EU U.S. Navy jet flew across Baltic hours after Nord Stream burst

By Nerijus Adomaitis, Tim Hepher and Phil Stewart
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OSLO/PARIS/WASHINGTON, Oct 7 (Reuters) - A U.S. Navy reconnaissance aircraft flew near the site of the ruptured Nord Stream 2 pipeline in the Baltic Sea hours after the first damage emerged, according to tracking reviewed by Reuters, a flight Washington said was routine.

Russia's Nord Stream 1 and 2 pipelines burst on Sept. 26, draining gas into the Baltic Sea off the coast of Denmark and Sweden. Seismologists registered explosions in the area, and police in several countries have launched investigations.


Flight data showed a P-8A Poseidon maritime patrol and reconnaissance plane was over the North Sea at 0003 GMT when Swedish seismologists registered what they later described as a subsea blast southeast of Bornholm Island in the Baltic Sea.

The plane, which had flown from Iceland, performed a pattern of regular racetrack-shaped circuits over Poland before breaking away towards the Baltic pipeline area, data showed.
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The identity of the plane could not immediately be established because of the type of rotating identification code sometimes used by such planes, but the U.S. Navy confirmed it was an American aircraft when presented with data by Reuters.

"The U.S. Navy P-8A Poseidon aircraft shown in the tracking data conducted a routine Baltic Sea maritime reconnaissance flight, unrelated to the leaks from the Nord Stream pipelines," a U.S. Navy spokesperson said.

Asked if any of the intelligence gathered might help investigators looking into the pipeline ruptures, U.S. Naval Forces Europe-Africa spokesperson, Capt. Tamara Lawrence said: "We do not have any additional information to provide at this time."

It's unclear what role, if any, the U.S. military is playing to aid European investigations into the ruptures of the pipelines, although President Joe Biden has spoken about eventually sending down divers.

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According to the data, several minutes past 0100 GMT the plane flew south of Bornholm heading to northwestern Poland, where it circled for about an hour above land before flying at around 0244 GMT to the area where the gas leak was reported.

It came as close as some 24 kms (15 miles) to the reported leak site, circled once and flew towards the Russian exclave of Kaliningrad, a frequent focus for surveillance, analysts say.

Polish, Swedish, Danish and German ministries of defence were not immediately available for comment.

There is flight data missing between 0339 GMT and 0620 GMT, but on its way back, around 0700 GMT, the plane flew some 4 kms north of the reported leak site.

Reuters used a partial flight map from U.S.-based tracking website Radarbox complemented by data provided to Reuters by Sweden-based Flightradar24 to reconstruct the P-8's path.

Flightradar24 data showed the plane taking off and landing at Reykjanes peninsula in southwestern Iceland, where Keflavik Air Base is located along with reported P-8 hangar facilities.

The data emerged as the Baltic remains a front for Cold War-style tensions in the aftermath of Russia's invasion of Ukraine, according to analysts who caution it is impossible to establish with certainty the reason behind specific military flight paths.

"The Baltic is a very active sphere of confrontation with lots of probing and an endless chess game," said UK-based defence analyst Francis Tusa.

Poland's Prime Minister Mateusz Morawiecki said on Thursday the pipeline burst was "most likely" the work of Russian special services, citing information from Western allies.

Western governments and officials have so far avoided pointing a finger directly at Moscow, while Russia has rejected any allegations of responsibility as "stupid", blaming the United States and its allies instead.
 
It's that it's wildly against the interests of Russia and massively in the interests of the USA.
Like what?
I just thought I'd corrected your loaded and partial take on things. However demented Biden may be, he's still reading off the auto-cue and the prompts that his handlers give him.
Fuck Biden and fuck his computer.
I still don't see why the fuck the US would be retarded enough to do this kind of shit.
Russia though, I know for a fact they're retarded enough to do this shit.
 
America only has Germany's best interests in mind, anyone saying otherwise is a filthy Russian shill.
Germany is like that autistic child of divorced parents where one tries to raise them right and the other tries to bring them along on their psychotic bender. They won't be happy about it but it's not like the US (and friends) has ever had an issue throwing them in the tard-squisher before.
 
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The US is basically the only one that benefits from this. How are you so blind to this fact?
HOW?
You niggers keep repeating this shit without saying the punchline.
Only benefits I saw mentioned was one vatnik saying that the US will siphon businesses to America because of lower cost of energy or some shit, the other was the US just wanted to bite Russia in the dick. Either of which could have been done without farting up the fucking Baltic in some retarded scheme that will come out eventually.
And for counterweight, I can't really say why Russia would do it either, but I can say that those retards have been doing retarded shit for months and would it really be surprising for Putin to do some stupid shit like this at this point?
 
HOW?
You niggers keep repeating this shit without saying the punchline.
Only benefits I saw mentioned was one vatnik saying that the US will siphon businesses to America because of lower cost of energy or some shit, the other was the US just wanted to bite Russia in the dick. Either of which could have been done without farting up the fucking Baltic in some retarded scheme that will come out eventually.
And for counterweight, I can't really say why Russia would do it either, but I can say that those retards have been doing retarded shit for months and would it really be surprising for Putin to do some stupid shit like this at this point?
Gas prices go up and the US sells this gas. Germany cannot go back to using these now as well, that another card off the negotiation table.
 
Gas prices go up and the US sells this gas.
Hate to break it to you, but gas prices would have gone either or someone would poison a sea, added to which the fucking arabs are playing their own price game ad the US selling energy to any capacity worth poisoning said sea is questionable to me, but I guess we'll see.
Germany cannot go back to using these now as well, that another card off the negotiation table.
It was off the table long before it exploded.
 
