Todd In The Shadows

Is Todd In The Shadows a lolcow?

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  • Todd is Lolcow Adjacent

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Considering how Todd took down pop timism in his Not Like Us review, sounds like you may be disappointed.

Seriously, the whole “taking down music that’s just there to make money in favor of music that says something about the world, has a message, or takes the listener on a journey, or tells a story” just feels elitist and is off putting to me. Both can coexist, and both can do other than what the critics say they only do.

Sorry if I’m getting too fixated on this one Kendrick Lamar track. I just haven’t really disagreed with Todd so much on one song, in my opinion.
You're likely right. I am just so very, very tired of monotone whispery nothing's over lo-fi beats and mumble rap. Todd's top 10s aren't as interesting to me as the other shows he does, it's not really important, but this was a good year for pop (and country that might as well be) and I hope he cover more than Sabrina Carpenter. Chappell Roan should be on the list somewhere.
 
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You're likely right. I am just so very, very tired of monotone whispery nothing's over lo-fi beats and mumble rap. Todd's top 10s aren't as interesting to me as the other shows he does, it's not really important, but this was a good year for pop (and country that might as well be) and I hope he cover more than Sabrina Carpenter. Chappell Roan should be on the list somewhere.
And if “Not Like Us” gets really high (possibly 1), I’m going to always say it: About. A. Decade. Late.

Also, I’ve never heard anything by Sabrina Carpenter or Chappell Roan so I’ll your word for it on those two.
 
Honestly I'm tired of the glazing that Lamar gets. He might be one of the most overrated artists of this and the previous decade. People treat him like he's a pioneer of consciousness in hip hop but i get the feeling he went that direction because nigga's a manlet and once he got an ounce of success he acts like all the other rappers. Especially cringe since he started this current beef with his "there's not big three it's JUST ME", literally mad that someone praised him the wrong way. Poet of the streets my ass.
 
Honestly I'm tired of the glazing that Lamar gets. He might be one of the most overrated artists of this and the previous decade. People treat him like he's a pioneer of consciousness in hip hop but i get the feeling he went that direction because nigga's a manlet and once he got an ounce of success he acts like all the other rappers. Especially cringe since he started this current beef with his "there's not big three it's JUST ME", literally mad that someone praised him the wrong way. Poet of the streets my ass.
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Considering how Todd took down pop timism in his Not Like Us review, sounds like you may be disappointed.

Seriously, the whole “taking down music that’s just there to make money in favor of music that says something about the world, has a message, or takes the listener on a journey, or tells a story” just feels elitist and is off putting to me. Both can coexist, and both can do other than what the critics say they only do.

Sorry if I’m getting too fixated on this one Kendrick Lamar track. I just haven’t really disagreed with Todd so much on one song, in my opinion.
The ultimate poptimist hates poptimism?
 
The ultimate poptimist hates poptimism?
I’m just going by what Todd said in his video.


Honestly I'm tired of the glazing that Lamar gets. He might be one of the most overrated artists of this and the previous decade. People treat him like he's a pioneer of consciousness in hip hop but i get the feeling he went that direction because nigga's a manlet and once he got an ounce of success he acts like all the other rappers. Especially cringe since he started this current beef with his "there's not big three it's JUST ME", literally mad that someone praised him the wrong way. Poet of the streets my ass.
Honestly, my issue is that most of his glazing is because he’s just saying the things that have been said about Drake for years.

And if the hook is “Kendrick is the first rapper to drop a track saying what many in the industry have thought”; then this would have hit harder in 2011/2012 when Drake released “Take Care” (which funny enough, Todd placed as #1 in his Beat Hit Songs of 2012 video) when Drake WAS the biggest name in hip hop if not all of music, instead of a guy whose last real hit amounted to creating a meme, and hasn’t really released anything of note since.then.

Also, it ain’t like anybody had Drake winning this feud to begin with, so OF COURSE you’d beat him by rapping what amounts to a bunch of YouTube comments and Twitter posts chained together.

