US U.S. judge overturns California’s ban on assault weapons

U.S. judge overturns California’s ban on assault weapons​

DON THOMPSON
Fri, June 4, 2021, 9:24 PM
SACRAMENTO, Calif. (AP) — A federal judge Friday overturned California’s three-decade-old ban on assault weapons, ruling that it violates the constitutional right to bear arms.
U.S. District Judge Roger Benitez of San Diego ruled that the state’s definition of illegal military-style rifles unlawfully deprives law-abiding Californians of weapons commonly allowed in most other states and by the U.S. Supreme Court.

“Under no level of heightened scrutiny can the law survive," Benitez said. He issued a permanent injunction against enforcement of the law but stayed it for 30 days to give state Attorney General Rob Bonta time to appeal.

Gov. Gavin Newsom condemned the decision, calling it “a direct threat to public safety and the lives of innocent Californians, period."

In his 94-page ruling, the judge spoke favorably of modern weapons, said they were overwhelmingly used for legal reasons.

“Like the Swiss Army knife, the popular AR-15 rifle is a perfect combination of home defense weapon and homeland defense equipment. Good for both home and battle," the judge said in his ruling's introduction.

That comparison “completely undermines the credibility of this decision and is a slap in the face to the families who’ve lost loved ones to this weapon," Newsom said in a statement. “We’re not backing down from this fight, and we’ll continue pushing for common sense gun laws that will save lives.”

Bonta called the ruling flawed and said it will be appealed.

California first restricted assault weapons in 1989, with multiple updates to the law since then.

Assault weapons as defined by the law are more dangerous than other firearms and are disproportionately used in crimes, mass shootings and against law enforcement, with more resulting casualties, the state attorney general’s office argued, and barring them “furthers the state’s important public safety interests.”

Further, a surge in sales of more than 1.16 million other types of pistols, rifles and shotguns in the last year — more than a third of them to likely first-time buyers — show that the assault weapons ban “has not prevented law-abiding citizens in the state from acquiring a range of firearms for lawful purposes, including self-defense,” the state contended in a court filing in March.
Similar assault weapon restrictions have previously been upheld by six other federal district and appeals courts, the state argued. Overturning the ban would allow not only assault rifles, but things like assault shotguns and assault pistols, state officials said.
But Benitez disagreed.

“This case is not about extraordinary weapons lying at the outer limits of Second Amendment protection. The banned ‘assault weapons’ are not bazookas, howitzers, or machine guns. Those arms are dangerous and solely useful for military purposes," his ruling said.

Despite California's ban, there currently are an estimated 185,569 assault weapons registered with the state, the judge said.

“This is an average case about average guns used in average ways for average purposes," the ruling said. “One is to be forgiven if one is persuaded by news media and others that the nation is awash with murderous AR-15 assault rifles. The facts, however, do not support this hyperbole, and facts matter."

“In California, murder by knife occurs seven times more often than murder by rifle," he added.

In a preliminary ruling in September, Benitez said California’s complicated legal definition of assault weapons can ensnare otherwise law-abiding gun owners with criminal penalties that among other things can strip them of their Second Amendment right to own firearms.

"The burden on the core Second Amendment right, if any, is minimal,” the state argued, because the weapons can still be used — just not with the modifications that turn them into assault weapons. Modifications like a shorter barrel or collapsible stock make them more concealable, state officials said, while things like a pistol grip or thumbhole grip make them more lethal by improving their accuracy as they are fired rapidly.

The lawsuit filed by the San Diego County Gun Owners Political Action Committee, California Gun Rights Foundation, Second Amendment Foundation and Firearms Policy Coalition is among several by gun advocacy groups challenging California’s firearms laws, which are among the strictest in the nation.
The lawsuit filed in August 2019 followed a series of deadly mass shootings nationwide involving military-style rifles.

It was filed on behalf of gun owners who want to use high-capacity magazines in their legal rifles or pistols, but said they can’t because doing so would turn them into illegal assault weapons under California law. Unlike military weapons, the semi-automatic rifles fire one bullet each time the trigger is pulled, and the plaintiffs say they are legal in 41 states.

The lawsuit said California is “one of only a small handful states to ban many of the most popular semiautomatic firearms in the nation because they possess one or more common characteristics, such as pistol grips and threaded barrels,” frequently but not exclusively along with detachable ammunition magazines.

The state is appealing Benitez’s 2017 ruling against the state’s nearly two-decade-old ban on the sales and purchases of magazines holding more than 10 bullets. That decision triggered a weeklong buying spree before the judge halted sales during the appeal. It was upheld in August by a three-judge appellate panel, but the 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals said in March that an 11-member panel will rehear the case.
The state also is appealing Benitez’s decision in April 2020 blocking a 2019 California law requiring background checks for anyone buying ammunition.
Both of those measures were championed by Newsom when he was lieutenant governor, and they were backed by voters in a 2016 ballot measure.

