Thoughts about Avatar The Last Airbender?

I remember watching Korra and somehow enjoying some bits like book 2. I really liked book 3, but then book 4 shitted the bed.
Now for Aang, I remember watching as a kid, but my memories were fuzy and I never revisited. But I did read the sequel comics until I got bored and stopped.
I think for anyone who doesn't have access to anime, it is basically ok, but for those who had watched previously it doesn't leave much impact. I still remember watching Samurai Seven and how the end impacted me, but it is just blurs for avatar, which was at the same time.
I really enjoyed the setting of Korra but they never did much with it, such a cool concept...
 
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A:TLA was my shit when I was younger. The wave of popularity it's (and Korra) gotten with normies over the past couple of years kinda soured my view of it a little but that doesn't constitute the quality of the series as a whole.

Is it the best show ever? Well, duh. No, it isn't. But it has its reasons for managing to maintain its relevance as long as it has and for resonating with audiences. That's why we remember shit like Zuko's redemption arc, Uncle Iroh, etc. Even with the filler episodes, the show had moments where it gave the audience room to breathe as we just enjoy the setting and characters as they are.
 
The show made me question why they had Korra run it’s course for so long. Though, I did like the episode of the series where Sokka gave Yue the final send off that she deserved:

 
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It was probably the last Nicktoon I watched. The last show I got into was iCarly. I didn't start watching it until shortly before Sozin's Comet and fell in love with it. The characters, the story, the animation. I think Zuko was one of the best redemption arcs in animation history. We don't talk about Korra.

An interesting fact is that Zuko was voiced by Dante Basco. Katara is voiced by Mae Whitman. Both Basco and Whitman were in American Dragon Jake Long playing jake Long and Rose respectfully. Jake and breath fire and turn into a dragon and he was a grandpa is trains him. Rose was hunting the dragons as it was her destiny to avenge her parents. Both shows started in 2005.
 
ATLA is a very lightning in the bottle kind of show. Loveable cast, original world and interesting magic system with a love for the cultures that inspired it.

Mike and Bryan drop all of this in Korra because prohibition era cool.
Aaron Ehasz, who went to work on Dragon Prince, ended up just... doing ATLA again.

Spirit bending is a retarded asspull and season 1 meanders a lot, but I otherwise think its in a lot of top 3's for best western cartoons.
 
Great show when I was a kid. My younger brothers watched and enjoyed it recently so I rewatched it with them. It is kids show, there's nothing really there for me as an adult; but it was a pleasant enough thing to sit through.
 
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I wonder why those shows attract those certain type of fans. It kind of soured my opinion of Avatar/LOK as the years have gone by. Quite frankly, I didn't really like the romantic elements. It seemed kind of awkward or hamfisted. Maybe I'm just someone who doesn't like/care about romance and shipping in the media I watch.
Zuko attracted the shippers. The dude was considered really hot and he had the redemption thing going for him, which many women gravitate towards because they have the “I can fix him” mentality.
 
It's a perfectly good piece of media that, unfortunately, everyone and their mother has chosen to emulate. It was, at one point, a unique and very compelling piece of media, lightning in a bottle that nobody has been able to actually create a decent successor to. Now, there's more Avatar clones than you can shake a stick at and I feel like that's negatively impacted the show somewhat if you go back and watch it all now.
I'm sure Aaron was the engine in the writing team. Bryke are always a pair of retards, and could actually make damage to ATLA without Eschasz's supervision.
Aaron was definitely the lynchpin for making the writing work, but without having Bryke's ideas to work with his output isn't really much better. He's the lead writer on that Dragon Prince show and it's on par with Korra more often than not when it comes to being pretty terribly written.
I really liked book 3
It's the most watchable of the seasons because they brought in some additional writers. I actually skipped straight to Book 3 and found it to be a mostly enjoyable if not quite as good follow up to the original show. Unlike Avatar, I really felt like the more mature tone was hamstrung by the kid-friendly censorship though. It would have probably been an amazing Wuxia series if the kid-gloves were able to come off.
Mike and Bryan drop all of this in Korra because prohibition era cool.
Aaron Ehasz, who went to work on Dragon Prince, ended up just... doing ATLA again.
Honestly 1920s Hong Kong is far from a terrible idea, especially if you really wanted to move the setting along into the future. But they sanded off all the mysticism, magic, and mystique of the setting in the process. A smarter show probably would have commented on how the technological progression of the setting and the slow erosion of the magic and beauty of the world has caused a spiritual schism that needed to be addressed, but when they did that we got 'The Dark Avatar' and boy howdy was that a mistake.

Dragon Prince is definitely a shameless attempt to be 'Avatar, again' but it's worse in almost every way. It has a shittier setting, a healthy helping of 'modern politics' and an absolutely fucked sense of morality that really makes me concerned about Aaron's way of looking at the world. I could go on for hours about that, but this isn't a Dragon Prince thread, so I'll restrain my autism.
 
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Why wouldn't it? Stories are stories-- doesn't matter where they come from.

