Culture Trans People Are Seeking Nonbinary Bottom Surgeries - Across the gender spectrum, some patients are looking for mixed sets of genitals, or none at all. Actually receiving this "affirming" care isn't easy.



“How do you describe to someone else the process of becoming real?” asked Hyde Goltz, a 42-year-old nonbinary mortuary student from Minnesota’s Twin Cities. They’ve been trying to find the words to describe their journey since 2014. That year, they received a vagina-preserving phalloplasty, meaning they now have both a vagina and a surgically constructed penis.

Goltz is part of a growing cohort of trans patients who’ve undergone surgeries that allow for dual sets of genitals or other medical interventions that don’t strictly adhere to binary gender norms. VICE spoke to Goltz and three other people about their experiences with individually customizable genital surgeries that affirmed their gender identities. All of them talked about how that put them at odds with some medical providers, compounded systemic barriers to gender-affirming care, and, for some, alienated them from others within the trans community. However, these surgeries ultimately helped them feel more at home in their bodies.
Goltz and many others seeking bigential anatomy—or, both a penis and a vagina—call themselves “Salmacians,” a term coined by sci-fi writer Raphael Carter in the 90s to describe people who want a mixed set of genitals. The term “Salmacian” is derived from the Greek myth of Salmacis and Hermaphroditus, wherein the nymph Salmacis begs the gods to unite her with her male object of desire, Hermaphroditus, and the gods merge the two into a single androgynous being. Despite the relative obscurity of the term—none of the medical professionals VICE interviewed for this article had heard it before—online trans communities claiming it as an identifier have grown into the thousands.

https://www.vice.com/en/article/n7wnbb/tony-mcdade-nina-pop-how-to-help

So, too, has come backlash. Many of the people interviewed for this article requested that their names be changed or partially omitted for privacy reasons, citing public vitriol and violence towards trans people. But for Goltz, who runs a blog chronicling their transition, the majority of the online harassment they receive comes from other trans people. They said they’ve received messages telling them they’re “making a mockery” of the community by “only going halfway.” They described a torrent of derogatory comments from self-proclaimed “trans-medicalists”—those who believe transness is contingent upon a diagnosis of gender dysphoria and a full medical transition. “That was the hardest hate mail to take—other trans people saying, ‘No, you're doing it wrong,’” Goltz said.

The vast majority of trans people never receive genital reconstruction surgery for a host of reasons, including fertility concerns, sexual preference, and systemic barriers in cost and access. Most of those who do undergo genital surgery end up with “binary” external genitalia—a penis or a vagina. Genital reconstruction is commonly known as “bottom surgery,” but the umbrella term covers many different procedures that trans people receive: orchiectomy, penectomy, scrotectomy, vaginectomy, vaginoplasty, phalloplasty, metoidioplasty, and more, often in combination with one another.
There are no national or international databases tracking the prevalence and outcomes of these procedures, but three trans healthcare providers interviewed for this article anecdotally said the same things: Fully binary surgeries are most common. Vagina-preserving phalloplasties, in which a person receives a surgically constructed penis without removing the vulva and vaginal canal, are somewhat common; and phallus-preserving vaginoplasties are extremely rare. Gender nullification, a series of surgeries that remove all external genitalia beyond a urethral opening, is less common but also practiced among cisgender gay men. None of the providers were aware of a case of gender nullification performed on someone assigned female at birth.
Richard Santucci, a surgeon at The Crane Center for Transgender Surgery in Austin, Texas, estimated that he performs the vagina-preserving phalloplasty Goltz received on about 20 percent of his trans-masculine patients each year, and not just nonbinary ones. Many binary trans men don’t pursue vaginectomy, or the surgical closure of the vaginal opening and removal of the vulva, to preserve fertility or sexual function, or because it simply doesn’t trigger their dysphoria.
Santucci emphasized that while trans medicine, including bigenital procedures, is safe, sound, and proven science, trans healthcare providers need to pay more attention to patients seeking these procedures, especially as more queer people embrace explicitly nonbinary identities.


