Twitter blocks post from White House science adviser Scott Atlas

Twitter blocks post from White House science adviser Scott Atlas

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2020/OCT/19 - Mark Moore (NY Post)

Twitter blocked a post from top White House coronavirus adviser Scott Atlas on Sunday that questioned the use of masks as a means of curbing the spread of the illness. Atlas, who joined the White House in August, wrote, “Masks work? NO,” while adding that the widespread use of face coverings is not supported by evidence.


“Masks work? NO: LA, Miami, Hawaii, Alabama, France, Phlippines, UK, Spain, Israel. WHO: widesprd use not supported’ + many harms; Heneghan/Oxf CEBM: ‘despite decades, considerble uncertainty re value’; CDC rvw May:’no sig red’n in inflnz transm’n’; learn why,” the top doctor wrote. A spokesperson for the social media company told the Associated Press that the tweet violated its policy of sharing false or misleading information about the coronavirus that could lead to harm. Atlas, the former chief of neuroradiology at Stanford University Medical Center, said Twitter’s action amounted to censorship.

“I don’t understand why the tweets were deleted,” Atlas said in an email to the wire service. He said his post meant to show that “general population masks and mask mandates do not work” and pointed out that they should be used when people cannot socially distance. Despite mask mandates, coronavirus cases exploded in Los Angeles County, Miami-Dade County, Hawaii, Alabama, the Philippines and Japan. The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention recommend people wear masks in public settings like grocery stores, pharmacies, where social distancing is difficult because infected people who do not show symptoms of the disease can still be contagious.

 

[MembersSchoolPizza]

From what I understand, the reason asymptomatic spread happens is that people are still contagious before they show symptoms. So if you have it and are on, for example, day 3, you'd still be contagious even though you won't show symptoms for another few days.

Studies explore asymptomatic COVID-19 cases, racial inequities

Blacks and Hispanics were 1.9 and 1.8 times, respectively, more likely than whites to test positive.

www.cidrap.umn.edu

That's not an asymptomatic carrier, it's a pre-symptomatic one. That's one of the things the presentation by Van Kerkhove touched on; they weren't distinguishing between the two, but they should have been.

 

[Hollywood Hulk Hogan]

That's not an asymptomatic carrier, it's a pre-symptomatic one. That's one of the things the presentation by Van Kerkhove touched on; they weren't distinguishing between the two, but they should have been.

Right, but there's no way to know if you, as an individual, are one or the other, which is kind of the whole point. You can not show symptoms and still be contagious

 

[Disc]

I don't care whether you think he's in the right or wrong, this fucker needs to learn about the power of (1/3).

 

[longtimelurkerfirsttimepo]

This mask/no mask thing being divided by political lines is fucked. Masks actually help and to have this thing being some way to own the libs, as well as bait twitter into suspending/banning political figures to drum-up support to ruin the internet by repealing section 230 is pretty bad, to be honest.

This entire communist cough being politicised has muddied the waters with disinformation and is going to bite everyone in the arse.

 

[Fanatical Pragmatist]

Come for the news about GEOTUS/Bad Orange Man's newest spat with Twitter.

Stay for the COVID transmission & severity debate.

 

[Hollywood Hulk Hogan]

This mask/no mask thing being divided by political lines is fucked. Masks actually help and to have this thing being some way to own the libs, as well as bait twitter into suspending/banning political figures to drum-up support to ruin the internet by repealing section 230 is pretty bad, to be honest.

This entire communist cough being politicised has muddied the waters with disinformation and is going to bite everyone in the arse.

Trumpers gotta say masks don't work because Dear Leader says they don't, despite medical science saying otherwise. See how mad they are in this thread (i.e. @Fanatical Pragmatist is) even when I provide evidence they do.

 

[longtimelurkerfirsttimepo]

Come for the news about GEOTUS/Bad Orange Man's newest spat with Twitter.

Maybe someone who has politicised his followers into not wearing masks actually is bad. Not to mention leading along the whole Q-anon cult and instead of speaking clearly, tailoring messages to play both sides while maintaining playable deniability.

Along with the politicisation of the wu-flu, we have people who will never accept that maybe the actions of trump are actually bad.