But the way Todd (and probably others) talk about Kendrick’s diss track at what’s probably one of the easiest targets in a long time just makes me irked enough to do that anime eye twitch thing. And I’m not even the biggest Drake fan out there.
 
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I’m just going by what Todd said in his video.



Honestly, my issue is that most of his glazing is because he’s just saying the things that have been said about Drake for years.

And if the hook is “Kendrick is the first rapper to drop a track saying what many in the industry have said”, then this would have hit harder in 2011/2012 when Drake released “Take Care” (which funny enough, Todd placed as #1 in his Beat Hit Songs of 2012 video) when Drake WAS the biggest name in hip hop if not all of music, instead of a guy whose last real hit amounted to creating a meme, and hasn’t really released anything of note since.then.

Also, it ain’t like anybody had Drake winning this feud to begin with, so OF COURSE you’d beat him by rapping what amounts to a bunch of YouTube comments and Twitter posts chained together.

But the way Todd (and probably others) talk about Kendrick’s diss track at what’s probably one of the easiest targets in a long time just makes me irked enough to do that anime eye twitch thing. And I’m not even the biggest Drake fan out there.
You hit the nail right on the head.
 
I’m just going by what Todd said in his video.



Honestly, my issue is that most of his glazing is because he’s just saying the things that have been said about Drake for years.

And if the hook is “Kendrick is the first rapper to drop a track saying what many in the industry have thought”; then this would have hit harder in 2011/2012 when Drake released “Take Care” (which funny enough, Todd placed as #1 in his Beat Hit Songs of 2012 video) when Drake WAS the biggest name in hip hop if not all of music, instead of a guy whose last real hit amounted to creating a meme, and hasn’t really released anything of note since.then.

Also, it ain’t like anybody had Drake winning this feud to begin with, so OF COURSE you’d beat him by rapping what amounts to a bunch of YouTube comments and Twitter posts chained together.

But the way Todd (and probably others) talk about Kendrick’s diss track at what’s probably one of the easiest targets in a long time just makes me irked enough to do that anime eye twitch thing. And I’m not even the biggest Drake fan out there.
Kendrick is completing his transformation into the Bill Burr of music
 
Kendrick is completing his transformation into the Bill Burr of music
I don't know what that means, but I have to believe it involves the words "cynical asshole".

Any guesses for Best and Worst Lists? I'm guessing The Heart Part 6 being on the worst list I the Top 5 and Not Like Us being on the best list at number 1.
Had to look up “The Heart Part 6”. Turns out it was one of Drake’s tracks from the beef.
 
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I don't know what that means, but I have to believe it involves the words "cynical asshole".


Had to look up “The Heart Part 6”. Turns out it was one of Drake’s tracks from the beef.
Yeah. Drake's last beef track was criticized for many things, one of them being Drake basically saying that rich people don't don't get caught for being pedos (meanwhile, the Diddy case is one of the biggest scandals of the year).
 
Any guesses for Best and Worst Lists? I'm guessing The Heart Part 6 being on the worst list I the Top 5 and Not Like Us being on the best list at number 1.
I can see Not Like Us being on the best list, but he expressed quite a few reservations about it so I doubt it'll be #1.

More deranged and/or paranoid bullshit from BlueSky:
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That's the same WPATH which got caught admitting in its internal correspondence that 'trans healthcare' does more harm than good, by the way. It's like saying Republicans could prevent a group of mad scientists from torturing children - but will the Democrats refuse to stop them???
 
I can see Not Like Us being on the best list, but he expressed quite a few reservations about it so I doubt it'll be #1.

