Thoughts on Stephen King?

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This is sort of a divergent opinion I'm aware but I think Lovecraft's extremely weird way of writing came from the fact that he was a complete nervous wreck. Like we all know he's RAYCISS but dude was literally afraid of fucking everything. Everything.

No, you've totally grasped Lovecraft. He was a man who was literally terrified by all of existence. Other than Kierkegaard, nobody else was as horrified by the sheer fact of existence as Lovecraft.

And that's why I love Lovecraft. Lovecraft was right, you know.

Concerning Stephen King's stories, I liked the following:
  • It
  • Pet Sematary
  • Night Shift
  • 11/22/63
I plan to read The Institute (and maybe Different Seasons) in the future. I have found that I like his older stuff more than his newer stuff. For example, Dreamcatcher was atrocious, and Insomnia and Bazaar of Bad Dreams were both mediocre at best. However, I didn't like some of the older stuff like 'Salem's Lot and The Tommyknockers.

I do not like King's Democrat politics at all. For example, I do not agree with his stances on matters such as gun control and his disgust with Donald Trump. I find it ironic that King is so much for gun control, yet has a book series entitled "The Gunslinger". I say this because you would think anti-firearm people would not want to publish stories where the main protagonist is using a firearm.

I actually recommend Hearts in Atlantis. Nobody else seems to like it, though.
 
Have you seen the trailer for The Outsider? They Black washed Holly. The Mr Mercedes series they did was alright, they nailed the casting on that one.

They technically did the same thing for Abra in Doctor Sleep, except there it didn't really matter or change much, but Holly is a more distinctive character and it sticks out like a sore thumb.

It just depends when it comes to that, but in the case of the Outsider it's disappointing and I hate how artificial it is, can't have a piece of media with a primarily white cast in today's world, oh no.
 
I find it ironic that King is so much for gun control, yet has a book series entitled "The Gunslinger". I say this because you would think anti-firearm people would not want to publish stories where the main protagonist is using a firearm.

I'm neither a gun guy nor a gun control guy so perhaps I'm not qualified to speak on this issue, but even if you are the most foaming-at-the-mouth pro-gun human being who owns 600+ firearms with even more attachments along with crates and crates of ammunition covered in dust because you haven't touched them in years and you masturbate furiously to Forgotten Weapons this arguement is still fucking stupid.

Like, dude carries his guns because he lives in an inherently hostile world. Not like our shithouse world where there's a mugger around every corner, but there's mutants and robots and dark wizards and cursed things and sometimes places just fuck your technology right up and clocks tick backwards.

And, crucially, the title of Gunslinger made him a law enforcer in the dead nation he came from. Which means, probably even in his society, gun control was a thing since only figures of authority were allowed to carry them.

I hate Twitter sperging and annoying gun control shit too dude, but man. Please get a better defense for your shooting irons than this one.
 
He was probably a high functioning schizophrenic or suffered from some other form of delusional illness. There are actually a lot of highly intelligent people who accomplish amazing feats of human ingenuity while being mad for lack of a better term Howard Hughs was another, dude sat naked in his own personal theater pissing in bottles and shitting on newspapers in the corner, but he was a testament to modern aviation.

As a matter of fact, his anal writing style might have been from him unironically being autistic, his tick was using really big and obscure words.
There are three major mental illnesses associated with autism: depression, ADHD, and anxiety. So maybe.

As for the overlap between schizophrenics and geniuses, I believe I know why this is. The dopamine hypothesis that was the basis of mainstream treatment of schizophrenia for many years was partially true but incomplete; that is, it was believed that the problem was excess levels of the neurotransmitter dopamine being released in the brain, and the treatment was anti-psychotic drugs to lower dopamine levels. While it's true that excess release of dopamine does cause psychosis and hallucinations, it didn't explain the "negative symptoms" such as flat affect. It was eventually discovered that in schizophrenics, the process of converting glutamate (an amino acid and excitory neurotransmitter) to GABA (an inhibitory neurotransmitter) was defective. The dopaminergic neurons were being overstimulated.

Now consider what these neurotransmitters actually do: dopamine is associated with rewards such as food, sex, learning, and drugs (in fact, stimulants release a flood of dopamine, which is why stimulant psychosis can happen). GABA helps suppress questionable outputs from neural networks as well as helping to reduce anxiety. There is a personality disorder called schizotypal personality disorder that tends to occur in people whose families have schizophrenics; essentially, it's a low-grade form of schizophrenia with mostly negative symptoms and few or no positive symptoms (note that in this context, "positive symptom" means the presence of something abnormal, such as delusions, and "negative symptom" means the absence of something normal, such as normal social interaction). Schizotypals are eccentric, asocial, heavily introverted people with a strong tendency to chronic maladaptive daydreaming: they tend to spend a lot of their time engrossed in fantasies that they share with few or no other people, which can become incredibly elaborate. They don't seem to need other people because they generate their own internal reward stimuli, generating dopamine through the activities of their own constantly active minds. Meanwhile, the low GABA prevents unusual interpretations of ambiguous internal and external stimuli from being suppressed; this can be a spur to creativity and novel solutions to problems.