America is tearing itself apart and all people have to say is "based and redpilled 4d chess lol"

 

[muh_moobs]

So is there definitive proof that asymptomatic people are carrier or is it just, they "maybes"? Because im not big on following policies on maybes. Especially from an organization whose flip flopped with mask are good or dont do anything several times.

Also its hard to take medical instution serious when protest were fine because racism is an even worse problem than covid apparently. This made it clear to me that all this is political and covid is greatly exagerated.

It's largely "maybes". Alberta completed over 1 million tests of individuals without symptoms, and found that only 7 in 10,000 individuals without symptoms were COVID positive.

Posting this after reading ahead and seeing Hulk's post about "pre-symptomatic" spread, there's probably something to that, but not enough to justify drastically re-shaping society as the left demands that we do.

Alberta ends broad asymptomatic testing as flu season approaches; 146 new cases

Alberta is pressing pause on asymptomatic COVID-19 testing ahead of an expected surge in demand for tests this fall

calgaryherald.com

Ultimately, transmission rates are so low and recovery rates so high that it is patently obvious what this was all really about; attacking the economy. Why else did so many western nations wait until a domestic crisis was already taking place to restrict travel? At least in Canada, we were asking the government to close the borders in January but the turd just laughed and replied "lol no, dat wud be waysis". And then all of a sudden everyone was under house arrest.

 

[Fanatical Pragmatist]

Trumpers gotta say masks don't work because Dear Leader says they don't, despite medical science saying otherwise. See how mad they are in this thread (i.e. @Fanatical Pragmatist is) even when I provide evidence they do.

Maybe someone who has politicised his followers into not wearing masks actually is bad. Not to mention leading along the whole Q-anon cult and instead of speaking clearly, tailoring messages to play both sides while maintaining playable deniability.

Dafuq do Q-Boomers have to do with Dudley Varus?

 

[longtimelurkerfirsttimepo]

It's largely "maybes". Alberta completed over 1 million tests of individuals without symptoms, and found that only 7 in 10,000 individuals without symptoms were COVID positive.

Posting this after reading ahead and seeing Hulk's post about "pre-symptomatic" spread, there's probably something to that, but not enough to justify drastically re-shaping society as the left demands that we do.

Alberta ends broad asymptomatic testing as flu season approaches; 146 new cases

Alberta is pressing pause on asymptomatic COVID-19 testing ahead of an expected surge in demand for tests this fall

calgaryherald.com

Ultimately, transmission rates are so low and recovery rates so high that it is patently obvious what this was all really about; attacking the economy. Why else did so many western nations wait until a domestic crisis was already taking place to restrict travel? At least in Canada, we were asking the government to close the borders in January but the turd just laughed and replied "lol no, dat wud be waysis". And then all of a sudden everyone was under house arrest.

"justify drastically re-shaping society as the left demands that we do. "
>Wear masks
>You're literally forcing me into a gas chamber
With what warped perspective do you justify the wearing of masks as some kind of "reshaping of society"?

I'm not gonna pretend like the rich haven't profited greatly from covid, nor that countries weren't slow to respond or that the disgusting politicisation of the issue didn't fuck everyone over (think Italy and their person not a virus campaign, or whatever it was. Keep in mind that Italy gets a lot of tourism from China and they do want to appease Xi.) but consider just maybe an unknown virus that spreads well and kills off the sick, the old and may have permanent consequences for the otherwise healthy, isn't the best thing to let run rampant.

 

[Crazedking]

Maybe someone who has politicised his followers into not wearing masks actually is bad. Not to mention leading along the whole Q-anon cult and instead of speaking clearly, tailoring messages to play both sides while maintaining playable deniability.

Along with the politicisation of the wu-flu, we have people who will never accept that maybe the actions of trump are actually bad.

America is tearing itself apart and all people have to say is "based and redpilled 4d chess lol"

Didnt trump want to close the border to china very early on this year and was called out as a racist? Meanwhile i think trump is doing fine in his position concerning the covid, as its not his responsability to handle specifics restriction beyond locking down travel from other countries. Hes left the states to work it out by themselves which i think is fine. Blaming every single thing on trump because orange man bad has been such an easy way to handwave responsabilities of people, the cities and the states.

