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And guess who the thieves steal from when they have no stores left to steal from...
There is nothing morally wrong with shoplifting from multi-billion dollar stores like Walmart
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And guess who the thieves steal from when they have no stores left to steal from...
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No, theft child. Stealing is wrong, theft child. Enjoy prison, theft child
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>Heh piracy is le based because fuck giving billion dollar media companies my cash over the products they make for me to consume. They're always doing anti consumer practices and upcharging subscribers for shit that costs way too much, they deserve it and I will continue doing it.
>NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO YOU CANT STEAL FROM THE WHOLESOME HECKKING BILLION DOLLAR RETAIL STOREORINO, YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO BE A UPSTANDING CITIZEN AND PAY FOR THE PLASTIC SLOP AND ZOGCHOW THEY MAKE FOR YOU TO CONSOOM!!!!!!!!!!!!!! STEALING WILL FORCE THEM TO INPUT MORE ANTI-THEFT, ANTI-CONSUMER PRACTICES AND HURT THE ECONOMY AND THAT'S LE BAD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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I mean its fine that you feel that way, but will you chimp out when those businesses decide they don't want to do business in a neighborhood who feel the same way as you?
you know its a matter of "when", because people like you have done it and that was the response.
They warned you of ther consequences, and unlike the limpdicked politicians, these companies have and are following through. now pepple are out of a job and everything locked up at other stores like fort knox because of rampant perpetually unemployed behavior,due to some hammer and sickle mega tard having a meltdown paying 50 cents for a toothbrush or the rampant diversity.
you know its a matter of "when", because people like you have done it and that was the response.
They warned you of ther consequences, and unlike the limpdicked politicians, these companies have and are following through. now pepple are out of a job and everything locked up at other stores like fort knox because of rampant perpetually unemployed behavior,due to some hammer and sickle mega tard having a meltdown paying 50 cents for a toothbrush or the rampant diversity.
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Copyright is based and capitalist pilled, actually.
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Yeah you're right, it will not hurt the business, they will just raise prices and it will hurt the people who actually need it and can't afford it anymore. Just don't be an autistic faggot and get a job.
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He needs to wait until it's daytime because if it's too dark we won't be able to see them
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Literally isn't because it's not merit based. It's as if I did an electrical installation and was charging you indefinitely for it's use, instead of charging work hours and materials once. You still can't legally rip many movies which were made by people who are mostly dead by now. And what about people who participated in it's creation but don't hold the copy right? many actors only get paid once and then the studios cashe in on the loincense indefinitely without ever needing to prodooce anything in return, it's the complete antithesis to capitalism. The model is more similar to social benefits. You earn by people consooming something continuously which isn't actually produced continuously.
There's lots of other points to make about how fucked the concept of owning an idea is but I digress and don't care.
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OP is missing the key point made in their own title.
The title of the thread says MORALLY.
"Morally" may have some understandable flex in the case of true, survival-level dire need by the person committing x act. It may even have some (slight) bend to allow for cultural or embedded deprivation influence.
It may also have some +/- severity in terms of impact (e.g., it is an even greater moral infraction to sucker-punch a three-year-old with cerebral palsy than to sucker-punch a professional boxer, for a number of reasons).
And there can be righteous reasons to rise up collectively against oppressive schemes.
But aside from those things, regardless of degree, stealing what is not yours just because you desire it, because you just want or covet it for your own benefit, is some level of immoral.
Maybe sharing your Netflix account with your kid at college or your ex-wife is minor sin, and "everybody does it" and "you won't get caught," but it's still not quite yours.
That some organization or person can, in your view, afford it is irrelevant.
It's not yours, and you just want it so you take it - that's just a wrong. Own that, without some pretense of justification. You have no larger point; it's just "I want it."
Stealing anything is at the least an ugly little blot on one's book of life. Not egregious, maybe, assuming minor stuff, but it says something about who you are - and that is something between an imperfect human and a cheat, a liar, a thief.
Your analogy also presumes an underlying charge for a service, which doesn't exist for stuff just put out there and made viewable. In your analogy, someone else is charging you for the electricity. The independent electrician is charging you to fix the systems that facilitate your receipt/ use of the thing you need, not the thing itself. If those things aren't owned/ managed by the electricity provider (in which case they would have to fix it for you), then it's completely different than a copyright scenario.
The title of the thread says MORALLY.
"Morally" may have some understandable flex in the case of true, survival-level dire need by the person committing x act. It may even have some (slight) bend to allow for cultural or embedded deprivation influence.
It may also have some +/- severity in terms of impact (e.g., it is an even greater moral infraction to sucker-punch a three-year-old with cerebral palsy than to sucker-punch a professional boxer, for a number of reasons).
And there can be righteous reasons to rise up collectively against oppressive schemes.
But aside from those things, regardless of degree, stealing what is not yours just because you desire it, because you just want or covet it for your own benefit, is some level of immoral.
Maybe sharing your Netflix account with your kid at college or your ex-wife is minor sin, and "everybody does it" and "you won't get caught," but it's still not quite yours.
That some organization or person can, in your view, afford it is irrelevant.
It's not yours, and you just want it so you take it - that's just a wrong. Own that, without some pretense of justification. You have no larger point; it's just "I want it."
