Thoughts on the libertarian perspective on children,cp and age of consent

[Buck Broken Chimp]

Ok so libertarians and age of consent CP memes are kind of infamous, but is there any truth to this ?

Murray Rothbard had the infamous quote

The purely free society will have a flourishing free market in children

The context to this

The parent should not have a legal obligation to feed, clothe, or educate the child, as this would infringe on the parent's rights. However, the parent does not have the right to murder or abuse the child physically. If the parent wishes to sell the rights to the child to someone else who would care for it, the free market should permit it.

Basically Rothbard's whole thing was he wanted to make an ethical system centered purely on property rights. This is a pretty flawed idea for reasoning like this.

We all know Vaush's famous argument that he doesn't think there is a logically consistent argument on CP being illegal. The reason I bring this up is because Vaush is (or at least claims to be) a libertarian more accurately a libertarian socialist (that was his twitter bio for the longest time).

Finally to the meat of this post. The argument he was alluding to but didn't make. Was that from an honest libertarian standpoint possessing and watching CP does not technically violate the NAP once it is made (obviously making it would though)

I want to say this right here right now I do not agree with this, I am not a libertarian and reasoning like this is a big reason why. If you are a libertarian how can you defend this ?

But what do you think about the libertarian perspective on children,cp and age of consent ?

 

[KingNothing]

in b4 lock, just saying

 

[Buck Broken Chimp]

in b4 lock, just saying

what would get this thread locked ?

My post or the potential replies.

 

[HyperboreanRightsActivist]

OP went from posting incel bwc spam to debating the ethics of 'p in the span of mere days. He deserves the biggest faggot of all time award and 100000 years in jahanam

 

[KingNothing]

what would get this thread locked ?

The inevitable shitfest in under ten pages.

 

[#lurker]

We got a nice, quiet little internet community here, and the jannies aim to keep it nice and quiet. So let me make something plain. I don't like you sucking around, bothering these boards, Buck. I don't like your jerk-off name. I don't like your jerk-off face. I don't like your jerk-off behavior, and I don't like you, jerk-off. Do I make myself clear?

 

[peachlover669]

The inevitable shitfest in under ten pages.

I think if we try hard enough we can get it in under 5 pages this time, here I'll start.

I think there could be some validity to the statements laid out by op and we should hear opposing views on this topic

 

[Breadbassket]

Rothbard seems like he would've been a terrible father.

 

[Otis Mallebrok]

• Thank God this Rothbard lolbertarian never had any children.
• Vaush is a disgusting coombrained swine.
• Anyone caught with CP should be thrown in the ocean with a millstone around his neck. Decency, morality and the Lord commands it.

 

[Alex Hogendorp]

Human Trafficking does not make a free society. Rothbard is wrong.

Also, Fuck Vaush!

Anyone who makes CSAM should be thrown in the lake of fire (And this also includes animated CSAM garbage too).

 

[Markass the Worst]

Finally to the meat of this post. The argument he was alluding to but didn't make. Was that from an honest libertarian standpoint possessing and watching CP does not technically violate the NAP once it is made (obviously making it would though)

Why are violations of the NAP the centerpiece of every lolbert argument? It seems incoherent to focus obsessively on one thing like that. Anyways, kill all pedos and pedo apologists.

 

[MarvinTheParanoidAndroid]

Ok so libertarians and age of consent CP memes are kind of infamous, but is there any truth to this ?

Nope. Pedophilia as a sexual trait is absent for both male and female right Libertarians. You might expect therefore that pedophilia is in the domain of left Libertarianism though, right? After all, left-libs are the hippy dippy free love LSD dopers, right?

No, that's wrong too. Turns out the political outlook most strongly associated with pedophilia, ageplay and 24/7 power dynamics is right Conservatism.

https://knowingless.com/2021/10/26/political-compass-fetishes/

 

[Sneed's Feed n Seed]

By non-retard-definition, people who want freedom are libertarian. Pretty sure most of KF is libertarian to some degree, since most of us want to be left the fuck alone, only depend on the government for shit you really need to defer to, and otherwise use morality to guide our behavior.

Non retard, morally present libertarians want to protect kids and raise them to make their own decisions.

 

[MarvinTheParanoidAndroid]

Finally to the meat of this post. The argument he was alluding to but didn't make. Was that from an honest libertarian standpoint possessing and watching CP does not technically violate the NAP once it is made (obviously making it would though)

I could make a very simple economic argument as to why this is wrong and bullshit. I would argue that consuming CP once it's already made is an extended violation of the NAP, as you are a post-event participant in the atrocity and gave demand to the supply, which further creates demand for more supply.

