Things you used to believe/support but don't anymore

[TIM4EUS]

when the vaxx started rolling out I swore off women that got vaxxed but now its so freaking common (and im thoroughly demoralized) that I just stopped caring. if I meet a woman that im attracted to and feel compatible with then ill be with her even if shes vaxxed

 

[Rome's rightful successor]

About a decade ago I was once a fedora tipping "edgy" atheist and a committed true believer sjw.
Glad that I chose to not continue going down that path.

 

[Nacho Man Randy Salsa]

I was a big time Objectivist when I was young, A is A and all that stuff.

 

[poopshoes]

I used to support my fellow countrymen because I thought at the end of the day we all still stood as one. Past couple of years has taught me a lot.

 

[PipTheAlchemist]

I used to be very pro trans (while being VERY anti-gay at the same time)

You were the country of Iran?

 

[Hyperbola]

I used to believe that other people were adults and had important reasons for the things they believed and the way they acted. I used to believe that it was important to check my moral and epistemic orientation against what other people believe about the world, because surely there was a lot of thought, observation, and experience behind it all.

I was an idiot. The world is not that way at all.

 

[All Smiles]

I used to believe in a thing called love (Just listen to the rhythm of my heart)

 

[Kill a Troon for Pikamee]

I believed that this world can be saved and that it's possible for things to get better

 

[PointOfNoReturnPoint]

@(((I am NOT a jew)))
Pretty much what you said but in relation to "real friends". When I was in high school and in college, I had a tight knit circle of friends that I could at least talk to and hang out with once in a while. Eventually we drifted apart naturally and amicably and (slight PL) I have been trying to relive that friendship with other people. It made me realize how self-serving and annoying most people are in real life and how the very few people are genuinely good natured. I just stop talking to people outside of my family, with exceptions to a couple people I really find I like talking to on a regular basis at church and at work. They are genuinely nice people and I enjoy my conversations with them, even if they are on a weekly basis and rather short. They are something to look forward to unlike most conversations, which are a chore. I've just learned to live for God, my family and myself. With very few exceptions, everyone one else and fuck off unless they are paying me to care. Really, it's not the quantity of relationships you have but the quality of them that matters, yet most people are willing to sacrifice the latter for the former.

With Internet friends, I always realized that was a bit ephemeral though since you are seeing an avatar rather than an actual person. But it's still nice knowing there are people that see the same problems you do with society, think similarly and can have an actual intellectual discussion with, something that's becoming extremely rarer in today's social media infested world.

It really boils down to this. It's hilariously painful to see people on the internet complain about thing's and they really haven't swallowed this pill in life yet. Alot of mentally ill troons ( which ones aren't ? ) cant accept this fact that you have your own problems and no one else. Why do you have to make anything and everything that goes on with you anyone else's business? Or more importantly understand that unless you are physically handicapped that this shit does not stop anyone other than you. After the mid 2000's this mindset is just gone it seems.

I don't think it's about sacrificing so much as they never lived in a time period where you had to really make hard decisions about who you talked to and what you did with your time and effort. I am not going to power level here but I remember the time period before social media ( fuck I remember having to use the yellow pages unironically. ) and when a friend moved to the other side of town, they were fucking gone. You understood this on a level that cant really happen today unless you are Amish. While this is a great thing to have access too as it means if something comes up you are close enough to get a hold of you really find out that eventually you are just hanging onto them more than you actually have them in your life. But the sick mind of someone who is online all the time cannot comprehend that these people are not your friends they are people you share interests with and they don't know how to value this properly.

Chalk up the internet ruining something else.

 

[(((I am NOT a jew)))]

It really boils down to this. It's hilariously painful to see people on the internet complain about thing's and they really haven't swallowed this pill in life yet. Alot of mentally ill troons ( which ones aren't ? ) cant accept this fact that you have your own problems and no one else. Why do you have to make anything and everything that goes on with you anyone else's business? Or more importantly understand that unless you are physically handicapped that this shit does not stop anyone other than you. After the mid 2000's this mindset is just gone it seems.

I don't think it's about sacrificing so much as they never lived in a time period where you had to really make hard decisions about who you talked to and what you did with your time and effort. I am not going to power level here but I remember the time period before social media ( fuck I remember having to use the yellow pages unironically. ) and when a friend moved to the other side of town, they were fucking gone. You understood this on a level that cant really happen today unless you are Amish. While this is a great thing to have access too as it means if something comes up you are close enough to get a hold of you really find out that eventually you are just hanging onto them more than you actually have them in your life. But the sick mind of someone who is online all the time cannot comprehend that these people are not your friends they are people you share interests with and they don't know how to value this properly.