Stealing anything is at the least an ugly little blot on one's book of life. Not egregious, maybe, assuming minor stuff, but it says something about who you are - and that is something between an imperfect human and a cheat, a liar, a thief.
Your analogy doesn't work. Someone creates something and publishes it. Whether or not they charge you for it, you lifting it outside of the fair use/ criticism framework and using it directly, not even derivatively, to directly make money for yourself is theft (I am NOT talking about criticism or mockery of someone's output; I'm talking about literally taking someone's copyrighted words and repeating them as if they were your own and charging for/ profiting from that lie).
Your analogy also presumes an underlying charge for a service, which doesn't exist for stuff just put out there and made viewable. In your analogy, someone else is charging you for the electricity. The independent electrician is charging you to fix the systems that facilitate your receipt/ use of the thing you need, not the thing itself. If those things aren't owned/ managed by the electricity provider (in which case they would have to fix it for you), then it's completely different than a copyright scenario.
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One man's trash is another man's treasure. I don't personally care for Funkopops, but if someone decides that a doll is worth their dime, I don't question their choice.
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Stealing harms not just the business you steal from, but society at large. When people don't steal (or commit any crime) we can live in nice societies where we can trust each other and have things like self-checkout and products you can just grab off the shelf. It's a high trust society.
When you steal you erode the base trust of society. Stealing harms the stores revenue, this requires them to reduce trust and raise prices to continue to operate. Once the stealing is bad enough that store will have to up and leave, creating a food desert that Mom and Pops just aren't going to fill up. The ghetto doesn't cause crime, crime causes the ghetto. When what little independent stores see how Walmart is faring, they'll also reduce trust. When people live in a society where their neighbors aren't trusted to handle their own groceries, they won't trust their neighbors. It's a ghetto downward spiral.
When you steal you erode the base trust of society. Stealing harms the stores revenue, this requires them to reduce trust and raise prices to continue to operate. Once the stealing is bad enough that store will have to up and leave, creating a food desert that Mom and Pops just aren't going to fill up. The ghetto doesn't cause crime, crime causes the ghetto. When what little independent stores see how Walmart is faring, they'll also reduce trust. When people live in a society where their neighbors aren't trusted to handle their own groceries, they won't trust their neighbors. It's a ghetto downward spiral.
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Walmart adjusts it's employees bonuses based on how much shrink their store has. Fuck them for that, but you are in fact taking money out of the already underpaid and exploited workers pockets when you shoplift.
Don't be an n person.
Don't be an n person.
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What exactly makes Walmart bad? That they're more successful than the average mom and pop shop? Are they implicitly evil just due to their overall competence? Are McDonalds and Starbucks evil, too?
The merit is that it's my intellectual property that I invented and not yours. If I don't have ownership over my intellectual property then why shouldn't real property be treated the same? After all, the same logic for piracy applies to shoplifting, "I'm not hurting anyone, I'm sticking it to the man! They have insurance anyway, it's a victimless crime."
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Y'know you could just go to a mom and pop store, or support a more local business rather than shoplifting.
But your niggermind couldn't conceive of that thought could it?
But your niggermind couldn't conceive of that thought could it?
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I agree OP, but you shouldn't make a habit of it. Maybe like a pack of gum every once in a while so you can feel like you're sticking it to the man with minimal risk to yourself.
People like Galen Weston are robbing you blind and you should not feel bad about repaying the favour occasionally.
People like Galen Weston are robbing you blind and you should not feel bad about repaying the favour occasionally.
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The only entities stealing from may be morally grey is stealing from evil people, like Robin Hood. The big woke companies definitely deserve to be destroyed, so stealing from them is not something I'd condemn.
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You can't steal from "walmart corporation".
When you steal items, the cost of what you stole is reflected on everything else. The price of products in general will rise, and it's the honest buyers that will pay the cost.
If you want a more obvious effect of that, look at the healthcare cost in USA. The reason it's so expensive isn't because some greedy goblin is making a mountain of money, it's because lots of people don't pay. It's because 100 Shaniquas go to the hospital for obesity-related issues and NEVER pay their bills that the poor honest guy has a huge 20k bills for a splinter in the finger. The hospital has to recoup the loss of non-payment somewhere.
When a hobo or a junkie is passed out in the street, an ambulance will still come and treatment will still occur, but he will never pay for it, YOU will the fated day you will have an emergency.
When niggers steal in Walmart they don't pay for it, you, the honest customer, will. The corporation won't.
When you steal items, the cost of what you stole is reflected on everything else. The price of products in general will rise, and it's the honest buyers that will pay the cost.
If you want a more obvious effect of that, look at the healthcare cost in USA. The reason it's so expensive isn't because some greedy goblin is making a mountain of money, it's because lots of people don't pay. It's because 100 Shaniquas go to the hospital for obesity-related issues and NEVER pay their bills that the poor honest guy has a huge 20k bills for a splinter in the finger. The hospital has to recoup the loss of non-payment somewhere.
When a hobo or a junkie is passed out in the street, an ambulance will still come and treatment will still occur, but he will never pay for it, YOU will the fated day you will have an emergency.
When niggers steal in Walmart they don't pay for it, you, the honest customer, will. The corporation won't.