 

[Black Man Underwear]

I have met actual libertarians IRL who believe viewing/distributing CP should be legal. They argue it's a victimless crime within lawmakers' subjective morality, and morality policing is bad.

"Just because YOU think CP is wrong doesn't mean I think it is, so lay off!"

Replace "CP" with whatever horrors you can conjure and you can see the slippery slope.

You need an unchanging moral compass for a legal system or everyone just does whatever they want, CP, molestation, etc proliferate with impunity.

If you argue that CP infringes on a "victim's" rights, you have to establish a moral code that fundamentally values concrete and defined inalienable human rights, creating a non-subjective moral compass. In America we did that by placing the rights in the hand of a neutral, eternally benevolent and objectively "good" third party: God.

I know not every libertarian believes in moral subjectivity, so I'll admit a morally objective nation with a well defined cultural identity can probably implement something like an NAP. This requires a high-trust society, so it would fail in most Arab or African nations.

 

[SSj_Ness (Yiffed)]

The parent should not have a legal obligation to feed, clothe, or educate the child, as this would infringe on the parent's rights.

This guy fucking serious?

from an honest libertarian standpoint possessing and watching CP does not technically violate the NAP once it is made

It may not, but the NAP isn't the only consideration, as allowing its proliferation would create a market with demand.

But what do you think about the libertarian perspective on children,cp and age of consent ?

The libertarian perspective on almost everything is retarded, this is no exception. All porn should be illegal, especially this kind.

As for age of consent, it's 18 in America and that's fine. I think it should be that way everywhere, but I don't think we should play world police. If some shithole wants it to be lower then we should just shame them on the world stage and wag our finger disapprovingly, and move on.

Turns out the political outlook most strongly associated with pedophilia, ageplay and 24/7 power dynamics is right Conservatism.

Are you joking or being retarded? For some reason I remember you being a decent user.

 

[BradeRunna]

I'm not a Libertardian. I'm more like an authoritarian.

I think 18 is fine. It's been that way for decades now and it works. Are there still people out there having sex with under age girls and guys? Yeah. If no one makes a stink about it I don't see an issue. Nobody cares if some 25 year old guys bangs a 16 or 17 year old girl. A 19 year old guy shouldn't be arrested because he has sex with his 16 year old girl friend. The problem is the bitches get upset and they run off to their parents. The parents get the law involved. Then some 19 year old guy or whatever has to go around and introduce himself to his neighbors as a sex offender and the first thing that pops into their heads is "OMG he molested a child". In reality all he did was get pussy from his under age girlfriend. The parents that take legal action never stop and think what were we doing at that age. I bet the mother wasn't interested in guys her own age. I bet the father was screwing under age girls when he was younger.

The people that make a big deal out of the fact that young girls tend to lean more towards older guys and some guys tend to like older women need to get out more. All they are doing is telling the world they are a bunch of shut in recluses that have little to no experience with the opposite sex. This is just how the real world works. I also know there is a segment of the female population that doesn't like men messing around with women much younger than they are. It's mostly out of jealousy than any kind of moral stance. The moral stance is 100% fake if there is one. 18+ is legal they just have to get over it. If some 35 year old guy can get a woman 10+ years younger than him they need to get over.

This is how the world works or at least how it used to work. I don't have an issue with it. It can keep working that way. It isn't broke don't fix it.

 

[Toji Suzuhara]

Why are violations of the NAP the centerpiece of every lolbert argument? It seems incoherent to focus obsessively on one thing like that. Anyways, kill all pedos and pedo apologists.

Because all lolberts know that they are too spineless to ever make the first move. It's an inherently reactive movement defined by it's oppossition to what other movements propose

 

[Turquoise]

"Don't like age restrictions laws? Just build your own nation and set up new laws." - Styxhexenhammer666 probably

 

[Markass the Worst]

No, that's wrong too. Turns out the political outlook most strongly associated with pedophilia, ageplay and 24/7 power dynamics is right Conservatism.

https://knowingless.com/2021/10/26/political-compass-fetishes/

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The author of the source you cited is a whore and lolcow who LARPs as a researcher when she isn't one, her methods are laughable, she does whatever she can to justify her whore-brained worldview and she has a thread here on the Kiwi Farms.