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They used to be all over banning handguns. The Brady Campaign was originally founded as the National Council to Control Handguns.
Used to be, and despite handguns being the most commonly used guns in gun crime; they ignore them. Just theorizing, but betting they're scared of the proles rising up; and if they were to do so, they wouldn't have scary rifles that offer superior range and accuracy when compared to handguns.
 
Used to be, and despite handguns being the most commonly used guns in gun crime; they ignore them. Just theorizing, but betting they're scared of the proles rising up; and if they were to do so, they wouldn't have scary rifles that offer superior range and accuracy when compared to handguns.
I really think its because the right has been "winning" the gun rights fight so the left's old goals aren't even tenable. And publicity-gaining mass shootings are far more scary to suburban whites (despite being incredibly uncommon) than hoods shooting eachother or even stick-ups. So thats where the battle is now when it used to be further to the left.
 
I really think its because the right has been "winning" the gun rights fight so the left's old goals aren't even tenable. And publicity-gaining mass shootings are far more scary to suburban whites (despite being incredibly uncommon) than hoods shooting eachother or even stick-ups. So thats where the battle is now when it used to be further to the left.
Not to be a gun sperg but most mass shootings could have been completed with non-assault weapons. A plain old magazine fed rifle in all wood with no tactical features is just as deadly AR15 if not more.

When the target is unarmed, such as in the mentioned school shootings, the deed can be accomplished with an revolver and a pump action shotgun.
 
Not to be a gun sperg but most mass shootings could have been completed with non-assault weapons. A plain old magazine fed rifle in all wood with no tactical features is just as deadly AR15 if not more.

When the target is unarmed, such as in the mentioned school shootings, the deed can be accomplished with an revolver and a pump action shotgun.
Neither of which are pistols so they would still lead to talking about assault rifles?
 
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Of course there isn't. Their main argument is to take weapons of war and the most common types of weapons used in crimes off the street. So they mostly left handguns alone and went after rifles. Because while rifle do get used in shootings, most gun crime is committed with handguns; because they're a one-handed weapons that's eaiser to use and conceal. But that won't stop the California leadership from trying to fuck gun rights into the ground.

It's almost as if they target the weapons that would be most useful in armed resistance against the State!
 
The father of a Marjorie Stoneman Shooting victim proceeds to make a bunch of appeals to emotion that are completely irrelevant to the function of the 2nd Amendment, live on CNN -
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The comments are complete cancer, with idiots that are 100% comfortable with the gov't being entirely unaccountable by any means excusing the emotional appeals.
 
There was a picture I should have saved that showed how the four most powerful political families in California were connected and while not inncestous yet, you got medieval feels from it.
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Apparently, the site has archiving blocked, but I grabbed what I could.
 
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The fellow below killed 32 people with handguns. Tell me again how an assault weapons ban would have stopped this?
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The comments are complete cancer, with idiots that are 100% comfortable with the gov't being entirely unaccountable by any means excusing the emotional appeals.
Remember that these people are soulless mannequins who hold contradictory positions at the same time. For the four years we had Bad Cheetoh Man, he was a tyrant, making plans to line every non-white non-straight person up against the wall and have them shot... while also decrying that the government is the ultimate authority and the populace don't need weapons. These people will cheer for the death of others, then act surprised when their number is called. Soulless mannequins, the lot of them.
 
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Despite Rodgers only killing 3 people with a firearm, as well as committing suicide, and otherwise killing 3 with knives, and injuring others with his vehicle, notice how his rampage is flagged in the wiki info box as "part of mass shootings in the United States"? You have to go to the bottom of the wiki page to find out it's also covered under "mass murders", "mass stabbings", "vehicular rampage", etc.
 
Used to be, and despite handguns being the most commonly used guns in gun crime; they ignore them. Just theorizing, but betting they're scared of the proles rising up; and if they were to do so, they wouldn't have scary rifles that offer superior range and accuracy when compared to handguns.
They aren't ignoring them, they just know they can't up and ban handguns without the precedent of shotguns being illegal.

And they can't get rid of shotguns without the precedent of hunting rifles

And bolt-action rifles can't go until semiauto rifles go.

Which can't happen until the "just a few" scary "assault weapons" go.

They plan to take them all eventually. It's just that even they realize a unilateral handgun ban is a step too far too fast to ever survive legally.

The fact the very first step, the one that should be "easiest" due to the lowest number to take and easiest ones to demonize (scary black rifle with murder-bells and terror-whistles) is proving an impossible nut to crack drives them batty and makes them lie/fearmonger even MORE.

