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Homeland Security Secretary Kristi Noem incorrectly defined habeas corpus during a recent congressional hearing, augmenting serious doubts that top White House administration officials understand and are willing to respect the rule of law and legal rights of civilians on U.S. soil.

Indeed, Noem oversees the U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement, which has been “forcibly disappearing” undocumented immigrants, international students and permanent residents off the streets. ICE officers frequently wear masks, which could help them avoid accountability for tactics like warrantless arrests, “knock and arrests” and smashing car windows.

In practice, ICE operates with relatively little oversight, but in principle, it is accountable to the federal government and has been subject to extensive civil litigation in the courts.

Yes, ICE is deeply flawed, but there is a real risk of something far worse.

Over the past few months, Erik Prince, former head of the private military company Blackwater (now known by the name Constellis), has pitched multiple proposals to the White House to help with mass deportations. Prince has argued that achieving President Trump’s aggressive deportation goals will require the government to “supplement” ICE’s capabilities. According to one of his proposals, a new Prince company, 2USV, would train and deploy an army of as many as 100,000 armed and deputized citizens.


The administration has not yet decided to implement the plan, though Trump said he “wouldn’t be opposed to it, necessarily.” As academic experts on non-state armed groups like militias and on immigration, we are alarmed at this possibility.

This is because scholarly research on the type of group Prince would mobilize suggests three key patterns. First, these groups are often tasked with committing human rights violations in pursuit of the government’s political goals. Second, the current domestic political environment in the U.S. is conducive to their formation. Lastly, employing groups like this would allow federal government officials — including the president ◊ to evade accountability for illegal or inhumane tactics.

Prince’s proposed “army” would be a “pro-government militia,” which the academic literature defines as an organized, armed group that is government-sponsored and not part of regular security forces.

Because these groups can be kept at arms’ length from political elites, research shows that many governments around the world use these militias to “evade accountability for strategically useful violence.” Governments shift blame to such militias to retain deniability in the face of domestic pressures or international condemnation. For this reason, they are associated with significant reductions in a country’s respect for human rights, as seen in other countries throughout history, including Serbia, Argentina and Chile.

The Serbian nationalist “Tigers” committed numerous war crimes in Bosnia and Croatia in the 1990s, but Serbian Security Service officials clearly linked to the group’s operations were acquitted on all charges by the International Tribunal for Former Yugoslavia. That was because it could not be “proven beyond a reasonable doubt” that they “planned or organized the crimes.”

Other militias have conducted disappearances, assassinations and torture so that the government could keep its hands “clean,” as during Operation Condor in the 1970s in Argentina and in connection with the Sept. 11, 1973, coup in Chile.


Paramilitaries are often thought of as characteristic of dictatorships, but research shows that informal pro-government militias tend to emerge in “weak” democracies where leaders are navigating fragile institutions of accountability. “Strong” democracies usually prevent these groups from emerging because they have more robust constraints on the executive branch and corruption is harder to hide from the public.

The troubling fact is that Trump’s attacks on American political institutions and independent media integrity have eroded U.S. democracy.

One metric used by political scientists to measure regime types is the Polity score, which ranges from -10 (very autocratic, such as North Korea) to 10 (very democratic, such as Sweden). As of 2020, the U.S. had been downgraded to a 5, putting it in the category of “weak democracy.”

What does this mean for the future of U.S. immigration enforcement?

Expanded efforts through shady paramilitary groups is becoming surprisingly possible in the U.S., and the conditions are ripe for this proposed army to commit human rights abuses. It’s worth remembering that Prince’s former company Blackwater was involved in human rights abuses in the past, including a massacre of at least 14 Iraqi civilians, whose perpetrators were pardoned by Trump in 2020.

The administration is already relying on dubious means to rush deportation processes while the courts try to slow them down. Consequently, the Department of Homeland Security is already choosing to ignore court rulings with some operations, like one recent deportation of migrants to South Sudan. Their willingness to violate the rule of law is captured by former acting ICE Director Tom Homan’s statement: “I don’t care what judges think.”

Skeptics may argue that the U.S. is unique, that these abuses couldn’t happen here, or that American electoral institutions and the free press can still hold policymakers accountable for deeds of private contractors.

But democratic institutions in the U.S. are undoubtedly disintegrating. The press can only hold leaders accountable if it is believed, and current trust in the press is at an all-time low.

It may be that Prince’s private army proposal will never be accepted. It may be that continued deportation efforts are challenged in courts and the administration will begin to abide by substantive rulings against it. It is possible future immigration policy will be more humane.

But for now, the political incentives exist for the unprecedented use of pro-government militias on American soil. Immigrants may be the current target of increasingly reckless enforcement efforts, but repressive action by domestic paramilitaries may not stop there.

This must be prevented while mechanisms of accountability still survive.
 
If that was true you could get a $500 loan from the bank right now
I’m on 6 figures, I don’t need a $500 loan.
you’re a meatbag gentile whose only purpose is dying for Israel
@Marvin and @Catch The Rainbow are going to be very surprised at this face turn from me being one of this site’s most vocal anti-zionists.
You are actively being replaced by H-1Bs cuck. Enjoy not being able to afford groceries or a mortgage.
I don’t know who you are, I don’t know what your intentions are. If you are looking to make me upset, I don’t care. But what I do have are a very specific set of skills I acquired over a very long career. Skills that make me employable, unlike people like you. If you let this issue go, that’ll be the end of it. I won’t look for your posts, I won’t reply to you and I won’t make any more fun of you.
 