To be clear, I'm not saying western animation can't be just as good (or better) than the greatest anime (I would definitely put Watership Down and The Last Unicorn above most anime--maybe even all--anime movies I've ever seen)... I just don't think ATLA itself succeeds in topping anything other than mid-tier shonen.
 
I just don't think ATLA itself succeeds in topping anything other than mid-tier shonen.
I haven't seen a good anime since Avatar was on the air. I don't believe they're made anymore. There's certainly not a lot of talk on these forums about anime and I think we're all pretty hip to what's happening.
 
I haven't seen a good anime since Avatar was on the air. I don't believe they're made anymore. There's certainly not a lot of talk on these forums about anime and I think we're all pretty hip to what's happening.
Well, yeah, anime pretty much has sucked since 2010 or so.

But then, I feel the same about western animation. All the best stuff was from the 80s and 90s.
 
Last time I saw it I was a little kid seeing on the dvds with my older brother. It was pretty solid and got better episode by episode. It was one of those shows everyone had to go and see at least once. Didn't care, like, or ever could get into Kora.
Just rewatched Avatar again not to long ago and it held up very well. Almost every character had great level of depth even the ones that surprisingly you'd wouldn't expect. The characters and story was really good. Most of the jokes held up well. Some of them didn't (Sokka getting high on cactus juice) while others were even more funnier now (Uncle Iroh mistaken Smellerbee's sexual orientation).

Some things didn't held up:
-I didn't like how in the northern airtemple episode they treated Aang being upset at how the new occupants desecrating the place like a kid that's upset over seeing his old home being change by the people that just moved in rather than a kid seeing a foreign group of people destroying parts of a monastery of his genocided people once held. Sure they were looking for a home and fought the fire nation at the end but it still leaves a somewhat bad taste in your mouth.
-After some you explain what Zuko's mom was like in the comics that changes a whole lot of Zuko's "I want my mommy" issues. Azula is a lot more sympathetic for how she feels about her mom now If you accept that the comics where she abandoned her kids without a second thought. The flashback sequences in Zuko alone is forever damaged because of those.
-While not the show's fault but getting Mark Hamill to voice FireLord Ozai using his regular voice now in hindsight makes me only hear grumpy old Luke from TLJ every time the fire lord speaks.
-Jet's death was really dumb, I know it's a kid's show but they could've made it more convincing.

Some things did held up:
-Most of the humor still has it's charm.
-The voice acting, music and animation was as good as ever.
-Sokka is still the best character in the show.
-Uncle Iroh is still the most inspiring character on the show.
-The fight scenes still hold up
-The show is still emotionally compelling as ever.
-The world building is handled in in a very smart manner and is one of the best parts of the show.
-The spirits are still the most coolest and interesting part of the show (to bad Kora ruined them).


But Some things did surpassed what I remember as a kid and even managed to caught me off guard.
-The show does a phenomenal job with it's dialogue and using exposition wisely, There is no large unnatural exposition dumps and what we learn about the world and characters is only ever reveal gradually.
-All the major recurring characters are given a level of depth even if it's somewhat subtle. For example despite being an abusive father, Ozai still defended Zuko's life to the point of killing his own dad for his son.
-Zuko was never at any point in the series shown to be an unsympathetic villain. He is always somewhat a hero despite being somewhat misguided. In the show his redemption is only shown to be a matter of when is he going to turn and join Aang not if.
The worse he's ever shown was when he terrorized the southern water tribe and Kiyoshi island trying to get Aang.
-Sokka starts of as a serious fun hating character at the beginning and only becomes the goofy fun loving person once he begins to like Aang.
-Iroh's arch was set up a lot earlier than expect near the beginning in season 1. Iroh only ever helps Zuko against the avatar twice. The first time a duel fire attack against Aang in the second episode, and the second by sneaking Zuko abord Admiral Zhao's ship and then off to the north pole in the north watertribe arch. The later was probably more of a 4d chess move to get closer to Admiral Zhao to see what he's doing. Throughout the series Uncle Iroh has tried repeatly to get Zuko to be less obsessed of the Avatar.
-Aang thinking outside the box in order to defeat Fire Lord Ozai was hinted at all the way back at the fifth episode. King Bumi: "You must master the four elements and confront the Fire Lord, and when you do...I hope you will think like a mad genius!"
- I used to think the first season was the weakest because it didn't feature Toph but now I think the first two were the strongest and the third was somewhat of a directionless slog to get through during it's first half.
- The Fire nation isn't really based on Japan. The only similarities between the two are that they are an archipelago with rivers and volcanos, they industialized before their continental counter parts and they fight a war kinda but not really like the second sino japanese war with the earth kingdom but that war has also just as much in common with the hundred years war between France and England.
-The time constants on each episode of being 22 minutes long is both a blessing and a curse for the show. Some episodes feel quick and concise and doesn't drag, While others like the north WaterTribe arc feels rushed and come across like a plot summary clip show.
 
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