Since he began practicing trans-focused medicine in 2016, Santucci said he has seen shifts in the field. He wrote several dozen papers on genital reconstruction for trans patients at the start of his time at The Crane Center. At the time, he said, this made up a considerable amount of the abstracts on the subject. “One research group should not be able to write a significant chunk of the literature in a year.”
This gap in resources dedicated to trans healthcare can make it substantially harder for trans patients to access it. “It’s been a challenge to get tailored hormone replacement therapy as a nonbinary person,” said Ryan, a London-based computer security researcher in their late 30s who has become an advocate in their industry for trans issues.
Ahead of their phallus-preserving vaginoplasty in 2021, Ryan felt tacit pressure to go on hormones. Although the surgeon they ultimately chose had a hormones-optional policy, other trans providers expressed skepticism surrounding Ryan’s transition. The Standards of Care 8, the professional guidelines crafted by the World Professional Association for Transgender Health (WPATH) discourages antiquated practices of requiring hormone regimens for trans patients to “prove” their transness.
Other notable additions to this version include, for the first time in the SOC’s 40-year history, sections distinctly set out to address the nonbinary community and “eunuchs” (a subset of gender non-conforming individuals who are assigned male at birth, may or may not identify as cisgender, pursue chemical or surgical castration and self-identify with the term).
The updated chapters call for removing barriers to gender-affirming healthcare by focusing on “individual assessments.” For example, it urges surgeons to consider taking on nonbinary patients regardless of whether there has been a “social transition” and regardless of whether a patient has been on hormones, unless necessary for their desired procedure.
Ryan liked the hormones and stuck with them, but has been frustrated by the lack of standards for hormone levels catering to nonbinary patients and their goals. “There was a lot of me digging through publications and medical journals trying to figure out what might be good to do and finding providers willing to work with me.”
Patients seeking bigenital surgery aren’t the only trans people receiving less common forms of gender-affirming care. Mels, a 34-year-old office manager in Delaware, is agender and asexual. She wanted a full gender nullification procedure—a wholly smooth exterior. “It used to always be at the forefront of my mind—anytime I'd go to the bathroom, take a shower, or change my clothes, so multiple times a day,” Mels said. “But now that I don't have any genitals, it's not something I think about, which is the goal.”

Following her orchiectomy, or the removal of the testes, Mels filed with insurance to receive a vaginoplasty, which is the surgical construction of a vagina. In the months of waiting, she discovered there was another, better option: she could just remove her penis, also known as having a penectomy. But she couldn’t find a surgeon in New England or New York who was willing to do it. Mels had to fly out to a private practice in Michigan to receive the care she sought.
“I got fed up with waiting for something that I didn't even want,” she said.
Because Mels had to travel for the surgery, she said she racked up exorbitant bills for flights, hotels, and post-op care—in addition to paying $7,000 out-of-pocket for the procedure itself, because many insurance companies don’t cover penectomies in the same way they do for orchiectomies.
Healthcare providers for the queer community have been expanding their care to accommodate these diverse requests, according to Loren Schechter, a Chicago-based plastic surgeon and the treasurer of WPATH. “The underpinnings of the SOC8 is the individualized nature of care. We have to address the person who's sitting before us,” he said.
Schechter emphasized that while medical providers are still finding new ways to better serve the trans community, modern procedures have a long and storied history in the fields of urology, gynecology, and plastic surgery.
“We often are tasked with creating different and innovative approaches using our knowledge of anatomy, wound-healing, physiology, and drawing from our experience in reconstruction of other areas to meet patients’ needs,” he said. “It’s important to have that historical perspective, the recognition that surgery and medicine are evolutionary processes where we build on all of the work of our predecessors. The field didn't start yesterday, and it didn't start five years ago.”
Cis- and heteronormative perspectives have long overshadowed queer healthcare. This framework has become especially fraught as ideas surrounding what genitals can do and mean evolve.
According to Eric Plemons, a medical anthropologist at the University of Arizona who studies the politics and practice of transgender medicine, early surgeons could only remove—or add—a phallus. “In the same way that the absence of a penis constituted a female, the presence of the organ was a way of constituting maleness for trans men,” he said. “You can see the centering of straight sexual pleasure.”
Pursuing so-called anatomical “correctness” has been the motivating goal for trans medicine for decades. “We can see in the history of trans medicine specifically—the idea that you're asking for [trans-affirming medical interventions] means that you're not really healthy enough to consent to me doing it,” he said. At the same time, he emphasized that “medical boards, licenses, and personal ethics inform what a surgeon perceives as beneficial to a patient[...] Surgeons are not just technicians-for-hire who alter bodies in whatever way a person requests.”

“The main thing I learned from the trans community is that we don't live in a binary world. So why should my treatments be binary?”

“There are quite a few surgeons that don't do [bigenital surgery],” said Curtis Crane, the founder of The Crane Center. “They believe there’s an inherent harm, that you're leaving someone halfway, in-between, and therefore, incomplete.”
Crane’s practice rejects that line of thought, as does the WPATH. “The main thing I learned from the trans community is that we don't live in a binary world. So why should my treatments be binary?”
Goltz told VICE they were initially turned away by multiple surgeons when they articulated their request for a bigential procedure. But bias impacts not only patients’ access to surgery—it can also increase risks in their post-op care, which, for many patients, is a lifelong endeavor. Vaginoplasty patients use dilators indefinitely so that their vagina doesn’t close up after healing. Orchiectomy recipients, or those who have their testes removed, must often go on testosterone to balance out their hormone levels. Those who receive a surgically constructed penis through metoidioplasty or phalloplasty often need additional surgical shaping and upkeep.
“I'm afraid to leave New York. What if something happened to my genital region and the surgeons don't even know what to do with me?” said Julien, a Brooklyn-based 26-year-old performance artist and sex worker under the name TS Hermaphrodite. He received a vagina-preserving metoidioplasty and phalloplasty in August and November of 2021, respectively. “I am chained to my surgery team for the rest of my life. Until more doctors know how to deal with this kind of surgery I can only go to them with it.”
Still, Julien said the rewards of surgery outweighed the cost of aftercare. “I would not have been a happy, full individual unless I had bottom surgery,” he said.
Back in Minnesota, Goltz recalled their early days post-op. “I woke up in the hospital bed, and I had a definite feeling of completeness,” Goltz said. One of their nurses asked them if they’d pursue chest masculinization, or top surgery, next.
“I thought about it for a minute and said, ‘I think I'm done,’” Goltz said. “I feel like me now.”
 
Degenerates like you belong on a cross
Like seriously I get it if you're into women with dicks in vagina but you know it's one famous sex therapist once said you can fantasize about whatever you want
Fantasize
I'm personally not into that freaky s*** but I personally also do not have the political power to stop you yet so until that day comes keep it in your head
 
how do you condense this collection of bizarre idiosyncrasies into one sentence without elaborating lmao. fuck this bitch's genitals, I want to know why she's a mortuary student at 42 and what insane life led to her deciding it was absolutely critical that she have a surgically constructed dick in addition to her pussy

Oh wow...
This is Hyde Goltz?! Hyde Jonathon Goltz
View attachment 3869916

It's an author apparently.
Tonight on "You Asked, Larry David's Crypto Fund Answers"- the rest of the story behind gnarly steampunk tranny "Hyde Goltz."

Originally known as Heidi Goltz, she is best known for being a Ren and Stimpy superfan who brought forth a "metoo" allegation.

The change.org petition is now removed but archived.

Hello. This is Jonathan Goltz, aka "Gerbil" online. My name hasn't always been Jonathan, though.
I come to you seeking your help. I have history with a man who absolutely must not be allowed to keep an account on Instagram. The situation at hand is dire indeed. The well-being of several minors is already at stake, and I fear there will only be more involved, the more time that is allowed to pass.
The Instagram user "johnk_human", aka John Kricfalusi, is the same person who groomed me with presents and kind letters when I was aged 12 through 14 (1992 through 1994), after I'd initially sent him fan mail for the TV show he co-created, "Ren and Stimpy." He was my "pal," as he ended all his letters.
When I got an AOL Instant Messenger account at his suggestion, he soon began prodding for details of my sex life (which he found out I already had, at that point) in our private chat, pressing for more and more information until I began having flashbacks, ran to vomit, then deleted my AIM account that night. I burned everything he sent me but his first letter (which I couldn't find at the time, but have since found, still bearing my previous name, Heidi). I used to long to be an animator, but I burned that dream along with his letters.
During our conversation, John remarked that "all those other men could just see how cute you were." Hearing this from my then-idol-- that my previous abusers were absolutely in the right-- *destroyed* what self-esteem I had left at the time, and at age 16, I attempted suicide by means of jumping in front of a train, just as soon as I was able to drive to the tracks on the outskirts of my hometown.
Somehow, I survived, though I have no evidence available of these days. When I was 22, I grew the courage to confront John over AIM about our conversation from 1994. He claimed he had no idea what I was talking about, and then proceeded to spend the next hour hitting on me, using many of the same lines he did when I was 14.
I realize I have very little tangible proof to offer, and few tools at my command, besides the truth. So I'm going to use that truth the best way I can, to raise the voices of others who believe likewise: that this man cannot be allowed to run free on a site that allows contact with minors.
The Internet already knows most of what John has done. On March 29, 2018, BuzzFeed News reported on his past with two of his survivors [link: ,https://www.buzzfeednews.com/amphtml/arianelange/john-kricfalusi-ren-stimpy-underage-sexual-abuse ], including multiple crimes which remain unpunished in court due to the statute of limitations expiring in the state where they occured (California). He has gone so far as to pay for a then-14-year-old's transportation to have sex with her for the next four years, and the list only goes on from there.
When the BuzzFeed article dropped, my first thought was "I wasn't the only one?!" I didn't want to make my own story known at that time, because I am (and thus far, the only known target of his who is) transgender, and it would've shifted the narrative in a way I didn't want if everybody had seen my name and cried, "He went after boys, too?!"
But I've got a solid year of therapy under my belt, and multiple kids' safety is at stake. I don't care about my anonymity anymore.
There are many other women I have been introduced to since last year that have similar stories to mine (the grand majority of whom have requested to remain anonymous, and I'm honoring that). They all agree, this is how John works: with kind messages, usually online. Nothing out of the ordinary. At first.
It has been brought to my attention that he has recently been liking and commenting on numerous underage fans' posts related to "Ren and Stimpy"-- and, then, deleting those comments, soon after one or both of his publicly-identified survivors online mentions that he's doing so. I have the screencaps from before these were deleted, and can provide them to Instagram as proof.
I am also aware Instagram has a private chat function. Knowing that John is able to use Instagram as a platform to reach *more* minors one-on-one makes my blood run cold.
While I can't see anything public that could get him banned under Instagram's Terms of Service, I, as well as all those undersigned, *implore* you to investigate this man for possible banning, as well as prosecution, if he indeed has already behaved inappropriately with anyone on Instagram's messaging system. He has been a serial predator, online and off, since 1992. We *cannot* allow there to be more victims in 2019.
I don't want revenge. I only want John banned from Instagram, as well as any other sites where he attempts to contact minors in the future.
John K. doesn't get to have any more "pals." This long, miserable story ends HERE.