Essentially, then, the brain of a highly intelligent schizophrenic is constantly active, capable of coming to highly unusual conclusions, and needs no validation from others. With such a brilliant mind, working all the time, freed from the constraints of conventional world views or the need to socialize, is it any wonder that such people have the potential to be unbelievably brilliant, creative, and productive, even when they are also insane?
 
There are three major mental illnesses associated with autism: depression, ADHD, and anxiety. So maybe.

As for the overlap between schizophrenics and geniuses, I believe I know why this is. The dopamine hypothesis that was the basis of mainstream treatment of schizophrenia for many years was partially true but incomplete; that is, it was believed that the problem was excess levels of the neurotransmitter dopamine being released in the brain, and the treatment was anti-psychotic drugs to lower dopamine levels. While it's true that excess release of dopamine does cause psychosis and hallucinations, it didn't explain the "negative symptoms" such as flat affect. It was eventually discovered that in schizophrenics, the process of converting glutamate (an amino acid and excitory neurotransmitter) to GABA (an inhibitory neurotransmitter) was defective. The dopaminergic neurons were being overstimulated.

Now consider what these neurotransmitters actually do: dopamine is associated with rewards such as food, sex, learning, and drugs (in fact, stimulants release a flood of dopamine, which is why stimulant psychosis can happen). GABA helps suppress questionable outputs from neural networks as well as helping to reduce anxiety. There is a personality disorder called schizotypal personality disorder that tends to occur in people whose families have schizophrenics; essentially, it's a low-grade form of schizophrenia with mostly negative symptoms and few or no positive symptoms (note that in this context, "positive symptom" means the presence of something abnormal, such as delusions, and "negative symptom" means the absence of something normal, such as normal social interaction). Schizotypals are eccentric, asocial, heavily introverted people with a strong tendency to chronic maladaptive daydreaming: they tend to spend a lot of their time engrossed in fantasies that they share with few or no other people, which can become incredibly elaborate. They don't seem to need other people because they generate their own internal reward stimuli, generating dopamine through the activities of their own constantly active minds. Meanwhile, the low GABA prevents unusual interpretations of ambiguous internal and external stimuli from being suppressed; this can be a spur to creativity and novel solutions to problems.

Essentially, then, the brain of a highly intelligent schizophrenic is constantly active, capable of coming to highly unusual conclusions, and needs no validation from others. With such a brilliant mind, working all the time, freed from the constraints of conventional world views or the need to socialize, is it any wonder that such people have the potential to be unbelievably brilliant, creative, and productive, even when they are also insane?

That's an... interesting deduction.

(Who let the fucking neurologist in?)
 
About King's "IT": I heard that a girl was so scared of the book that she kept it in a freezer.
Read "The Mountain of Madness".
 
Essentially, then, the brain of a highly intelligent schizophrenic is constantly active, capable of coming to highly unusual conclusions, and needs no validation from others. With such a brilliant mind, working all the time, freed from the constraints of conventional world views or the need to socialize, is it any wonder that such people have the potential to be unbelievably brilliant, creative, and productive, even when they are also insane?
That describes the absolute perfect traits of a writer. Writers by nessessity must spend hours upon hours secluded from social interaction trapped in their own created worlds. So someone with this type of disorder would be especially well suited for the task. Also when you talk about GABA, I would have to take a layman guess that that is where Gabapantine gets its name.

I'd like to read (or better listen) to a story in which Alhazred's Necronomicon is an audio book.
Its performed quite well, it has several voice actors to perform different stories.
 
Its performed quite well, it has several voice actors to perform different stories.
While we're in a Lovecraft audio derail, I'd like to shamlessly plug this podcast which is halfway through series 2:
 
Also when you talk about GABA, I would have to take a layman guess that that is where Gabapantine gets its name.

I'm by no means a medical expert so I looked it up just to make sure but you're right on the money. Gabapentin has a similar molecular structure to the neurotransmitter GABA. Apparently dicking around with it is reserved for serious shit though since its mainly used to treat seizures. Though they'll also hand it out for Restless Legs Syndrome so I guess it depends on whether or not you've got a candy store clerk-type doctor.

Then again, there was that fucking hilarious black comedy train of lawsuits paid out when physicians were encouraged to prescribe the drug for shit it wasn't meant for. Its actually pretty interesting reading if you can stomach boring legal shit.


Also check out that amazingly dystopic brand name they picked for the drug. "Neurotin". Sounds like something out of, well, a Stephen King novel.
 
I'm by no means a medical expert so I looked it up just to make sure but you're right on the money. Gabapentin has a similar molecular structure to the neurotransmitter GABA. Apparently dicking around with it is reserved for serious shit though since its mainly used to treat seizures. Though they'll also hand it out for Restless Legs Syndrome so I guess it depends on whether or not you've got a candy store clerk-type doctor.

Then again, there was that fucking hilarious black comedy train of lawsuits paid out when physicians were encouraged to prescribe the drug for shit it wasn't meant for. Its actually pretty interesting reading if you can stomach boring legal shit.


