On 28 October, Tim had Dave Aronberg, former Florida state attorney for Palm Beach county, as the guest.
Seamus, & Tate, were the co-hosts.
Dave is a Democrat, so this ended up being contentious. The first third of the show is composed of Dave & Tim debating cases against Donald Trump, versus those brought against Joe Biden. The beanie boy criticises Dave for simply trusting what the Department of Justice (DOJ) puts out, but his own arguments boil down to him trusting what Trump, & his lawyers say. While showing some left bias, Dave does his best to explain the legal underpinning for the cases, but Tim refuses to accept these.
Clip Collection:
-Dave tries to explain the broad power of pardoning the president has, & the requirements for overturning them is legally challenging. Tim thinks they should bring the cases, regardless of whether it is legally sound, & Republicans shall support it:
-Tim complains that
Robert Hur chose not to pursue charges against Joe Biden, but others prosecuted Donald Trump. Dave explains that the Biden case did not go forward, because a jury seeing his testimony would not be willing to convict someone of feeble mind. Tim responds with asking how
District Attorney Alvin Bragg could convict Trump by not charging him with underlying crimes which upgraded misdemeanours into felonies. As a former prosecutor, Dave explains that the case did not have to prove the crime was committed, but there was intent to do so:
Tim asks if the DOJ would go after someone attempting to commit "election violations", & Dave affirms this was the case with Trump. Tim argues that if that is the case, "the Constitution is out the window". They go back & forth over this, for some time:
-Tim brings up the cases of Jenna Ellis, & Enrique Tarrio, to rebut Dave's claims of legally sound prosecutions, during the Biden administration, as he contends "they rip precedent, & throw it out the window". Dave argues that leftists saw Attorney General Merrick Garland as too soft, & the difference between then, & now, was Trump
pressuring the acting U.S. attorney for Eastern Virginia to get someone into the position to prosecute a particular defendant. This opens the door to throwing the case out under vindictive prosecution grounds. Tim, now, cites the E. Jean Carroll suit allegedly being done under a law exclusively made to punish Trump, & doing a search of Mar-a-Lago for documents he retained after his first term. Dave lays out that conspiracy does not require active participation in events, as with Tarrio, & looks up the specifics of the Ellis case, to show how she was being indicted. He explains that the search was done in coordination with Secret Service protecting Donald Trump, was done in as unobtrusive way, as possible. Tim asks what can be do to address these issues people have with the cases, in this partisan environment:
Dave does offer an olive branch to Tim, agreeing that Alvin Bragg, & Leticia James, campaigning on charging Donald Trump, without having seen any evidence. The former prosecutor details that many people were prosecuted under
the Adult Survivors Act. Though Carroll's attorney stated
her client helped to pass it, which Dave omits. Tim brings up issue with Carroll's story, & how Trump may not have been aware of the documents being there, after his lawyers stated they handed over all they had. When Dave brings up Trump's refusal to return them, once he was asked for any other he may possess, Tim claims that Trump, & his lawyers did not do that. When called on this, Tim switches to argue it was "after the fact" that Trump stated he had presidential power to declassify, & retain, whatever he wished:
Tim begins to get riled up, pushing that Dave simply accepts what the Democrat-run DOJ said was correct. As if Tim was not claiming the same, just a short time ago, when it came to him accepting what Trump & his team said was accurate. When the two begin arguing back & forth, on the merits of cases, Tim caps it off by stating "everything is a lie" when it comes to statements by the Biden-era DOJ:
Now, we get to the hear of things. Tim is upset by the press conference Merrick Garland did on the Russian nationals funneling money to
Tenet. He feels his honour was slighted by being included in the indictment, even under a pseudonym, as someone duped into pushing disinformation. The beanie boy argues that
The Culture War, which was licensed by
Tenet, covered mostly non-political debates. Which a cursory look at
the playlists Tim chose to make of the Culture War do not seem to bear that out. Dave makes clear that the indictment was not impugning Tim's reputation, because Garland made clear that the influencers did nothing wrong, & were completely unaware of where the funding came from. Tim becomes incensed that someone would claim his debate on "modern dating was Russian propaganda", unless they were lying about him. Tim wanted an apology for being mentioned, even under a pseudonym, in the documents:
Tim continues to bawl about how he feels personally wronged, but Dave articulates how Garland did not mention Tim did anything wrong, so an apology was not warranted. When the beanie boy asks if having a press conference for "a major investigation", Dave reiterates that it was for the indictment of the Russians, not to launch an investigation.
Here is the press conference, & Garland stated as such. Tim fails to accept this, & just keeps going on about how this was all a plan to create a scandal to appear before the 2024 election, & he was being accused of pushing Russian propaganda, but the case has been dropped. Tim regards this as unprecedented, because there is no way to prosecute the RT employees, now. Dave reminds Tim that the two Russians remain indicted, so they can still be charged, should the occasion arise to detain them. Tim keeps pushing on how he never pushed Russian propaganda, ever, & does not understand why they would target him for this. You need only do a cursory look at Tim's remarks about Ukraine, & Vladimir Zelenskyy, to see why it may have been the case:
Tim keeps insisting he is deserving of an apology, & how unusual it is to do a press conference for an "investigation" being launched, but Dave keeps having to correct him. It keeps going around, & around, reiterating the same points on both sides:
It just keeps going on, until Tim offers Dave the final word. Only to immediately interrupt, & begin haranguing him, by claiming
Tenet gaining a large number of subscribers, right before the indictment dropped was part of a "psyop":
-Tim claims that Don Lemon asked for "$50,000" to appear on
IRL:
-A super-chatter asks why a case which does not bring up the underlying crime, during the trial, is valid. Dave explains the process used, but Tim responds with ever more hyperbolic hypotheticals to rebut them:
Tim is forced to pull a "Grok, is this true?" on whether the legal scheme used by DA Alvin Bragg to convict him upon was valid. When it returns an answer, relying on "legal critics, & Trump's legal team", Dave picks at the verbiage, as you would expect of a lawyer. Tim says he has to re-ask the question, but in the paywalled section: