Tom Hardy is the next James Bond - We got our new 007, everyone!

[khaine]

Honestly, I'm still on the boat that Henry Cavill would be better. Pretty much everyone loves the guy & he actually gives a shit about things he works in. We even have a good audition tape on the matter, it's called The Man From U.N.C.L.E.

True, but he still gives less of that vibe than Craig does.

Henry Cavill would be an excellent choice. Its a pity The Man from UNCLE bombed, as it was a fun film

 

[teriyakiburns]

Henry Cavill would be an excellent choice. Its a pity The Man from UNCLE bombed, as it was a fun film

I guess they didn't want to risk Armie Hammer eating anyone on set.

 

[Screamer_2]

Henry Cavill would be an excellent choice. Its a pity The Man from UNCLE bombed, as it was a fun film

He's doing a new Spy film by Matthew Vaughn called Argylle. So we'll get more anyway. Let's just hope Vaughn can resist his fucking retarded juvenile humour this time. That fingering scene in Kingsman 2 was the dumbest shit ever.

 

[Stoneheart]

Making Bond non-white has a fundamental issue, the character is white. While there are different versions, a non-white version would be fundamentally incompatible with the previous versions and the time periods they are set. If a non-white race is reflected in any way with the character's experience in the world, then it further separates it out from being the character. To just one with his names and tropes. If they don't address it, then what is the point?

Bond doesnt have to be white or even english. he only needs to love the queen and be upperclass from the british empire.
the brits were never racists like americans and local elites that loved the queen in every part of their empire.

 

[ArthuriusMartyrius]

He's doing a new Spy film by Matthew Vaughn called Argylle. So we'll get more anyway. Let's just hope Vaughn can resist his fucking retarded juvenile humour this time. That fingering scene in Kingsman 2 was the dumbest shit ever.

I'm like 90% sure that Argylle is gonna be some money laundering shit that will be forgotten within a month. It's supposedly based off a novel that hasn't even been officially published yet, is going to Apple TV+ and the synopsis makes it sound like some goofy summer comedy that we used to get in the 2000s that nobody remembers now.

Also people need to stop expecting any Bond news for at least the next 2 years. No Time To Die came out late last year and the time period between Bonds has usually been at minimum 3 to 4 years post-Moore. Especially since they are apparently trying to "rework" it yet again like how Craig was supposed to be a more "mature", "vulnerable" Bond or whatever other buzzwords they were using back in 2005-2006. They aren't gonna have a new Bond lined up at least until early 2024 at best.

Which would make Cavill around 40-41 which is actually the ideal age for Bond.

 

[khaine]

Good. It's best to give the franchise some time to breathe. Pause, and then reset. That's what's wrong with Marvel, its all about pumping the next shit thing.

 

[Tragi-Chan]

I kind of hope they go back to more fun Bond films. I liked Craig’s take, but the endless grit got a bit tiring after a while.

 

[Screamer_2]

I'm like 90% sure that Argylle is gonna be some money laundering shit that will be forgotten within a month. It's supposedly based off a novel that hasn't even been officially published yet, is going to Apple TV+ and the synopsis makes it sound like some goofy summer comedy that we used to get in the 2000s that nobody remembers now.

Also people need to stop expecting any Bond news for at least the next 2 years. No Time To Die came out late last year and the time period between Bonds has usually been at minimum 3 to 4 years post-Moore. Especially since they are apparently trying to "rework" it yet again like how Craig was supposed to be a more "mature", "vulnerable" Bond or whatever other buzzwords they were using back in 2005-2006. They aren't gonna have a new Bond lined up at least until early 2024 at best.

Which would make Cavill around 40-41 which is actually the ideal age for Bond.

Mathew Vaughn has done a few projects from material that wasn't released yet. Like Kick-Ass and Kingsman. So I think it's just his thing.

The big delay in Bond films only really started with the Craig era. It was still 2-3 years until then. The Gap before Brosnan was legal issues.

EON is a pretty small production company. Even with the delayed release of NTTD, they seemed to suggest they'd done bugger all for the next project while waiting.

I expect next year we'll get Paapa Essiedu announced. Cue backlash in media for clicks. Which will call fans racist, even though it's just the media complaining. Then the film will come out in 2025/6.

 

[MirrorNoir]

Why are they making more Bond films when they killed him?

Technically, if you want to get anal, the Craig Bond films were their own little side universe as the first one (Casino Royale, which was also the very first Bond book, was explicitly declared a "reboot" of the franchise.