More deranged and/or paranoid bullshit from BlueSky:
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That's the same WPATH which got caught admitting in its internal correspondence that 'trans healthcare' does more harm than good, by the way. It's like saying Republicans could prevent a group of mad scientists from torturing children - but will the Democrats refuse to stop them???
Todd, your ugly, mentally unstable friends that decided trans was a cure for their problems were suicidal before deciding to destroy their minds and bodies with the wrong hormones. People like Hope, Dany and Nick would have been better off on meth than testosterone or estrogen, even before invasive surgery. It's no more health care than lobotomies were, and it's Todd's fervent support for this gruesome shit that disturbs more than any of his other positions and convinces me that despite his normal dude persona, there are some nasty skeletons in his closet.
 
Todd's fervent support for this gruesome shit that disturbs more than any of his other positions and convinces me that despite his normal dude persona, there are some nasty skeletons in his closet.
It's always the way with those folks. If you are vocally in support of what the zeitgeist calls the "morally right" thing, it's because you want people to think that you passionately support current-day-thing as "good", so the idiots that have the attention spans of goldfish don't look too hard and praise you for it, while the rest of us who understand "the lady doth protest too much" know perfectly well they're overcompensating.

Social justice warriors are always putting their guilt on display. Always. Just tell them you know what they did.
 
The ultimate poptimist hates poptimism?
It took me a while to to look into this but, this is what Todd said about "Poptimism":

Todd: For the last 20 years, music criticism has been shaped by a movement called [graphic for...] "Poptimism".

Which existed in opposition to...

..."Rockism".

Todd (VO): Which uh... It's rock supremacy basically. And it was a big criticism of all the big journalists and gatekeepers of music at that time. Before this, the idea that we would talk about, like, Christina Aguilera as, like, a real serious artist, it- it was a joke. She wasn't [ a real musician like Eric Clapton or whoever. In 2002, Pitchfork wrote a joke review of Kylie Minogue.

Todd: What's the joke, you're asking? That is the joke. The joke is that Pitchfork reviewed Kylie Minogue.


The idea that this would be funny is so dated, it might as well be written in hieroglyphics. The joke doesn't make any sense at all these days when everyone, including Pitchfork, treats Ariana Grande with the same weight and gravity that they used to cover Radiohead with. That's what Poptimism was all about, dismissing all the snobbery that said, "We would never review someone as shallow as Kylie Minogue." Like, we wrote all that off as tedious boomer shit coming from gatekeeping old white guys. Drop your preconceptions about authenticity or whatever, sometimes you just wanna dance. Sometimes you just wanna listen to something catchy, and that's ok. And more than ok, it's worthy of praise, we all decided.

Todd: Nowadays, we respect pop. [beat] Or do we?

Despite how the discourse has been shaped by quote, unquote "Poptimism", "pop" is still an insult when you apply it to genres other than pop music. Pop rap is still an insult, pop country is still an insult. If you called Coldplay pop, you would understand that as an insult because they're supposed to be an alternative rock band, allegedly. So being called pop cheapens them. That's why the criticism of Drake hits weird for me. Like, I hear all the shit people say, you know, "It's shallow, he's superficial, it's all image, it's music for girls, he doesn't even write it himself."

These are all things I heard said about...

...Britney Spears and The Backstreet Boys before Poptimism existed. And I always kinda wondered what it would look like if...
..."Pop Raptimism" existed.



Like, this shit about ghostwriters, who cares? Like, it's been an open secret that Dr. Dre doesn't necessarily write all his own stuff, he's still one of the greats. I mean, there he is standing with Kendrick right there. And Snoop uses ghostwriters now too, he's admitted it, he's not one bit ashamed of it. He cited Diana Ross, one of the greatest ever pop stars as his reason.

So like, what if?

What if pop rappers were given any respect? What if the "Big 3" were Flo Rida, Pitbull, and Fergie?



It sounds ridiculous, right?

: We don't think that way, Kendrick proved it.


"Not Like Us" is one of the most stunning defeats of Poptimism I've ever seen. Like, the chorus is "Not like us".




