Tor master race general

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Wait, so that makes it good?
Stock firefox (which tor browser is based on) does not auto update. At least not on any distro I've ever used.

Do you know any other way to conceal your IP address and use the internet like you would normally? Using a VPN doesn't count, it only gives you one hop where Tor guarantees 3

This is true. Both Pale Moon and its devs kinda suck.

1. Stock firefox (which tor browser is based on) does not auto update. At least not on any distro I've ever used.
   1. It does auto update though, it just doesn't apply it till a restart, no? Correct me if I am wrong, but there is I guess a single step to saying yes please update that most browsers do before the update takes affect.
2. Do you know any other way to conceal your IP address and use the internet like you would normally? Using a VPN doesn't count, it only gives you one hop where Tor guarantees 3
   1. That isn't the point I am disagreeing with. Tor is most secure by navigating to only tor based websites (onions), this is confirmed over and over. If you want genuine advice, VPN does have multi-hop and even some providers let you choose based on a new country, new ISP to make it even more difficult. I am not saying Tor doesn't do it's job, it's more that it wasn't originally designed with clear traffic in mind.
3. This is true. Both Pale Moon and its devs kinda suck.
   1. I haven't looked enough to confirm if they suck or not, and Mozilla has been pissing out there ass for years so I'm not saying Mozilla is doing it right, it is simply that browsers are hard and the problems faced with surveillance are so complicated I don't trust a simple team to understand it. Most privacy software is so under funded or under staffed that it's a concern that we haven't fixed I believe.

 

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It does auto update though, it just doesn't apply it till a restart, no?

I mean it probably does that on Windows since it would be annoying to remember to update the browser manually but on every Linux distro I've ever used updates have been handled by the package manager

Tor is most secure by navigating to only tor based websites (onions), this is confirmed over and over.

Depends on what you mean. If you mean using Tor to connect to HTTP sites/any other cleartext protocol is insecure, then you're right, the exit node can see where you're connecting to and the traffic being sent. If you mean using Tor to connect to HTTPS/any kind of encrypted protocol, then in theory your traffic should be safe, unless the exit node has a quantum computer handy to decrypt it.
Of course, using a Tor hidden service will always be more secure since there's no exit node involved.

I haven't looked enough to confirm if they suck or not

I don't remember specifically what they did to make them dislike them tbh, I just remember Moonchild Productions being rude to users on their forums. I might have completely misremembered though

 

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I mean it probably does that on Windows since it would be annoying to remember to update the browser manually but on every Linux distro I've ever used updates have been handled by the package manager

Depends on what you mean. If you mean using Tor to connect to HTTP sites/any other cleartext protocol is insecure, then you're right, the exit node can see where you're connecting to and the traffic being sent. If you mean using Tor to connect to HTTPS/any kind of encrypted protocol, then in theory your traffic should be safe, unless the exit node has a quantum computer handy to decrypt it.
Of course, using a Tor hidden service will always be more secure since there's no exit node involved.

I don't remember specifically what they did to make them dislike them tbh, I just remember Moonchild Productions being rude to users on their forums. I might have completely misremembered though

I checked I realized that it's Brave that has a little icon that appears complaining that there is an update I have to install. Firefox on osx/windows seems to force sometimes an update by not letting you connect out till you update.

For Tor to HTTPS the problem is that Tor is meant to be meta data resistant, even though it may not have started that way. The modern internet has a lot of technologies that can reduce the effectiveness of Tor (see javascript). I guess that is not a network problem but more of an application problem but the point stands. Your network traffic is harder to distinguish tor to tor, compared to tor to clear internet.

I think moonchild is a good idea and I welcome it but it suffers the same issue as most projects, you are at the hands of a developer who can have good ideas or terrible ideas. I bring it up that a browser is very hard to manage because even Google with billions of dollars still struggles to fix exploits and other issues with their browser, I can't imagine a passion project will do much better.