Trolling Ethics Debate Thread

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Honestly I'd be up for seeing some of his college writing, if that's still around lmao
(This is not a subtle message to anyone to go intentionally looking for it, though, just a statement)
 
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Absinthe said:
This homework discussion raises another ethical question: does Chris no longer have the same right to/expectation of privacy as an ordinary person?
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Good question. Does the right to privacy extend to a ruin? Because this wasn't like Skyraider just hopped into a dumpster outside 14BC, or routed through the bin, he was on the site after the fire and spotted the papers in the wreckage. That's not ethically troubling for me, he just scooped something up that would be dumped anyway. Very different from, say, going through the trash at Chris's rental house
 
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Atlas 95 said:
Good question. Does the right to privacy extend to a ruin? Because this wasn't like Skyraider just hopped into a dumpster outside 14BC, or routed through the bin, he was on the site after the fire and spotted the papers in the wreckage. That's not ethically troubling for me, he just scooped something up that would be dumped anyway. Very different from, say, going through the trash at Chris's rental house
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To me the act in of its self is not what's troubling, it's who Chris blames for it, he thinks it's some kid a few doors away an with him being quick on the pepper spray, I don't want to see a 3rd party harmed (or animal, lest we forget his claims about getting a cat put down).

He is a coward, but when he has a game changer like a weapon, feels like he has a excuse an thinks he can get away with it he is more likely to have one of his little moments.
 
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Absinthe said:
This homework discussion raises another ethical question: does Chris no longer have the same right to/expectation of privacy as an ordinary person?
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No.

Chris has a right to privacy on par with a celebrity (because he is one). For example, if you broke into Britney Spears' house to steal pictures of her, she could reasonably call the cops and have people arrested. But paparazzi taking pictures of her publicly on the street? That's a natural consequence of fame.

Of course, the scale of the two situations are completely different. Chris is more like an obscure D-list celebrity.
 
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Marvin said:
No.

Chris has a right to privacy on par with a celebrity (because he is one). For example, if you broke into Britney Spears' house to steal pictures of her, she could reasonably call the cops and have people arrested. But paparazzi taking pictures of her publicly on the street? That's a natural consequence of fame.

Of course, the scale of the two situations are completely different. Chris is more like an obscure D-list celebrity.
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I'd have to agree with this. He whored himself for the attention he wanted, now he got what he wanted and it's not what he expected. It is, however, a reasonable consequence of his actions.

Like I told someone years ago, don't play with fire if you're afraid of being burned.
 
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Absinthe said:
This homework discussion raises another ethical question: does Chris no longer have the same right to/expectation of privacy as an ordinary person?
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drtoboggan said:
I'd have to agree with this. He whored himself for the attention he wanted, now he got what he wanted and it's not what he expected. It is, however, a reasonable consequence of his actions.

Like I told someone years ago, don't play with fire if you're afraid of being burned.
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This is one way of looking at it. He was happy to be a "celebrity" when things were apparently going his way, but all celebrities get "trolled" to some extent. All these celebs who get snapped topless on the beach or stumbling drunkenly out of a club are undergoing the same thing.

On the other hand, how much expectation of privacy does an ordinary person have? As a matter of course, we don't reveal more personal information than we need to, because while the world isn't conspiring against us, we know that there are those who could use it against us. Chris was stupid about revealing his details. Would you give your PSN password to a woman you'd never even met in person? Would you tell your enemies that you shit yourself? Would you put your address all over the Internet? Every invasion of privacy he's suffered has followed on from his own inability to keep his mouth shut.
 
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Tragi-Chan said:
On the other hand, how much expectation of privacy does an ordinary person have? As a matter of course, we don't reveal more personal information than we need to, because while the world isn't conspiring against us, we know that there are those who could use it against us. Chris was stupid about revealing his details. Would you give your PSN password to a woman you'd never even met in person? Would you tell your enemies that you shit yourself? Would you put your address all over the Internet? Every invasion of privacy he's suffered has followed on from his own inability to keep his mouth shut.
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I think your argument would be more valid if you weren't talking about an autistic person. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying his autism justifies his horrible behavior, but you're basically pointing at a mentally impaired person and saying it's totally his fault for being manipulated.
 
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The Other Chandler said:
I think your argument would be more valid if you weren't talking about an autistic person. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying his autism justifies his horrible behavior, but you're basically pointing at a mentally impaired person and saying it's totally his fault for being manipulated.
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chris's stupidity about his own personal information should be chalked up to naivete, not autism
 
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drtoboggan said:
I'd have to agree with this. He whored himself for the attention he wanted, now he got what he wanted and it's not what he expected. It is, however, a reasonable consequence of his actions.

Like I told someone years ago, don't play with fire if you're afraid of being burned.
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I don't disagree that Chris should expect to have the same level of privacy as a celebrity but did he expect his videos to get a lot of attention?

I know he wanted his comics to become popular but the videos he uploaded were usually aimed at specific people.
 
I agree to an extent. His videos did often address a person or group, but he had unrealistic expectations of fame & fortune. Sadly, he got what he wanted, if medallion sales count.
 
I have heard it said this way... a master troll can piss you off and make you not know why you're pissed off. As in - you don't even know why you're angry. Meaning the people who have Chris paranoid to this day are good trolls. That he's always worrying about and angry about despite the fact that, well, most people have just stopped trolling him altogether.

A bad troll is just a dick. -Shrugs.-

Just my observations on the ethics of it. What Blue Spike did? Bad troll - a complete dick. Clyde and the PandaHalo - pretty genius because it was just online interaction and, well, causing people physical pain isn't funny - in the previous example. Chris shows a true lack of empathy for his fellow man in numerous ways (unable to relate). A trip and fall is funny, yes. I may be new to seeing Chris, but I've been through practically every page of the wiki, read through the forums, and watched a large chunk of the videos, but it wasn't until I saw the documentary that I thought about it.

Just saying, in my opinion - his trip and falls (tomgirl, destroying his Playstation, and thinking himself more clever than he was) are much more funny than the thought of him going to jail or ruining his own life in such a manner (losing his tugboat, unable to get a large number of jobs because of the charges, and so forth).

My opinion comes from back in my trolling days when I was younger - chatango, yahoo chats, and so forth. There's a difference in humiliating someone and letting them humiliate themselves, rather than causing them physical harm or causing them to harm themselves or do illegal things.
 
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