Another gutspill can be found archived here:

A letter, to John K.
I want you to read this.

I don't need you to reply, or care, or even remember who I am.

I may be Jonathan now. But it was Heidi who tracked your studio's address down, so many years ago. Heidi, who sent you fanart. The gushing letter of admiration. Heidi, who was overjoyed to find a package in the mail one day soon after, with gifts, and art, and a letter, handsigned: Love, your pal, John K.

It was Heidi who signed up for an AOL trial as soon as she possibly could, because she'd heard in the online forums what your AIM handle was. Who contacted you out of the blue one night over twenty-two years ago, saying she wanted to be an animator just like you when she grew up. Who chatted with you even when your first reply was, "Are you hot?"

Heidi, who already had a sexual history at the age of 14, one man after another. It came up in conversation, and you were suddenly so interested in her. You went on, and on, and on. When she started stumbling over her words on the keys, you called her a tease.

She went silent. You asked where she went. And then, you probably went about your night without another thought.

Heidi couldn't answer you anymore, because she was running to throw up.

Heidi, who deleted the whole account that night. Who burned everything you sent. Everything but the very first sketch that came in the mail, which her folks had framed and stuck in a closet, "in case it was worth something someday."

Heidi, who was broken, because one of her idols ended up only being interested in the one thing that made her sick to think about. That she'd kept a secret from everyone, except for you. Who you told through all the typos, those other guys could probably just see how cute you were. Could you send a photo?

Heidi, who signed up for every Ren & Stimpy fan forum she could find, and watched everyone there trumpet your name. She said nothing, because she thought it didn't matter anymore. Nobody would ever believe her.

Heidi, who stood for hours on the train tracks in her hometown two years later, just as soon as she was taught how to drive. Waiting for the next Amtrak to come, so she could throw herself into it and finally stop hurting, for once.

Heidi, who lived, somehow.

Just not as Heidi anymore.

But you see, Jonathan... can almost understand.

Jonathan's been an alcoholic, too. Jonathan's slept with people he knows he shouldn't have. Not kids, but he knows things can happen when you drink enough not to care anymore.

Jonathan knows, you probably only really wanted to hear how Heidi traded herself to folks at the root beer stand next door for quarters, because he's heard you did something similar when you were young.

Jonathan wants you to know, you may very well be a victim. But he's living proof-- you can live without passing the fucked-up parts of you onto others. And you haven't been. You've just been making more victims. On, and on, and on. He's heard their stories. And he just wants this to end.

Jonathan is begging you to turn yourself in. To get help. With gravest sincerity.

He knows you probably won't. But he needs to at least ask you to do so.

He needs you to know the whole story. Of how what you did in a few random hours-- hours you maybe don't even remember-- almost led somebody to kill themselves over it.

And now?

I'm so, SO glad I lived. I'm so much happier now. I didn't even have the words to describe how awesome life would get, back then. I've got a loving partner, a job, gender confirmation surgery, a new house just last month, two pet chinchillas, the whole nine yards.

I am forever grateful I didn't end it all over a sad little man like you.