Anyway my personal opinion on how to handle things is for the government to be more hands off. I think people should wear a mask if they are sick or were in contact with someone that were sick but mask shouldnt be mandatory. Forcing business to close down i am greatly agaisnt as its tyrannical at its core to use this fearmongering that has put out many people out of jobs and small to medium business forced to close down and some will NEVER recover from this.

I think the limit of the government should be to promoting awareness of hygiene and helping manufacturing of protective measure such as handgel (and its dispenser), plexiglass, reusable mask (Another issue is coming up with throw-away mask), etc.

We already have sanitary laws for the food industry, if those needs to be strenghtened then its another thing that can be looked into. But beyond that, people have causes to protest because it nevers stops once you give an inch.

 

[muh_moobs]

"justify drastically re-shaping society as the left demands that we do. "
>Wear masks
>You're literally forcing me into a gas chamber
With what warped perspective do you justify the wearing of masks as some kind of "reshaping of society"?

I'm not gonna pretend like the rich haven't profited greatly from covid, nor that countries weren't slow to respond or that the disgusting politicisation of the issue didn't fuck everyone over (think Italy and their person not a virus campaign, or whatever it was. Keep in mind that Italy gets a lot of tourism from China and they do want to appease Xi.) but consider just maybe an unknown virus that spreads well and kills off the sick, the old and may have permanent consequences for the otherwise healthy, isn't the best thing to let run rampant.

-Stay in your pods and consume
-Report your neighbors for being outside
-You can't go to church or have a funeral service any longer
-Demand that people wear masks even though there is medical evidence that masks are hazardous to your health
-Demand that people with airway/breathing conditions wear masks regardless of the harm that will be imposed on them
-No mask, no commerce.
-Push to shut down education institutions
-Restrictions on civil rights.

No, it's not just masks. It that the governments of the world have asked that people sacrifice their rights to freedom of mobility, religion, and association, followed by their roll-out of the new "mark of the beast" dictating who can and cannot conduct commerce. No longer can you even chose how you dress when stepping out of your own home.

And last time I checked, the US is not the Islamic Republic of Iran.

And nothing you try to offer up justifies any of the actions of government. Influenza kills off the sick and the old and can have permanent consequences for the otherwise healthy. The common cold kills of the sick and the old and can have permanent consequences for the otherwise healthy. But we all just go on with life as normal.

As we did during any of a dozen other global pandemics.

 

[Robert James]

Well twitters putting it all on Biden aren't they.

 

[longtimelurkerfirsttimepo]

I think the extent of the lockdowns are bullshit too, and are going to cause extreme damage to peoples lives. I don't really have a great answer to fix it, aside from killing bankers, breaking up monopolies that have formed and keeping manufacturing local.

I point out trump because people have been riding his dick hard and think of him as the second coming of Christ. His words and actions matter and influence a lot of people. It's been irresponsible of him to make the comments that he has, in regards to the masks and the legitimacy of the dangers of the virus. It's certainly been the media as well, but this hardcore anti-mask rhetoric that is almost exclusive to the right Jane come from nowhere.

-Stay in your pods and consume
-Report your neighbors for being outside
-You can't go to church or have a funeral service any longer
-Demand that people wear masks even though there is medical evidence that masks are hazardous to your health
-Demand that people with airway/breathing conditions wear masks regardless of the harm that will be imposed on them
-No mask, no commerce.
-Push to shut down education institutions
-Restrictions on civil rights.

No, it's not just masks. It that the governments of the world have asked that people sacrifice their rights to freedom of mobility, religion, and association, followed by their roll-out of the new "mark of the beast" dictating who can and cannot conduct commerce. No longer can you even chose how you dress when stepping out of your own home.

And last time I checked, the US is not the Islamic Republic of Iran.

And nothing you try to offer up justifies any of the actions of government. Influenza kills off the sick and the old and can have permanent consequences for the otherwise healthy. The common cold kills of the sick and the old and can have permanent consequences for the otherwise healthy. But we all just go on with life as normal.

As we did during any of a dozen other global pandemics.