Ideally, Hardy's first Bond film would be a restoration of the old canon complete with Dench and Cleese coming back if only to repass the torch to whoever plays M and Q in the Hardy era.

Honestly shocked they didn't pick Edris Elba because he's a POC.

Elba has repeatedly declined/asked fans to stop demanding he be made Bond for a couple of reasons:

1. He despises franchise films, to the point that he regretted taking the Heimdell role in Thor. Supposedly, Elba didn't think Thor would be a hit and took the role for quick cash as he thought that the whole "Marvel Cinematic Universe thing would flop. But he got fucked over when it made enough money to get sequels/Disney was dead set on following through with the whole "cinematic universe" thing, meaning he was on the hook for future films playing the role and lost out on roles he wanted to do because of him being contracted to do the Thor sequels.

2. He pretty much has self-awareness of the fact that the public won't accept a Black Bond and doesn't want to deal with the bullshit that would ensue if he got cast.

3. Elba's a bit of a snob in that he thinks of himself as a serious actor and prefers "serious" roles, not action films or kid friendly fodder.

 

[Screamer_2]

Technically, if you want to get anal, the Craig Bond films were their own little side universe as the first one (Casino Royale, which was also the very first Bond book, was explicitly declared a "reboot" of the franchise.

Ideally, Hardy's first Bond film would be a restoration of the old canon complete with Dench and Cleese coming back if only to repass the torch to whoever plays M and Q in the Hardy era.

I am of the opinion Craig's films were a reset, and not a reboot until SPECTRE. The bond films have had a floating timeline, and most of the films based on books were completely out of order.

Casino and Quantum were set before the other films. SPECTRE was set after Die Another Day. Hence how it goes to Bond now being old and tired. It gets muddled with the Moneypenny of it all. Franchise always had inconsistencies, people played multiple roles etc. I feel the film was based on resetting back to the old format. Maybe it was set before the originals.

Then they got the rights back to Thunderball, could have Blofeld and fucked it all up. Just went full-on, "this is its whole new thing."

I've been listening to the Light the Fuse Podcast, which is on the Mission Impossible franchise. I feel the later Bond films of the Craig era have gone through a similar fluid production process as the recent MI films have. Where nothing is really set in stone, the film is changed, written and found in production. Yet there's just no strong central creative/visionary lead to the films to get as good a result.

 

[ArthuriusMartyrius]

Mathew Vaughn has done a few projects from material that wasn't released yet. Like Kick-Ass and Kingsman. So I think it's just his thing.

The big delay in Bond films only really started with the Craig era. It was still 2-3 years until then. The Gap before Brosnan was legal issues.

EON is a pretty small production company. Even with the delayed release of NTTD, they seemed to suggest they'd done bugger all for the next project while waiting.

I expect next year we'll get Paapa Essiedu announced. Cue backlash in media for clicks. Which will call fans racist, even though it's just the media complaining. Then the film will come out in 2025/6.

...but Kick-Ass and Kingsman comics were both released before their respective films?

 

[CharcoalChkn]

I really like Tom Hardy, but I hate this.

 

[Screamer_2]

...but Kick-Ass and Kingsman comics were both released before their respective films?

I may be wrong with Kingsman, but Kick-Ass was developed parallel and separately from the comic.

What I can quickly gather is Kingsman originated from Mathew Vaughn and Mark Miller discussing the need for fun spy films again. I think it's a similar situation to Kick-Ass where it's a parallel development.

 

[Stab You in the Back]

3. Elba's a bit of a snob in that he thinks of himself as a serious actor and prefers "serious" roles, not action films or kid friendly fodder.

Bullshit. I don't think Elba's a good fit because he's too old and has a shit accent, but the above reasoning is a complete lie. Let's examine his resume:

Sonic the Hedgehog
Zootopia
Thor
The Suicide Squad
Cats
Hobbs & Shaw
The Dark Tower
Star Trek
The Jungle Book
Pacific Rim

This guy literally does nothing but children's films and franchise bait. He is a whore for money and doesn't have a let to stand on regarding "serious" acting.

 

[Absolutego]

Bullshit. I don't think Elba's a good fit because he's too old and has a shit accent, but the above reasoning is a complete lie. Let's examine his resume:

Sonic the Hedgehog
Zootopia
Thor
The Suicide Squad
Cats
Hobbs & Shaw
The Dark Tower
Star Trek
The Jungle Book
Pacific Rim

This guy literally does nothing but children's films and franchise bait. He is a whore for money and doesn't have a let to stand on regarding "serious" acting.

When people fancast Elba as Bond, they're thinking of his performance in Luther, maybe the Wire. Not his capeshit appearances.