That's literally gatekeeping, that's- I mean, that's the literal definition of gatekeeping. Kendrick attacks Drake for being a pop star, Kendrick destroys Drake for being a pop star. And it kinda makes me wonder what "Poptimism" has actually meant. Like, what is it- what was the meaning behind this?

And my conclusion is... It means the gays like it. Right? That's all it means?


Poptimism is, I think, inextricable from the rise of gay rights as a mainstream movement. And once the gays became widely understood as a marginalized demographic worth respecting, so too did quote, unquote "gay music". One of the big attacks on Rockism was being homophobic, and one of the first major moves of Poptimism was a re-evaluation of disco. That's why shitting on pop music now gets you the same dirty looks that shitting on rap music does, because of all those concrete ties to a respectable social movement. So for all that Poptimism has replaced Rockism... it kinda just feels like it's just the same thing with a coat of pink paint on it.

Rock fans were so pretentious about rock because it was the sound of rebellion and youth, and hip hop is the sound of the disenfranchised, and now pop has its movement. Genre respect is still tied to its social importance. And this is why Drake as a pop rapper seems to have no respect at all anymore. Rap music was already connected to something culturally important, it has been since its inception. Being pop here means nothing, because there's...

...not really a whole lot aesthetically gay about any of this.


Kendrick said some things during this feud that get kinda borderline homophobic, has a whole song about being late to the party on this issue.

And Drake said things that were just homophobic straight up.

Todd: In fact, Kendrick straight up admitted that he liked Drake: The pop star, not the rapper. Making pop connects you to something important, making pop rap disconnects you from it. And Kendrick just lays all that out in devastating detail.

You'd think if anyone was gonna make the case for pop rap as a worthy genre, it'd be Drake, who's been playing both sides of the hits/credibility divide for a long time. Like, he was one of the "Big 3", he was respected.

Todd: But it turns out he was the absolute worst person to make a case for pop rap.

Todd (VO): His shit hasn't been good in years! And it's all sucked for the same reason pop music in general sucks; the shallowness, the trend riding, the numbers chasing, the callow attaching himself to whatever hot newcomer pops up in the scene.

The Drake phenomenon has- has become painfully hollow. And all that pretentious shit about authenticity we're told doesn't matter anymore, it does matter. It matters a lot.

Todd (VO): Kendrick managed to make Drake the first black person cancelled for cultural appropriation. In this case, being a Canadian leeching off of, like, the Southern hip hop scene. You don't have to be up on all the intricacies of regional hip hop to notice the empty feeling. You can call it mutual respect or a cross-cultural connection I guess, but it sure doesn't feel like that. Especially considering how many of his closest collaborators hate his guts.



And to be clear, Kendrick didn't win the fight by calling Drake a fake, Drake lost the fight by being fake.

Todd: "Family Matters", Drake's big attempted kill shot does not hold up to me at all.

Cause it all hinges around this accusation of domestic abuse, and he just doesn't seem to actually believe it, you know, the whole tone is just "Nee-ner, Nee-ner, Nee-ner". Versus Kendrick, who seems to really believe what he's saying about Drake and is genuinely disgusted by it.

The most brutal insult of "Not Like Us" is the title.

"Not like us, you're not one of us". Rhetorically, it cuts Drake off from any support from anybody. Or anybody that matters at least. One of the more brilliant moves of the music video is showing Kendrick as a man of the people, which is as much a diss of Drake as the lyrics are. I mean, look at how much everyone loves him. The last time Drake did something like that was the "God's Plan" video, which was the last time he was even remotely likeable. But more often, Drake's videos emphasize how rich he is, or he'll do, like, joke videos where he's just a regular schlub with a 9 to 5 and a shitty apartment in a way that's become really obnoxious. Like, "Ha ha, imagine me, Drake, working a job like you." Like, almost all rappers flex their wealth, but it doesn't feel right the way he does it.

