Diseased TV Tropes community

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Science Court was literally for 8 year olds
 
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Bluestar said:
This is kind of off topic, but the YouTube channel “Overly Sarcastic Productions” is full of the TVtropes brand of media analysis and it makes me want to KMS. Red is a person who’s gotten her entire brand of media literacy from obsessing over trope articles. She’s not a lolcow (though the other person on her channel, the history guy, makes terrible videos) but she’s introducing a whole new generation to this shit-tier tvtropes type discussion. She also talks about fucking children’s media like it’s the gospel for narrative writing, to the extent of prioritizing it over actual classics. I also hold a grudge against her for saying 2001 actually sucked but that’s just me being petty.

I like mythology stuff so I run into her content constantly which is annoying because she deliberately sanitizes all her myths (Persephone and Hades totally isn’t rape guyzzz), interprets anything possible as LGBT (like saying the goddess Artemis is “Demiromantic” or some bullshit) and just reads off wikipedia for half her videos. Also general SocJus shit. And yet they have 2 million subscribers from having the most surface level discussion imaginable.

The way she talks is like a walking TvTropes article.

I think the way TvTropes looks at media has to be the most genuinely unproductive way to look at any narrative. Isolating narrative blocks down to tropes, isolated Things that Happen, leads to this bullshit reductive discussion, which is why the entire website is crippled by autism and obsessions with children’s media. It was doomed from the get go.
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Rosy Reptile said:
I've seen a lot of her myth videos and had a lot of fun with the Stanger in a Strange Land recap. I just skip the "trope talk" videos and that worked for a while. I'm not sure if her videos are leaning harder on the LGBT+ cultism and general Moloch worship or if I'm just becoming less tolerant, but even the stuff I liked feels like it's getting harder to watch these days. Makes you feel unclean in a way.

I really do think that it has everything to do with the place from which they're analyzing these stories, and that's something that equally applies to the TVT crowd. They're interpreting stories about the human condition through their own infantile, narcissistic, and frivolous 21st century Western understanding of what it means to be a human being.

Of course, we all do that to an extent. None of us are untainted by our milieu. The difference is that these people aren't trying to escape it. To them, mythology and history don't seem to be windows into a more serious and meaningful world that has the power to transform a person. They never stop to think that maybe man is more than a creature that consumes media and ships anime characters. They love the old architecture, but don't get that you can't have that without the beliefs that go with it. The stories are just another form of passive entertainment, except this one makes you look brainy to your subreddit.

I hope that's not too unfair, and I think it applies more as a general rule than to any specific person.
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Gondolindrim said:
I do like her content but you've said it the best, Red talks about serious cultural myths that form the basis of entire lifestyles with the same reverence you'd give some bullshit cartoon. Especially when she has to stop her storytelling to talk about how it makes HER feel. She comes off like a manchild that wants to do serious literary analysis but never escaped her teenage tumblr phase.
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I agree with this for the most part, except I have a higher tolerance for OSP. You need a high tolerance for cringe to do anything nowadays, especially to enter creative/literary fields. Their irreverence might be modernity, but I always thought of it as intentional comedy. The Heinlein episode was hilarious for example. Trope Talks can be useful because of my next point.

Tropers think that TvTropes is the magic key to literary analysis, to understanding all stories. Instead, it's the magic key to classifying them according to a popular early 21st century American perspective. It's in the name - Television Tropes. It can be helpful if you want to write a story for this audience or understand this audience.

That said, your argument leans a bit too heavily into "old things = good, so new things = bad" and when someone does that they fall into snobbery. How is an ancient myth better than a modern myth? The Ancient Greeks had the demigod, centuries from now they'll say that the Old Americans had the superhero. Both provide an understanding of their origin culture through the use of timeless human themes. Not every story from our time is mindless and insignificant.
 
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The Cunting Death said:
alt-right just means "thing i dont agree with"
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It's something invented by retards who aren't retarded enough not to realize that just calling everyone Nazis over and over again for completely trivial shit makes them look even more retarded. It's really just a way to call someone a Nazi without actually doing that.
 
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The latest Challenger to be hauled onto the Trope Launch Pad is called Nationalism is Destructive. Well, actually it's a month old, so it might have been mentioned here before.

Odd that it wasn't fast tracked considering the ideology behind it.
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All the classic "my mind is in college but my heart is in middle school" examples are here.

We've got Warrior Cats
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A book they make you read in school and The Legend of Korra
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(Full of grammatical errors. Note the British spelling)

And of course Avatar
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(That second paragraph has big fedora energy)

The Einstein quote, for the curious:
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(At least they're trying to be honest about their feelings)
 
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Was reading something else entirely and realized this podcast I listened to happened to make the perfect rebuttal to TVTropes.

You mentioned the image of the tower and the pile of stones. Tolkien actually uses exactly that image in his image called, “Beowulf: The Monsters and the Critics,” in which he is complaining about the way critics look at Beowulf, this epic poem in Old English, and they just want to look at the parts and the influences and that sort of thing. And for them, that’s what Beowulf is. He’s like: no, no, no, no. Beowulf is this poem as it is; that the bones that you put into the soup are maybe interesting, but the point is the soup.​
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He talks specifically about a tower and how people came and knocked down the tower because they wanted to analyze which stones came from an old house nearby and which were those quarried from here or there, but he said, but he could see the ocean from the tower. So he’s making the point—he’s talking about story-telling and literature, but he’s making the point in another way, that the way that this story functions, by being Beowulf, that’s what it is. Certainly we can look at all the influences that went into it and so forth, and that can maybe deepen our understanding, but if that’s all we think it is, then we’re missing the thing that it actually is.​
 
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According to TVT, the main lesson of Mushoku Tensei is not:
-Porn addiction is bad
-Being a NEET is bad
-Giving up too easily is bad
-If you get a second chance, take it and run with it
Or any other lesson that a reader/viewer would likely get out of it, no, the real lesson here is respect whamen:
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In other news, here they are claiming that an obvious crossdressing gag character is actually a totes heckin' valid woman because of a couple jokes. It's now TVT policy to call all crossdressers they/thems now, apparently.
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A.P. Hill said:
According to TVT, the main lesson of Mushoku Tensei is not:
-Porn addiction is bad
-Being a NEET is bad
-Giving up too easily is bad
-If you get a second chance, take it and run with it
Or any other lesson that a reader/viewer would likely get out of it, no, the real lesson here is respect whamen:
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In other news, here they are claiming that an obvious crossdressing gag character is actually a totes heckin' valid woman because of a couple jokes. It's now TVT policy to call all crossdressers they/thems now, apparently.
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So is Norman Bates considered a trannie or non-binary now? I mean they/them kind of fits his personality disorder ironically
 
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