Transitioning - chop dick off + drugs = sound mind???

[Chiang Kai-shek]

The recent threads on Trans parenting mom and Milo Stewart got me thinking about the concept of transitioning. Is it really a good idea? While it does have the potential to cure dysphoria it comes with a very long list of downsides (many of which are likeky to permanently fuck you up) and is irreversible. So I'm asking this: is going through the process of transitioning a good idea despite the massive health risks? Should it be banned as a medical practice, allowed only under certain circumstances, or continued as is? Any other thoughts on transitioning are welcome and encouraged.

 

[Lurkman]

It's probably not a good idea and Milo Stewart would be making a horrible mistake if she/he/it tried to change genders

 

[Squealer]

I am transitioning to learning how to use a revolver

 

[John Furrman]

I'm transitioning to second gear. I am trans-mission. Please donate to my patreon.

 

[Electric Eye]

So I'm asking this: is going through the process of transitioning a good idea despite the massive health risks?

Hell of a question. One of the most prominent studies about this exact topic (that I'm aware of) had this to say about it:

"325 consecutive adolescent and adult applicants for sex reassignment participated: 222 started hormone treatment, 103 did not; 188 completed and 34 dropped out of treatment. Only data of the 162 adults were used to evaluate treatment. Results between subgroups were compared to determine post-operative differences. Adults and adolescents were included to study predictors of treatment course and outcome."

"...After treatment the group was no longer gender dysphoric. The vast majority functioned quite well psychologically, socially and sexually. Two non-homosexual male-to-female transsexuals expressed regrets."

"...The results substantiate previous conclusions that sex reassignment is effective. Still, clinicians need to be alert for non-homosexual male-to-females with unfavourable psychological functioning and physical appearance and inconsistent gender dysphoria reports, as these are risk factors for dropping out and poor post-operative results. If they are considered eligible, they may require additional therapeutic guidance during or even after treatment."

I haven't read the Milo Stewart thread (or know who they are) so I can't really say anything about them.

 

[sapir&worf]

On the whole 'trans children' debate, the hormone blocker drug they use can have some awful side effects and is really not safe. Adult women who have taken it for endometriosis have reported general permanent nastiness after taking the drug- it can wear down bone and one woman ended up with a massive bone cyst years later in her hip where the injections were given.

https://www.nwhn.org/lupron-what-does-it-do-to-womens-health/

 

[Watcher]

Most trannies don't age well. They typically start looking like men in drag

 

[John Furrman]

Most trannies don't age well. They typically start looking like men in drag

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That looks like tranny GabeN.

 

[Ntwadumela]

Most trannies don't age well. They typically start looking like men in drag

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Most of them are men in drag, though.

 

[Watcher]

Most of them are men in drag, though.

That's trannies in a nutshell

 

[drain]

allowed only under certain circumstances

Yes. I think that, if the person really, really, really suffer from strong gender dysphoria, they should undergo extensive psychological tests and therapy. If the dysphoria is totally legit, then the surgery is allowed.
Despite our dear troons spitting totally made out numbers, saying that almost all people are trans, the true trans people (not the transtrenders we have today) represents a very small percentage.
True transexuals are suffering because their dysphoria, and the ones that whine on social media, are violent, or show up on other people's houses to try to kill them are all troons/transtrenders that shouldn't be allowed to undergo surgery.

 

[Ninja_Warrior]

I think transitioning is a good idea, the best way to transition is with a shotgun under your throat, just pull the magic trigger and your transition is complete!

 

[Watcher]

Yes. I think that, if the person really, really, really suffer from strong gender dysphoria, they should undergo extensive psychological tests and therapy. If the dysphoria is totally legit, then the surgery is allowed.
Despite our dear troons spitting totally made out numbers, saying that almost all people are trans, the true trans people (not the transtrenders we have today) represents a very small percentage.
True transexuals are suffering because their dysphoria, and the ones that whine on social media, are violent, or show up on other people's houses to try to kill them are all troons/transtrenders that shouldn't be allowed to undergo surgery.

The problem with this is it encourages trannies to do more crazy things to be seen as having "strong gender dysphoria". Like self mutilation.

the fact of the matter is that it becomes a no true scottsman's fallacy to claim that there are "true" trannies. Because when you get right down to it dysphoria is just an intense insecurity about your physical appearance. And decades ago we taught children to accept your appearance and not to correct it with surgery

Honestly if we're encouraging trannies to correct their appearances with surgery we should also start mandating that all teenage girls should get breast augmentation surgery just because they feel insecure about it.