He's not! He's not one of them. Kendrick is from the streets, Drake is a showbiz kid. Kendrick has a Pulitzer, Drake hosted the 2011 Juno Awards.

What the fuck am I watching? This is one of the "Big 3"!?

I mean, I've liked tons of Drake songs, but...

The more this feud has gone on, the more I agree with Kendrick. Like, fuck the "Big 3", what are we talking about, how did we ever group these two people together?

Like, Kendrick was not, like, perfect during this whole thing, he got away with things a lesser rapper would not have. Like, he got Joel Osteen confused with Haley Joel Osment, and he just played it off on the next song.

Todd (VO): Or how he ends "Not Like Us", I d- I don't get it at all.

Kendrick: Freaky-ass ni**a, he a 69 god
Freaky-ass ni**a, he a 69 god
[stammers] I don't get it, like, sex position god?

Todd: That's a compliment. Thank you? [text appears: *When I previewed this video on Patreon, I got a lot of comments offering different explanations of this line to me, none of which I found very convincing. You can leave a comment explaining why this is brilliant wordplay that I'm clearly too stupid to get but I'd prefer that you didn't.]

Todd (VO): And yet, this still goes down as one of the most thorough and flawless victories that's ever happened. Like, when Drake lost the Pusha T battle, he wasn't the villain, he was just the loser; he's the villain now, though. Like, I don't know how many times in the past few years I've seen comments calling Drake the worst artist alive and a guy who's made zero good music. I think he's made good music, a lot of it, but it-it's getting pretty damn far in the past by this point.
Will he come back from this? I don't know.

Accusations ruined Michael Jackson's career and he did have hits after that, but it wasn't ever the same. Drake has been limping around like a beaten dog since this ended. Camila Cabello got a feature from him, which I think was supposed to put her back on the charts. Instead, Drake's relying on Camila to get him back on the charts now, that's insane! But one point Kendrick made that really started to make me wonder is that he kept calling Drake a manipulator.

Cause you look at the situation, who was manipulating what here?
Who's the one who looked completely in charge of the situation at all times? Cause from here, it looked like Kendrick played Drake like a fiddle!

And all that talk of how Drake's the only one who likes being famous.

Does this look like a guy who doesn't wanna be famous to you? I mean, I do feel like I'm looking at Kendrick very differently at this point. Like, Kendrick's last album was a huge downer, and I see him here, he looks so happy. I kinda suspect he did want the big pop success like Drake has, he just didn't wanna sacrifice his integrity to do it. And... He found a way so, you know, who can judge him for that?

Todd: I mean, there's your Poptimism. Kendrick is the voice of the people, number 1 with a bullet, baby!

Todd (VO): So when I look at this and ask what this is a victory lap for exactly... Uh, the correct answer is, of course: the culture. The culture that Drake isn't a part of and has been exploiting.

Todd: But I'm not part of that culture, so I can't share in that victory.

Todd (VO): What I see when I look at this is a victory for, just, shit mattering in general. Kendrick is essentially a music critic and a better one that I am. And he... You know, I agree with him; yes, authenticity does matter, artistry does matter.

Todd: It's not just about chasing numbers and streams.


I got issues with "Not Like Us". Like, whatever my misgivings about this, this is also just one of the greatest events in music history. I am glad to be alive to witness this, what an amazing thing. You-you'll tell your kids about this. If only to explain to them why they shouldn't let Drake give them candy.

Todd: [puts hands up] Allegedly! [gets up and leaves] Allegedly, allegedly, allegedly.
 
So basically it was that shitty music got respect for being tied to the social justice movement, who are ultra consoomers who will swallow anything so long as gays and blacks are stereotyped as liking it
It's the only reason people are saying Disco was overhated, because it can't be that disco was actually shit, no. Gen X kids who hated that shit had to be racist and homophobic, that's the only reason to hate it. Because the only type of disco the SJW kids ever heard was the stuff that stood the test of time, not the actual shit that was being played repetitively everywhere.
 
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