I'm sure you're going to get brain damage from lack of oxygen wearing the mask. I also read that infowars article. The education system is garbage anyway, don't pretend you think it made such a great impact on your life. 1-12 is daycare prepping you for a 9-5 working under your boss, and higher education has become a terrible money sink and also a scam in many cases. (Gender studies for 20k a year anyone?) The whole civil rights thing is just such a ridiculous premise, it's potentially a bad pandemic, shit happens. It's my right to drive my car through your house, feelings be damned. Are you some kind of liberal lol?

That whole mark of the beast shit is so fucking gay man, religion is cancer. Having to wear a mask is equivalent to something like a niqab?

You may as well just say that masks are genocide and be done with it.

 

[SuperDeeDuper]

ruin the internet by repealing section 230

yes it would be really terrible if giant billion-dollar megacorporations couldn't hide behind the law to selectively enforce their terms of service against political views they don't like, i would hate that very much. lefties being able to post about killing people they don't like is very good and cool

 

[Fanatical Pragmatist]

"justify drastically re-shaping society as the left demands that we do. "
>Wear masks
>You're literally forcing me into a gas chamber
With what warped perspective do you justify the wearing of masks as some kind of "reshaping of society"?

Wearing a stupid mask isn't reshaping society, "muh new normal" is reshaping society.

Expecting businesses to operate at half-capacity is reshaping society, trying to keep young people from socializing on the weekends is reshaping society, trying to keep churches closed is reshaping society, telling people not to celebrate holidays (religious, national or otherwise) is reshaping society, keeping kids out of school for a virus that hardly fucking effects them is reshaping society; worst of all in the context of this thread, Big Tech deciding they are the sole deciders of what is and what isn't "misinformation" and getting to censor everything they don't like is reshaping society.

Quite honestly, I don't really give a damn about the masks. I actually think its funny that 10 months ago I would have had the cops called on me for wearing a mask into the liquor store, now its fucking encouraged.
I'll wear my silly little mask if it makes the weak & vulnerable feel better about their odds, but I've had to wear an actual respirator (which included shaving my facial hair & changing out cartridges twice a day) because we were working around fungal spores - and a fungal spore is a lot bigger than a virus.

I don't really have a great answer to fix it, aside from killing bankers, breaking up monopolies that have formed and keeping manufacturing local.

"I don't really have a great answer to fix it, aside from shit that sounds like a socialist wet dream. Anyways, how is this reshaping society ???"

You and the damn "infinity lockdowns while we live off UBI!11" crowd...

but consider just maybe an unknown virus

It's not unknown.

It's literally a strain of the species sarbecoronavirus in the Genus Betacoronavirus in the family Coronaviridae.
Most sources are now settling in and the consensus is leaning towards an IFR of around 0.2-0.4%, while the whole "muh no immunity!" angle losses credibility by the day. Doctors & medical researchers have had a solid pathology profile on this thing for months now.

 

[Dante Alighieri]

I'll wear my silly little mask if it makes the weak & vulnerable feel better about their odds, but I've had to wear an actual respirator (which included shaving my facial hair & changing out cartridges twice a day) because we were working around fungal spores - and a fungal spore is a lot bigger than a virus.

Welcome to security theater, where the retards get a simple message to parrot around ("wear a mask, save grandma!") when the science just doesn't line up.

 

[melty]

Social media fact checking shouldn't even be a political issue. It's an inane idea nobody should want. Already, the white house science adviser is not a good enough scientist for holy Twitter, apparently.
Just imagine the first time Nestle demands a "fact check" because they didn't technically kill babies, those babies starved by themselves and here's the science to back it up. Sadly, it will take something like that for lefties to see what a fucking horrible idea this is, when it should be fairly obvious in the first place.
We don't even need legislation imo, just wait for the first case where it actually affects some lefty cause.

 

[Milk Mage]

If we're still doing this lockdown shit in 2021, I'm just gonna start coughing on niggas.

Wasn't this supposed to be a thread about Twitter or something?

 

[WolfeTone]

Scott Atlas, why do these people have such generic names. Tom Blackstone, Dick Wolfwood, Greg GlobalDomination. Where are they 3D printing these Chads?