There are two militias that are the reason the US still exists in its current form dealing with internal uprisings. Benjamin Lincoln's militia he gathered together to stop Shay's Regulators from capturing the Springfield Armory unopposed (with the help of his own artillery and mortars) after the army kept screwing up, and the dirt farmers of 1st Minnesota Volunteers who are a big part of the reason the Union army could get to and regroup at Gettysburg, and the reason the north didn't lose at Gettysburg. In a speech in 1928 president Coolidge said this: "So far as human judgment can determine, Colonel Colvill and those eight companies of the First Minnesota are entitled to rank as the saviors of their country."

Militias are the best thing the US can do. Lincoln's militia are the main reason the 2nd Amendment exists.
Militias are a fundamental part of the American framework and in practice serve as a check on government overreach and foreign invasion. In practice the more well organized a militia is the more paranoid they seem to be and i would doubt they would cooperate with fed as they would rightful fear them getting squashed after they server their purpose.
There is also the anti Pinkerton law still on the books from 1893 that prevents the Government from hiring armed " quasi militant" organizations

Most likely if something like this happens you will see the " civilians " being deputized federally will just be local police officers with new added federal powers. Powers they most certainly will not want to give up.
 
You’ll try. And be shot.
This will just give us cassis belli to start killing, consider your next words wisely

That’s funny because the military specifically tells it’s members NOT to join a militia, and if you do you’ll be DDd and sent to prison.
You retard, there's no regulation preventing someone from joining a militia after military service
 
Are you selectively reading at this point or are you simply just too stupid to understand what AFTER military service means?
Are you in the military? Have you even gone through enlistment? Or are you just making shit up to satisfy your headcanon. On day 1 they tell you specifically to NOT join a militia during OR after service for the purpose of preventing extremism. It’s on the same level as being a terrorist in their eyes. Joining a militia breaks your oath.
 
Are you in the military? Have you even gone through enlistment? Or are you just making shit up to satisfy your headcanon. On day 1 they tell you specifically to NOT join a militia during OR after service for the purpose of preventing extremism. It’s on the same level as being a terrorist in their eyes.
I have and there is no law preventing entering a militia after service. Your double digit IQ is confusing new legislation preventing ACTIVE members from joining militias
 
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I have and there is no law preventing entering a militia after service. Your double digit IQ is confusing new legislation preventing ACTIVE members from joining militias
Meal team 6 isn’t a real branch of the military. You were lied to. It’s been in the books like this since Obunga.
 
Also, to identify fellow farmers, carry a kiwi. An actual, fresh kiwi.
What about an actual kiwi bird? A tactical kiwi bird?


Deploying friend!
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Nods. That's funny, sort of lax way you go about it, wanting to use a nice "in" word to portray some familiarity you have with being in the scene - like fakers who like to use the word "ink". I've got nods and I've got ink, are you impressed yet?

You know I'd look forward to having a legitimate chance at taking a shot. I've shot men before; it would be nice to have an easier justification like the one you're offering up. Just think, an army of 100,000 would need to attract about 1 in 2,000 men, which would be about right to find the right percentage of psychopaths who'd get off on it. And all of them have internet histories like yours, social media full of this chest thumping shit.

Hopefully, it will be you. I won't hesitate, but I know you will. kiss kiss. Perhaps I'm a psychopath too, and I've put a little more thought into it than you, so as I said originally: Sure, you go right on ahead.
Oh yeah? Fight me at 4210 Wolfetown Road Cherokee, NC. I might go to the hospital, but you'll go to the morgue!
 
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Are you in the military? Have you even gone through enlistment? Or are you just making shit up to satisfy your headcanon. On day 1 they tell you specifically to NOT join a militia during OR after service for the purpose of preventing extremism. It’s on the same level as being a terrorist in their eyes. Joining a militia breaks your oath.

Please show us in the enlistment papers or oath of office for commissioned officers where you are prohibited from the 1st Amendment right of lawful assembly after being discharged from military service.
 
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Please show us in the enlistment papers or oath of office for commissioned officers where you are prohibited from the 1st Amendment right of lawful assembly after being discharged from military service.
Are you going to quote more Cornell at me?
If you want to legally join a militia join your state’s guard. Otherwise you’ll be deemed an insurgent and bombed to kingdom come given the opportunity.
 
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Are you going to quote more Cornell at me?
If you want to legally join a militia join your state’s guard. Otherwise you’ll be deemed an insurgent and bombed to kingdom come given the opportunity.

Um, I tried to open the pdf for the AR 600-20 official policy and I found this.

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Um, I tried to open the pdf for the AR 600-20 official policy and I found this.

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That happens all the time. What you should look at is this.
Participation in extremist organizations and activities is inconsistent with the responsibilities of military service, and is punishable though the full range of statutory and regulatory sanctions, both criminal (UCMJ), and administrative.
 
That happens all the time. What you should look at is this.

I am not a lawyer but if you leave the military and join a terrorist group, I am pretty sure you will be subject to arrest by civilian law enforcement and will be taken to a civilian court. You will no longer be under the jurisdiction of UCMJ.
 
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