 

[drain]

The problem with this is it encourages trannies to do more crazy things to be seen as having "strong gender dysphoria". Like self mutilation.

the fact of the matter is that it becomes a no true scottsman's fallacy to claim that there are "true" trannies. Because when you get right down to it dysphoria is just an intense insecurity about your physical appearance. And decades ago we taught children to accept your appearance and not to correct it with surgery

Honestly if we're encouraging trannies to correct their appearances with surgery we should also start mandating that all teenage girls should get breast augmentation surgery just because they feel insecure about it.

So the best thing to do is forbidding people to do these types of surgery? I'm honest curious

 

[Watcher]

So the best thing to do is forbidding people to do these types of surgery? I'm honest curious

no it shouldn't be illegal

but if you're going to get into the subject of giving government grants to people in order to get gender reassignment surgery then it's a different story entirely.

 

[DatBepisTho]

Eh. If they're disphoric enough it causes some hardcore distress, but I'm not sure I agree with the lengths they go to try to become the opposite sex. Those are wounds that aren't allowed to heal, after all, and the hormones seem to do some serious harm in the incorrect doses.

-Then again I'm sort of a fan of the old-school crossdressers who lived as the opposite sex and weren't found out until they died. That was some seriously good acting skills and poise transtrenders should fucking learn if they want to play at being trans.

 

[drain]

but if you're going to get into the subject of giving government grants to people in order to get gender reassignment surgery then it's a different story entirely.

What's your thoughts on the matter? I want to hear different opinions about this subject, since I'm interested in what other users think about it

 

[Watcher]

What's your thoughts on the matter? I want to hear different opinions about this subject, since I'm interested in what other users think about it

Gender reassignment surgery already requires some psychological counsel in order to even get referred to a doctor who can do it. And that's if you're floating your own bill.

I don't think that the tax payer should float the bill on what is ultimately a cosmetic surgery.

Eh. If they're disphoric enough it causes some hardcore distress, but I'm not sure I agree with the lengths they go to try to become the opposite sex. Those are wounds that aren't allowed to heal, after all, and the hormones seem to do some serious harm in the incorrect doses.

-Then again I'm sort of a fan of the old-school crossdressers who lived as the opposite sex and weren't found out until they died. That was some seriously good acting skills and poise transtrenders should fucking learn if they want to play at being trans.

The problem I have with "hard distress" is that people can fake distress. Like people can just attempt to self mutilate and claim that's distress.

In terms of "play at being trans". Milo pointed out that transgenderism has been a meritocracy until relatively recently due to the concept of passing. It's only more recently people have started attempting to mandate into law things like anti discrimination against trans people who don't already pass. Since in the past if a trans person already looked like a chick and had a vag very few people would even notice.

It's entirely people who look like men in drag wanting to piss sitting down next to women that people were annoyed by.

 

[Positron]

Destroying your healthy genitals will not cure your diseased brain.

 

[Watcher]

Destroying your healthy genitals will not cure your diseased brain.

This ties into something else

A lot of trannies blame the problems in their lives on one thing. IE: Their Dysphoria. When in reality it's usually the dysphoria is manifesting from much deeper psychological problems. Like that they're overly sensitive, care about what people think too much or are very insecure about themselves. You can also see this with how many trannies even after getting the surgery still have the exact same psychological issues and many regret doing the procedure or attempt suicide.

You can also see it with how a very large amount of trannies are jobless and often want some system in-place so they are given gender reassignment surgery. Rather than work for it.

I've talked to a lot of trannies that describe their problems almost like they're insurmountable. I spoke to one who lived with his parents and I asked him why he didn't have a job. Well it was because he lived out in the country. I asked him why he didn't move. Well he said because he didn't know anyone else. So I asked him why he didn't get onto a government program to help him find a job and move out (since those existed in the state he lived in), and he said he would need to be driven to a government office to apply for such a thing. In this instance he was looking for ways to avoid having to do the work and actually accomplish his goals. And it's depressing that all of their problems mostly amount from a lack of ambition and a general coddling during childhood and that having an actual work ethic would fix it.