. Partners can make money off ads, affiliates are supposed to be able to with a date TBD.
There's a $100 payout threshold that affiliates need to reach before getting a check which is just impossible considering what's offered to them.
I know a guy who gets like 70 viewers a stream, doesn't ask for bits or subs, doesn't give anything for bits, and makes about $250 a month. I know a guy who gets like 3 viewers a stream and usually made $2-3 a month. It's not even figuratively impossible.
For every $5 Twitch sub they get half of it
So do partners, partners get an additional share of $10 and $25 subs.
The bigger problem is that even though you can subscribe to an affiliate, they have nothing to offer you in return. Affiliates are restricted to 1 emoticon slot no matter how many subscribers they have
Affiliates get three emote slots; one each for $5, $10, and $25 subs. In additional affiliates, just like partners, can do fun shit when they reach sub goals. Even DSP understands that.
Subscribers to affiliate channels also do not get any special badges in chat.
Subscribers to affiliate channels do get a badge, but not a custom one.

EDIT: I forgot affiliates can get kickbacks if people buy games listed under their Twitch profile when playing them. As far as I know the kickbacks are the same with an affiliate as with a partner.
 
I'm going to be a bit late and take a strange view, YT may end up like old youtube. Art for fun and well free storage. Click bait is pointless, "working" there dies off, so it's for people who want to share things easier and store vids for free.

I don't think YT will ever be cool again, but it could have a niche use of a dog video that only you and your friends get, or you catching that fly ball that didn't matter at a double A game. Means a lot to you but that's all, it's not "viral" worthy, and it's not a career.

Personally I barely use YT because this shit has been going on a long time. But maybe it can go back to it's old roots, now with so many options even trying that is kinda an up hill battle. I feel YT has screwed the pooch, but googles pockets are deep so it won't circle the drain anytime soon as a site, I mean FFS google + is still a thing.
 
The "Youtube Red Originals" are by far the most hilariously pathetic thing. They're "Sci-Fi Original" bad, but without the camp, B-Movie style, or self-awareness.
I admit I want to watch I'm Poppy (no bulli pls), but not enough to ever pay those motherfuckers while they're ruining what used to be a great platform. Aside from that and whatever the VSauce dude has been doing instead of making content, nothing else they have I would even pirate.
 
Obi-Wan: "That boy is our last hope."
Yoda: "No...there is another..."


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I'm going to be a bit late and take a strange view, YT may end up like old youtube. Art for fun and well free storage. Click bait is pointless, "working" there dies off, so it's for people who want to share things easier and store vids for free.

I don't think YT will ever be cool again, but it could have a niche use of a dog video that only you and your friends get, or you catching that fly ball that didn't matter at a double A game. Means a lot to you but that's all, it's not "viral" worthy, and it's not a career.

Personally I barely use YT because this shit has been going on a long time. But maybe it can go back to it's old roots, now with so many options even trying that is kinda an up hill battle. I feel YT has screwed the pooch, but googles pockets are deep so it won't circle the drain anytime soon as a site, I mean FFS google + is still a thing.

Ahahaha

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

no. No, we're never getting that back. Youtube's trying to be New Netflix/Haute Hulu, and it will go to its digital grave if that means the executives never have to say they made a mistake.
 
Youtube's trying to be New Netflix/Haute Hulu, and it will go to its digital grave if that means the executives never have to say they made a mistake.
Isn't that for the best, though? Youtube has been corrupted by the search for more advertisers and has disincentivized good content in pursuit of that. Since Silicon Valley types never admit they're wrong, hopefully when Youtube dies/becomes completely uncool, another site may be able to take its place. Hopefully whoever owns that site doesn't sell out to Google.
 
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