To the point a Federal Judge has in fact ruled that their own STATISTICS for why they want a ban don't match up with reality.....
 
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They used to be all over banning handguns. The Brady Campaign was originally founded as the National Council to Control Handguns.
That's basically deep-sixed for good because Heller explicitly mentions keeping a handgun for home defense. Of course, in their usual flip-flop fashion, they now insist that Heller is *only* affirming a right to a handgun for home defense, and that Scalia's "not unlimited" comment means "anything short of full-on Day of the Grab is 'common sense regulations'".
 
The fact the very first step, the one that should be "easiest" due to the lowest number to take and easiest ones to demonize (scary black rifle with murder-bells and terror-whistles) is proving an impossible nut to crack drives them batty and makes them lie/fearmonger even MORE.
Fortunately, the nut is slowly becoming even harder to crack.
 
Not to be a gun sperg but most mass shootings could have been completed with non-assault weapons. A plain old magazine fed rifle in all wood with no tactical features is just as deadly AR15 if not more.

When the target is unarmed, such as in the mentioned school shootings, the deed can be accomplished with an revolver and a pump action shotgun.
A Ruger Mini-14 is the reason the Feds upgraded their guns to the highest firepower as possible after that Miami shooting match in the 1980s.
 
That's basically deep-sixed for good because Heller explicitly mentions keeping a handgun for home defense. Of course, in their usual flip-flop fashion, they now insist that Heller is *only* affirming a right to a handgun for home defense, and that Scalia's "not unlimited" comment means "anything short of full-on Day of the Grab is 'common sense regulations'".

There hasn't been much out of them since the 90's, and even then, their big thing wasn't to ban handguns but to throw up so many bureaucratic hurdles and paperwork frustrations that hopefully, your "average" person would just give up trying to own one, leading to a natural dying off of gun ownership as not worth the hassle. Like toddlers outgrowing diapers.

The end goal was always abolition, but they felt that surely a distaste for guns could be fostered so that after only about two generations, with only maybe 1 in 10,000 law-abiding people owning a gun, final illegality of handguns would be a matter of a line-item in some other bill.....It was also around this time they dropped all pretense of there being such a thing as a legal firearm or law abiding gun owner. It was one of the first cases of progressive "right side of history has been decided in advance" thinking: a modern world-leading nation (late 20th century liberals still professed love to country as opposed to "I love the world but despise my nation" en vogue today) simply had NO USE for guns in the hands of citizens, if you wanted/had one, you were failing to live up to your station as civil.

The raging about the NRA and gun culture only really ramped up when the laws the Brady backers championed were met with pushback from the public that ultimately stopped them at a few token measures (background checks, waiting periods, caps on number per purchase). And even those were only lukewarmly prosecuted and allowed to lapse over time due to disinterest to do so from non-activists. Speaking of which, their dicey legal nature meant they were frequently abandoned rather than allowing them to be passed, stand, and then go to court and be decisively invalidated thus not only failing but setting precedent for future laws (as happened in Heller)

Then, maturation of the internet effectively defanged even what they'd managed to get in place, automating the paperwork process to the point their vaunted background checks could be done at point-of-sale by the gun stores as opposed to black holed into bureaucratic typing pools reachable only by snail mail where they could be slowed or maybe even maliciously "misplaced" and thus, never granted. Their modern cries of "we need more comprehensive background checks" are just manifest frustration at this, trying to clog up a feedstock pipe with wadded tissue paper, since any new check they want has no reason to not happen at CPU-speed. Note that they most illegal of these new proposals are ones that require human eyeballs, like the NYC-proposed one that you can't buy a gun until your social media has been evaluated and you are judged to not be a threat....they don't like the fact the computer when asked to check a criminal record database keeps saying "Clean" because the guy in the MAGA hat at the counter hasn't committed any crimes (yet!) and the machine isn't doing what people could do - judge him and deny him for a million counts of PRECRIME!


That's why they went all-in on the original AWB, they realized that too many law abiding people owned handguns and either diligently filled out the forms to keep them or fought them with organized legal resistance, meaning all their work for control never made a dent.

So the only way to make the people do the "Right" thing were bans....the people had proven to be nothing more than cultists of the murderous gun who won't see reason, ever. The late 80's were the very last time gun control advocates even passively acknowledged such a thing as the "law abiding gun owner". To them, going forward, all such people were morally bankrupt, and only allowed to keep their barbaric weapons of an uncivilized time due the absolute TECHNICALLITY of the Second Amendment, which will be navigated around soon enough!

But even the most strident gun-grabbers knew you can't start with the biggest slice of the pie, so they went after hunting rifles briefly as "sniper rifles" that no person needed, only to have the entire hunting/homestead bloc shoot that down (ha!) so that's when the forever war on "assault rifles" started.
 
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