Thoughts on blatant sexism & discrimination when renting? - Includes anecdote!

[We Are The Witches]

I think the following powerlevel is acceptable: today I saw an ad about a place that was being rented, and was pinned to one of those cork-boards at a university (so it was approved by the administration). The rent specified that it only wanted & allowed females, so this got me thinking about the legality of it, as well as the reasoning & justifications.

Now, when it comes to the country I'm in, it's very clear that such discrimination is blatantly anticonstitutional, and in regards to the specific laws about renting, it's directed to comply with the civil code, which in turn, directs to be compliant with the law, public order, etc.

On that end is clear to me, but then I went online and saw opinions about it, as well as other anecdotes, and from that, it seems like this practice (discriminating against males when renting) is pretty ubiquitous.

Some people had comments, such as: "my place, my rules, I can do whatever the fuck I want", which in my opinion is overwhelmingly retarded. You can do what you want as long as it's legal, but if it involves behaviour such as unjustified discrimination, then it goes against the order of society; if it was for them, this country would be a jungle where unfairness & chaos ruled the nation.

Other comments involved the fact that regardless what's written on the ad, ultimately, the owner is the one who can decide who to accept or not, and their reasoning may be biased, but since you cannot read their minds you won't likely prove it.
However, the fact that it's adevrtised as such is what I see a problem with, that it's evidently & clearly discriminatory in nature, that is the clause/requirement that states that it only accepts people of a certain group, not to mention the moral implications.

Lastly, some people argued that girls in general are more tidy and clean, but this was contended against by others who claimed the opposite, and that also aligns with my experience in some cases. But I've seen both, males & females that are clean, and also that are gross; their sex wasn't a contributing factor.
Regardless though, even when poisoned by prejudice by one's unfortunate circumstances, it's obviously that such generalizations (girls are gross/boys are gross), don't have to translate to the individual in front of you, and turning them down by such "reasoning" is simply closed-minded and bigoted behaviour.

What are your thoughts?

 

[I'm Retarded?]

men are sanctioned targets of discrimination, so retards with a chip on their shoulder feel emboldened to act in socially defiant ways like it's going to change something. legality, social cost, or even the lack of a coherent goal for that change are all secondary concerns for those people. some people just want to believe they're doing something Good and Just by fighting "the power" but they also don't want to put more thought or effort into it than that.

Lastly, some people argued that girls in general are more tidy and clean, but this was contended against by others who claimed the opposite, and that also aligns with my experience in some cases. But I've seen both, males & females that are clean, and also that are gross; their sex wasn't a contributing factor.

same. I'm a pretty tidy dude personally, my male friends kind of span the spectrum. my mom is a neat freak and both my exes were disgusting slobs. it depends a whole lot more on upbringing than sex.

Regardless though, even when poisoned by prejudice by one's unfortunate circumstances, it's obviously that such generalizations (girls are gross/boys are gross), don't have to translate to the individual in front of you, and turning them down by such "reasoning" is simply closed-minded and bigoted behaviour.

agreed. and if cleanliness were the real issue at hand, there are a lot more strategies frequently employed by landlords to enforce that sort of thing, such as unit inspections, lease stipulations and the like, which are obviously more directly effective than gender discrimination. these are all just half-baked justifications invented after the fact to make their knee-jerk prejudice sound legitimate.

 

[Character from a movie]

If this matter lives rent-free in your head (unlike the tenants in those places, who do have to pay rent), and if it's an act of discrimination and anticonstitutional as you say it is, maybe you can do something about it? You could try suing the owner of those apartments for sexism or some shit. Create a petition in change.org with something like "Apartment owner Kikel McShekels only leases to women because he thinks boys have cooties" and ask people to sign.

Now let's say the same place you saw on the ad only wanted and allowed German students but not French students because, as we all know, the average Frenchman has more crabs in his body than in the Christmas Island. That's discrimination too, right?

 

[isalaide]

Are the other tenants female, and specifying they will only consider female applicants?

 

[Irregardless]

Personally I don't really give af when it comes to stuff like this, as this usually signals the kind of person I wouldn't want to be around anyway, but also I do think there is a benefit to allowing women their own autonomy and ability to gain responsibility rather than being passed from man to man in their life (Father -> ex bf -> ex bf -> husband), the point where I would disagree with and be against is if it was for some specific gender/race/etc at a reduced cost.

 

[BPD Gunt Rider]

People should have the right to rent to whoever they want.

That being said, if the reason is "Women are more tidy and clean.", that's simp bullshit. With my history of women, that's outright laughable.

 

[The Ugly One]

I support legalizing discrimination, but if it's illegal, it should be illegal for everyone. The reason discrimination against white males is allowed is there's no legal infrastructure in place to sue on our behalf. It's not actually legal.