I can't forgive you for everything else you've done. But I can forgive you for me.

I only want this whole nightmare to end. I want there to be no more victims.

But either way, I need to get this story out of me. Into the world, for once. I need to have no more secrets.

I have next to no evidence left. All I have in the end is my voice-- but I still have that, so I'm using it. From one fucked-up fellow to another.

Please, please, please do the right thing.

Love, your pal,
Jonathan G.

So as you can see she had originally trooned all the way out to "Jonathan" and now is reeling that back to enby "Hyde" (short for Heidi, no doubt.)



This may be the funeral home she works for:
 
First of all, this sounds so mentally unhealthy.

"I can't leave the city because my dick will fall off."

Second of all, I hope his surgical team ghosts him.

Third of all, what the fuck kind of surgery is so janky that a year later you're afraid to travel.

Fourth of all, I AM CHAINED TO MY SURGERY TEAM FOR THE REST OF MY LIFE.
Some people like becoming slaves, I guess.
 
  • Like
Reactions: IAmNotAlpharius
As long as they're being sterilized and won't pass on their faulty genes and crazy notions to another generation, who cares how or why they get mutilated?
My dude, do you really believe they pass this on through genetics?

Hyde Goltz, a 42-year-old nonbinary mortuary student
Someone is trying to ensure a fresh supply of penises.
 
@Larry David's Crypto Fund
Holy Shit. I did a cursory search on her and saw that she was an author and at Sundance frolicking around in her top hat.
She looked fucking nuts, but I didn't realize she was also BPD as fuck in regards to MuhMeetwo.

She forgets one important thing in her quest to be NB. She thinks like a woman. She writes like a woman. She attacks life like a woman. Nothing about her screams a mix of both. It's all woman.
TS Hermaphrodite is a fucking lark though - he's the one "chained" to his surgery team :

1668587655079.png
Sexy. Penis AND Vagina. What a catch. Not a fetish at all. Totally talks and acts like a bloke, still.
 
I wonder what would happen if I went to one of these surgeons and said that I identify as someone with a fully functional baby arm sticking out of the front of my pubic bone?

And by "fully functional," I mean able to type, steer the car, chop veggies, 'bate, shoot a pistol, punch guys in the nuts, all that good arm shit.

And since it wouldn't be a genital, I could just leave the front of my pants open and have it stick out.

Waving at people all friendly like.

I need this in my life. It will affirm who I am.

Having regular factory genitals isn't doing it for my anymore.

I am an armsexual.
Armsexual sounds like lucas werner, with all those videos he put out about wanting to fist little girls as a replacement for his tiny dicklet

I'd like to know what the fuck is going on with the doctors who would have any part in something like this. This is shit even literal nazi death camp doctors wouldn't want anything to do with and would tell you you're fucking mental for suggesting it. That should tell them a few things
 
They think that are going to look like "hot" futa women , but will look like freaks.
There is a reason why that fethist works in animation and drawings. It is pure FANTASY.
 
Friendly reminder that nonbinary isn't a gender which means there can't be something like nonbinary genitals. What these people want is to transform their mental illness into physical illness through genital butchery.
Let me correct ya there, nonbinary genitals exist. It's a totally sewn up axe wound between your legs, with tiny little plastic tube for them to be able to pee.
 
  • Horrifying
Reactions: Onni Kalsarikännit
Tonight on "You Asked, Larry David's Crypto Fund Answers"- the rest of the story behind gnarly steampunk tranny "Hyde Goltz."

holy fucking shit lmfao. I can't tell if this is a genuine abuse victim or one of those chronically online faggots who was traumatized forever by being Almost Raped. both are fairly ripe candidate pools for troonism. the best part is "I tried to kill myself by jumping in front of a train and long story short I survived but I can't tell you how anyway I'm trans now" uhh what bitch? I suppose stranger things have happened but lmao

@Larry David's Crypto Fund
Holy Shit. I did a cursory search on her and saw that she was an author and at Sundance frolicking around in her top hat.
She looked fucking nuts, but I didn't realize she was also BPD as fuck in regards to MuhMeetwo.

She forgets one important thing in her quest to be NB. She thinks like a woman. She writes like a woman. She attacks life like a woman. Nothing about her screams a mix of both. It's all woman.
TS Hermaphrodite is a fucking lark though - he's the one "chained" to his surgery team :

View attachment 3874188
Sexy. Penis AND Vagina. What a catch. Not a fetish at all. Totally talks and acts like a bloke, still.

Life is art. Everything is art. Standing in a public place with your junk out and a stupid ass look on your face is art. BECOME IMMORTAL.

art.jpg
 
Back