Also check out that amazingly dystopic brand name they picked for the drug. "Neurotin". Sounds like something out of, well, a Stephen King novel.
Not to power level too much, but the lawsuit and over prescription of the drug is the main reason I know about it. The thing about anti-psycotic, or really any mental illness drug, is that it can either help your mental illness or give you a mental illness. Alot of the hardcore antipsycotic drugs they use for like schitzophrenia and epilepsy can cause you to develop those illnesses if you take them and dont actually have it. They have very wide area of effect side effects associated with them because they are literally messing with brain chemistry that they actually know very little about. We are still in the "lets try this and see what happens" phase of brain chemistry when it comes to drugs. This is where the "conspiracy theories" about mass shooters being on anti psycotic drugs and ambian comes from, they can literally cause a completely sane person to go absolutely insane.
 
Not to power level too much, but the lawsuit and over prescription of the drug is the main reason I know about it. The thing about anti-psycotic, or really any mental illness drug, is that it can either help your mental illness or give you a mental illness. Alot of the hardcore antipsycotic drugs they use for like schitzophrenia and epilepsy can cause you to develop those illnesses if you take them and dont actually have it. They have very wide area of effect side effects associated with them because they are literally messing with brain chemistry that they actually know very little about. We are still in the "lets try this and see what happens" phase of brain chemistry when it comes to drugs. This is where the "conspiracy theories" about mass shooters being on anti psycotic drugs and ambian comes from, they can literally cause a completely sane person to go absolutely insane.

I once angrily described anti-psychotics to a friend as "setting off depth charges in the brain and hoping you hit something" so I sympathize quite heavily with this interpretation.

I think they have to do some good, right? Like somebody has to actually have them work properly. But from where I'm standing it looks like the overwhelming majority of people do not benefit from them.
 
I once angrily described anti-psychotics to a friend as "setting off depth charges in the brain and hoping you hit something" so I sympathize quite heavily with this interpretation.

I think they have to do some good, right? Like somebody has to actually have them work properly. But from where I'm standing it looks like the overwhelming majority of people do not benefit from them.
Drugs get approved for one thing, then the manufacturer tries to broaden the market by trying to get them prescribed for various off-label uses based on various theories. Sometimes these make sense (like Reboxetine, a norepinephrine reuptake inhibitor, being prescribed for ADHD when it was developed as an antidepressant), sometimes they're more dubious. Basically a lot of inappropriate anti-psychotic prescriptions come down to Big Pharma malpractice.
 
Well I'm glad the Stephen King thread has gone interesting places.

Most anti-psychotics are just designed to knock people out. You give someone haloperidol and then they start developing extrapyrimidal symptoms which can be treated using lorazepam. And people wonder why schizophenic patients might not trust healthcare providers too much anymore.
 
He went to hell after the accident, since he became obsessed with it.

You may be right, since throughout the seventh Dark Tower book its foreshadowed over and over again that Roland is gonna be the one to go under the van and he keeps feeling the pain of the accident. Once it finally does happen though, its Jake, arguably the most likeable character (depends on how much you liked Eddie, who also dies horribly and needlessly later on) who takes the plunge.

Writers often exude ways of dealing with their experiences through their work, and I dunno if there's an article anywhere where he claims it was intentional, but it wouldn't surprise me at all if it was completely unintentional and he was somehow unconsciously acknowledging that some important part of himself died that day. Roland is a character that is borderline unlikeable and its been repeated many times that he's based on King's own negative interpretation of himself, so the whole time you're absolutely ready for Roland to take a tire to the face, so that switchup arguably confirms what you just said.

Spoiler alert. but you either cared enough to make it to and through the seventh Dark Tower book and already know this or your didn't and never will, so fuck it, I'm not spoiler-taging any of this.
 
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You may be right, since throughout the seventh Dark Tower book its foreshadowed over and over again that Roland is gonna be the one to go under the van and he keeps feeling the pain of the accident. Once it finally does happen though, its Jake, arguably the most likeable character (depends on how much you liked Eddie, who also dies horribly and needlessly later on) who takes the plunge.

Writers often exude ways of dealing with their experiences through their work, and I dunno if there's an article anywhere where he claims it was intentional, but it wouldn't surprise me at all if it was completely unintentional and he was somehow unconsciously acknowledging that some important part of himself died that day. Roland is a character that is borderline unlikeable and its been repeated many times that he's based on King's own negative interpretation of himself, so the whole time you're absolutely ready for Roland to take a tire to the face, so that switchup arguably confirms what you just said.

Spoiler alert. but you either cared enough to make it to and through the seventh Dark Tower book and already know this or your didn't and never will, so fuck it, I'm not spoiler-taging any of this.

There's some hospital show he made that also uses it, and purposely makes the guy who hit him an awful person. I'm pretty sure that was after the guy had been killed.
 
I read two Stephen King books on vacation. First book was misery and I liked it. Never saw the movie but the book was decent. A horrifying situation for sure. Next book was Gerald's Game and I was much less impressed. I'm not a fan of King and this book really illustrates why. Dean Koontz can write a book with conflicted characters who have horrible backstories without having to write detailed molestation reports, just saying. And he can get to the fucking point without going on and on about nonsense.
 
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