 

[vomitusdeux]

Sexism belongs only on the internet where it is funny.

 

[Tims]

Hmmm.... Only allowing woman to rent apartments seems very suspect to me especially if the renter is a dude, then again it could always be one of those cult scenarios ran by a mysterious Chilean man.

In the distance... Woman are dogs, YAAA

 

[Tismguide]

I haven't fact checked this and may be full of shit, and may live in a different country than you etc, but I remember this being explained to me that you have significantly more leeway to discriminate when selecting roommates for shared living than when renting an entire unit where you don't share living space.

 

[We Are The Witches]

and if cleanliness were the real issue at hand, there are a lot more strategies frequently employed by landlords to enforce that sort of thing, such as unit inspections, lease stipulations and the like, which are obviously more directly effective than gender discrimination. these are all just half-baked justifications invented after the fact to make their knee-jerk prejudice sound legitimate.

I agree.

At one placed I worked, it was a thing that the women's bathroom was compared to a pigsty.

Now let's say the same place you saw on the ad only wanted and allowed German students but not French students because, as we all know, the average Frenchman has more crabs in his body than in the Christmas Island. That's discrimination too, right?

Yes.

Are the other tenants female, and specifying they will only consider female applicants?

For this case it wasn't specified, but it appears that like mentioned, this practice is normal around my country or certain parts of it, which includes cases where there are no other tenants.

But yes, they only allowed females to rent.

 

[FrancineCansMcGee]

Here's what you should do:

1. Be a man.
2. Get an apartment with extra rooms.
3. Post an ad saying you will only rent them to women.
4. Laugh.

 

[Chongqing]

Only allowing woman to rent apartments seems very suspect to me

It seems legit to me if it's a woman looking for roommates less likely to commit rape. But if it's someone renting a space where they don't live, that's weird.

 

[David Brown]

Some people had comments, such as: "my place, my rules, I can do whatever the fuck I want", which in my opinion is overwhelmingly retarded.

Shut the fuck up. If it's illegal to decide what to do with your own property, it's the law that's wrong. If you have a lock on your door you believe in discrimination.

 

[Insuficiencia renal]

who cares? i don't think it is a big deal

 

[Gog & Magog]

Shut the fuck up. If it's illegal to decide what to do with your own property, it's the law that's wrong. If you have a lock on your door you believe in discrimination.

A fragmented landscape full of businesses and properties that don't serve your kind would benefit you how?

 

[Peaches the Wonder Cat]

Can you claim to be trans to get the room, and then 'detrans' once on the lease?

 

[We Are The Witches]

Shut the fuck up. If it's illegal to decide what to do with your own property, it's the law that's wrong. If you have a lock on your door you believe in discrimination.

The lock on your door is a poor analogy and not applicable here.

You can invite who you want to your property and defend it in certain ways, but here we're dealing with the scope of renting, which has specific laws in place for it in order to prevent unfairness and "blanket discrimination" amongst other things (such as discriminating due to race, ethnicity, sex, etc).

 

[David Brown]

You can invite who you want to your property and defend it in certain ways, but here we're dealing with the scope of renting, which has specific laws in place for it in order to prevent unfairness and "blanket discrimination" amongst other things (such as discriminating due to race, ethnicity, sex, etc).

Discrimination is good.

A fragmented landscape full of businesses and properties that don't serve your kind would benefit you how?

Being forced to rent to hordes of unwashed third world apes, section 8 drug addicts and other undesirables would benefit you how?

 

[Dysnomia]

The rent specified that it only wanted & allowed females, so this got me thinking about the legality of it, as well as the reasoning & justifications.

Of course when you specify woman in current year that means you will get troons applying too. And I'm sure a few troons have applied for that rental you saw posted. Now if it's an apartment that the tenant will be living in themselves I don't see why their sex is an issue. Even if the owner lives in the same building it seems ridiculous.

For this case it wasn't specified, but it appears that like mentioned, this practice is normal around my country or certain parts of it, which includes cases where there are no other tenants.

But yes, they only allowed females to rent.

If it's only women housemates then they may just be uncomfortable with renting to men. Unless you are a woman you may not fully understand. It's not the same as sharing an apartment with your brother. This is someone you don't know. Women usually feel safer around other women. It sucks if there's a shortage of housing and you really need to find a place. But think about the logistics from a woman's point of view.

Lastly, some people argued that girls in general are more tidy and clean, but this was contended against by others who claimed the opposite, and that also aligns with my experience in some cases. But I've seen both, males & females that are clean, and also that are gross; their sex wasn't a contributing factor.

In my experience sex has little to do with how clean you are. A filthy slob is a filthy slob. It has more to do with how you were raised and how much of a lazy fuck you are.