 

[IDanceonTrannyGraves]

I'm okay with Hardy or Cavill. If it's not a black, a woman or a gay, I'll be happy.

 

[MirrorNoir]

I may be wrong with Kingsman, but Kick-Ass was developed parallel and separately from the comic.

What I can quickly gather is Kingsman originated from Mathew Vaughn and Mark Miller discussing the need for fun spy films again. I think it's a similar situation to Kick-Ass where it's a parallel development.

Like the bulk of Millar's creator owned work, Kickass and Kingsmen were created as comics that were glorified movie pitches to studios. To the point that one of the later Kickass volumes (I forget which one) had a character that was explicitly drawn up as Bryan Cranston circa Breaking Bad as a huge cry for "hey cast Bryan as this guy in the movie version!".

Vaughn basically is Millar's friend in Hollywood that is the go to guy for adapting his work and Millar has tacitly accepted the notion that Vaughn has free reign to rewrite Millar's comics for the movies to make them more palatable to both the masses and haters of Millar's comics work. It's one of the reasons Jupiter's Legacy flopped (Vaughn wasn't involved) and why he was allowed to expand the Kingsman into a franchise with regards to Millar allowing him to do movie exclusive sequels and prequels. He's basically Millar's tard wrangler and Millar's creator own work largely first drafts, with the exception of Jupiter's Legacy; which is the only good creator own book Millar's made that is equal to his work on Authority.

I am of the opinion Craig's films were a reset, and not a reboot until SPECTRE. The bond films have had a floating timeline, and most of the films based on books were completely out of order.

Casino and Quantum were set before the other films. SPECTRE was set after Die Another Day. Hence how it goes to Bond now being old and tired. It gets muddled with the Moneypenny of it all. Franchise always had inconsistencies, people played multiple roles etc. I feel the film was based on resetting back to the old format. Maybe it was set before the originals.

Then they got the rights back to Thunderball, could have Blofeld and fucked it all up. Just went full-on, "this is its whole new thing."

I've been listening to the Light the Fuse Podcast, which is on the Mission Impossible franchise. I feel the later Bond films of the Craig era have gone through a similar fluid production process as the recent MI films have. Where nothing is really set in stone, the film is changed, written and found in production. Yet there's just no strong central creative/visionary lead to the films to get as good a result.

Casino Royal was an actual honest to goodness reboot, was announced as such, and even went as far as using the reboot to bring back Bond's spy pal Felix who was white in previous films and was written out in License to Kill, when he was maimed/driven into catatonia by drug dealers who cut off his legs and made him watch his wife be gangraped/tortured to death.

The only thing that kept it from being a proper reboot is that you had Judi Dench as M and that was largely due to her being under a multi-film contract hence why they had to keep her around as a legacy character for the reboot continuity and wrote her out first chance they could.

 

[Screamer_2]

Casino Royal was an actual honest to goodness reboot, was announced as such, and even went as far as using the reboot to bring back Bond's spy pal Felix who was white in previous films and was written out in License to Kill, when he was maimed/driven into catatonia by drug dealers who cut off his legs and made him watch his wife be gangraped/tortured to death.

The only thing that kept it from being a proper reboot is that you had Judi Dench as M and that was largely due to her being under a multi-film contract hence why they had to keep her around as a legacy character for the reboot continuity and wrote her out first chance they could.

Well, we can disagree on the reset/reboot thing at time of making film.

With Judy Dench, she wasn't under contract. There's some story that when Barbara was telling her the plans for the future of Bond, Dench asked, "when do we start" and Barbara didn't want to tell her she wasn't in it. So that's how she ended up in it.

There's also stories that they were a bit unsure about the new Bond, wanted to carry over some element from the previous era.

Vaughn basically is Millar's friend in Hollywood that is the go to guy for adapting his work and Millar has tacitly accepted the notion that Vaughn has free reign to rewrite Millar's comics for the movies to make them more palatable to both the masses and haters of Millar's comics work. It's one of the reasons Jupiter's Legacy flopped (Vaughn wasn't involved) and why he was allowed to expand the Kingsman into a franchise with regards to Millar allowing him to do movie exclusive sequels and prequels.

Maybe I was bored and willing to accept anything. I don't really remember what happened but I actually enjoyed Jupiter's Legacy and was annoyed when they immediately announced it as cancelled.

Kingsman 2 is up there with The Last Jedi as one of my most disappointing film experiences ever. I loved the first Kingsman. Clearly, my vision of the franchise deviated from Vaughn's. The prequel, it was silly but it was entertaining.