Chalk up the internet ruining something else.

There's so many things about friendships that I think people are misguided about nowadays.
My best way to put it is that I think you get out of friendships/relationships exactly what you put in:
I used to think I needed a bunch of friends and was willing to have anyone around even if they weren't good for me. After getting fucked over A LOT and maturing, I realized that there's very specific standards I have for a friend: Be fun to interact with, constantly be trying to work towards a better future and actually make time to talk to me every now and then. Most people can do the first option but almost no one can do the latter two. I want someone who will be progressing in life along with me so it feels like we're both helping eachother towards our goals. Most people are fine to talk to but don't want to do that and that's fine.
I also used to think applying standards to women would make me seem like an incel or picky but honestly I'm much more proud of myself now that I'm not such a simp and actually know what I want from a woman, even if it's rare to find.
It still gets lonely at times but I've become a lot more sociable and proud of myself by having those standards.
I only have one close friend but I've grown to be fine with that because he legitimately is a great part of my life and we've got eachother's backs.
Also a friendship isn't someone you agree with on every subject but someone who can respectfully disagree with you and stand by you when you disagree.

TL;DR: People are so quick to settle for ANYTHING and ANYONE nowadays that it tears them apart when those relationships don't last. In reality we should be teaching ourselves that friendships are something rare that should be protected instead of just throwing the term on every single interaction we have. Growing up with a generation of media telling us "friendship/romance is great" has fucked up a generation who doesn't know how the fuck to actually keep them. People should be more focused on the actual act of knowing the people you surround yourself with rather than the act of putting the friend/partner label of someone itself.

Also FOR THE LOVE OF FUCKING GODBEAR never get into a friendship with someone based off mutual misery/mental illness. It's fun at first but that shit will literally ruin you and make you so much worse than beforehand in the end. Eventually you will outgrow their faggotry and they'll do everything in their power to bring you back down to their level. Trust me, just don't do it. Way too many experiences with that shit to advise it.

 

[Local Fed]

People are so quick to settle for ANYTHING and ANYONE nowadays that it tears them apart when those relationships don't last.

I think that this is half of it. You're definitely right in that there is the extreme in which many will settle for anything with a pulse (I think you see this more with men these days who are desperate due to the heavily skewed dating market and market for attention in general,) but there is also the extreme where many people will toss aside others unless they deem them to be perfect almost right off of the bat. A lost of the two extremes in their own ways have been really exacerbated by social media and (for some) having near endless options.

That's the thing with relationships, platonic or otherwise: they're not perfect, they'll never be perfect, and one needs time to foster deep roots and connections rather than have the wild expectation that Rome is going to be built in a day. As you mentioned in your post, you're not going to agree with people 100% on everything. That's perfectly fine as long as you have core values that align (at least if you're trying to have a relationship that has much depth.) The problem though, as I go back to the final sentence of my first paragraph, is that in such an interconnected age of instant gratification with near limitless options it's going to be more difficult for people to tolerate and accept those growing pains as well as those flaws/differences (depending on one's perspective) in others who they wish to maintain a closeness with.

In our great-grandparents' day they had few toys, generally very basic and hard to replace. They would value them, try to preserve and take care of them and figure out how to maximize their use in the process. Now everything is plastic shit from China that people look at as easily replaceable (because it generally is) and can be found at any Walmart around, two for $5, the dollars not having the value they did a century ago. Maybe one can argue that it's good now because they're more accessible and more people can have them. Are they valued as much though? Should they even be, considering what they are? I mean it's a toy, not a person, but you get what I mean (if I'm even making sense.)

Not meant to be blackpilling or redpilling or any other kind of pilling, just my sleepy thoughts on it.

 

[(((I am NOT a jew)))]

In our great-grandparents' day they had few toys, generally very basic and hard to replace. They would value them, try to preserve and take care of them and figure out how to maximize their use in the process. Now everything is plastic shit from China that people look at as easily replaceable (because it generally is) and can be found at any Walmart around, two for $5, the dollars not having the value they did a century ago. Maybe one can argue that it's good now because they're more accessible and more people can have them. Are they valued as much though? Should they even be, considering what they are? I mean it's a toy, not a person, but you get what I mean (if I'm even making sense.)

Not meant to be blackpilling or redpilling or any other kind of pilling, just my sleepy thoughts on it.

Nah you make complete sense to me.
Well that's the problem in general with everything. Our parents and their parents might have fucked up a lot of things, but their greatest strength was "making shit work". They held onto things and didn't dispose of them because they literally couldn't afford to (which included people).
Yeah I think women are more prone to do the "this doesn't meet my intense demands so out with thee" shit. I'm not saying we should have ridiculous standards for people, but we should know what we want. There's plenty of people I've met who are fun and have a lot in common with me. But they're not trying to improve their life and they don't want much out of life. So for me I've grown to accept that while I may enjoy these people's company sometimes, they're not what I need in the long run. That's not rejection so much as I don't want to see someone after a year and hear nothing of value has happened in their life.
Ultimately you get what you put in to anything in life: Men who will fuck anything with or without a pulse will stay pathetic simps, women who disguard friends because they don't share their newest shit take will find themselves constantly having mental breakdowns about how lonely they are. It's shitty to think but at the end they lose out more than anyone.
I might not have many people on my side but I know how to have proper judgement, and if I've got that I'm pretty much set.

 

[PointOfNoReturnPoint]

@(((I am NOT a jew))) I agree on your points for the most part. You made the point of friends have to sharpen friends and while that is your priority I don't think that has to happen. When you have friends you are the sum of your parts but you don't have to be looking at them that way or utilizing them like that. The most important part is they never stagnate. I had that issue sort of myself at one point but eventually lifed ironed out and I was able to go forwards. The person I know is still basically a 16 year old in a 30 year olds body. Thats painful to watch on how much they are missing out of and how arrested their development is.

Why would I want that type of person in my life nevermind many people? That shit makes no sense. This is a case of quality over quantity but so many people cannot understand why that is.

 

[Niggs Monaghan]

I used to think the status quo stuff about black people and policing until I actually learned the stats and numbers and learned more about history. Now I know divestment from Blackistan is the only way to go.
I used to think the status quo stuff about trannies until it really hit me that it's all delusion and it makes sense that trannies seem so insane, because the very premise of "I'm actually the opposite gender" is... insane!

In general I used to think most people were logical and could be reasoned with and most people act in good faith, and the past 5 years has shown me otherwise.

 

[Fougaro]

I used to believe in the superiority of the PC Herrenrasse and even advocated for The PC Gamer's Burden. But with the absolute state of gayming in this day and age, I find myself questioning my believes.

The Eternal Console Peasant still deserves to eat shit, because such are the wages of console peasantry.

 

[(((I am NOT a jew)))]

@(((I am NOT a jew))) I agree on your points for the most part. You made the point of friends have to sharpen friends and while that is your priority I don't think that has to happen. When you have friends you are the sum of your parts but you don't have to be looking at them that way or utilizing them like that. The most important part is they never stagnate. I had that issue sort of myself at one point but eventually lifed ironed out and I was able to go forwards. The person I know is still basically a 16 year old in a 30 year olds body. Thats painful to watch on how much they are missing out of and how arrested their development is.

Why would I want that type of person in my life nevermind many people? That shit makes no sense. This is a case of quality over quantity but so many people cannot understand why that is.

I think that's what I'm getting at. I'm not saying be a sociopath and look at people as pet projects to fix. I just mean if you're say... trying to work in an artistic field, hanging around a bunch of stoners who say they want to write/make films but never do anything to improve their lot in life isn't going to give you that drive to do better. When you're around people that are at least trying to get their shit together or who have this lust for life, it will have insane benefits for you, at least in my experience.

 

[PointOfNoReturnPoint]

I think that's what I'm getting at. I'm not saying be a sociopath and look at people as pet projects to fix. I just mean if you're say... trying to work in an artistic field, hanging around a bunch of stoners who say they want to write/make films but never do anything to improve their lot in life isn't going to give you that drive to do better. When you're around people that are at least trying to get their shit together or who have this lust for life, it will have insane benefits for you, at least in my experience.

We have the same view's for slightly different reasons. Still on each others level though.

 

[(((I am NOT a jew)))]

We have the same view's for slightly different reasons. Still on each others level though.

If you don't mind me asking, what are the different reasons? I'm not asking to be confrontational but I'm interested.

 

[PointOfNoReturnPoint]

If you don't mind me asking, what are the different reasons? I'm not asking to be confrontational but I'm interested.

I should have said experiences more than reasons. Thats what lead to the same views but for different reasons.

 

[Kiwi Farms Lurker]

I used to believe in a thing called love (Just listen to the rhythm of my heart)

Man, it's been 20 years already?