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Germany cannot go back
I think this would be the single most compelling reason. While we should certainly recognize the assistance of our European allies, there's also a very, very long history of them reneging from their side of a bargain or fucking the US over to their benefit. The M.E. fuckery going on today goes all the way back to British oil interests and their control over (at the time) Palestine. China has no shortage of animosity for the Opium Wars. Vietnam was a shit show almost entirely of French creation. The disaster that is the whole of fucking Africa springs from slicing up jogger territory like some pie. Not one, but two fucking World Wars we didn't even need to be involved in if not for our allies.

Uncle Sam has gone from the token glowie handouts to support in earnest. Not only giving money and hardware away but pushing for sanctions that come at no small cost. Germany backing out of the sanctions and getting Nord Stream running for cheaper Russian gas could really fuck the US over. All this cost is worth the LNG exports that are now wildly profitable for US producers. If anything all of the hysteria over the US maybe doing this kind of serves as proof that the Krauts were planning on backstabbing us. So even if it wasn't US glowie shenanigans, it's a good thing.
 
And for counterweight, I can't really say why Russia would do it either, but I can say that those retards have been doing retarded shit for months and would it really be surprising for Putin to do some stupid shit like this at this point?
Spite. At the moment, Germany seems pretty determined to wean themselves off Russian gas no matter the pain, so Putin blowing the pipe up is a nice way to say "Fine, no more gas for you ever then." Yes, its childish and petty, but in-line with his behavior regarding Ukraine refusing to roll over and die for him.
 
Spite. At the moment, Germany seems pretty determined to wean themselves off Russian gas no matter the pain, so Putin blowing the pipe up is a nice way to say "Fine, no more gas for you ever then." Yes, its childish and petty, but in-line with his behavior regarding Ukraine refusing to roll over and die for him.
And that's the punchline.
 
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Spite. At the moment, Germany seems pretty determined to wean themselves off Russian gas no matter the pain, so Putin blowing the pipe up is a nice way to say "Fine, no more gas for you ever then." Yes, its childish and petty, but in-line with his behavior regarding Ukraine refusing to roll over and die for him.
Plus it's a lot easier for them, since they have access to the terminals at the Russian end. Just send an explosives-laden pig down each pipe and blow it up from the inside.
 
Just a reminder that Russia would never ever ever do anything stupid to provoke Germany while bombs are falling on their consulate or some shit in Kyiv right nao.
 
Pay no attention to the MEU that was 18 miles away when it actually blew up.
This. The US Navy has had a Baltic presence for many months now, including the USS Kearsarge which has it’s own collection of specialized aircraft that I see as more capable of this than a reconnaissance plane from Iceland (which feels like a red herring to me). Can recon planes even perform sophisticated bombings of ground targets?
No big deal, we fly recon missions all over the world. Don't believe the US blew up those pipelines. Suspect Russia. War is going very badly for them, good way to put Ukraine's allies against each other. Remember, Putin is KGB.
I know you’re an USAF man, but this whole thing seems to be mostly US Navy at the moment. Do the US Navy aviators have a different recon approach than the USAF? I’m a bit biased as I have a lot of friends and family in the Navy and I hear endless talk about how Navy vs Air Force policy differs.

Also, with the presence of several Naval vessels in the Baltic right now (US and other NATO-aligned countries), shouldn’t an attack on a high-value target like NS 1/2 been observed/known about? How could they miss an “obvious” Russian strike right under their proverbial nose? Either Russia is way better at large stealth attacks in crowded waterways (contradicts the whole “Russia is struggling and failing everywhere” narrative) or the Western Navy isn’t as competent as those recruitment adds in high school made them out to be (given the recent-ish boat collisions and what my friends and family tell me, both can be possible).

We need some Navy input to go along with Uncle Joe’s USAF input: @Slappy McGherkin we humbly request your input. Hell, let’s bring in @Jet Fuel Johnny for some Army input as well (and whatever air operations the Army still does).

Yes, Putin is KGB (albeit exaggerated valor I heard), but the Navy has ONI and they talk with other 3-letter agencies. You can’t tell me there aren’t any intelligence officers stationed in the Baltic along with the rest of the USN present. If I’m missing something, please let me know, prove me wrong, etc.
 
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This. The US Navy has had a Baltic presence for many months now, including the USS Kearsarge which has it’s own collection of specialized aircraft that I see as more capable of this than a reconnaissance plane from Iceland (which feels like a red herring to me). Can recon planes even perform sophisticated bombings of ground targets?

I know you’re an USAF man, but this whole thing seems to be mostly US Navy at the moment. Do the US Navy aviators have a different recon approach than the USAF? I’m a bit biased as I have a lot of friends and family in the Navy and I hear endless talk about how Navy vs Air Force policy differs.

Also, with the presence of several Naval vessels in the Baltic right now (US and other NATO-aligned countries), shouldn’t an attack on a high-value target like NS 1/2 been observed/known about? How could they miss an “obvious” Russian strike right under their proverbial nose? Either Russia is way better at large stealth attacks in crowded waterways (contradicts the whole “Russia is struggling and failing everywhere” narrative) or the Western Navy isn’t as competent as those recruitment adds in high school made them out to be (given the recent-ish boat collisions and what my friends and family tell me, both can be possible).

We need some Navy input to go along with Uncle Joe’s USAF input: @Slappy McGherkin we humbly request your input. Hell, let’s bring in @Jet Fuel Johnny for some Army input as well (and whatever air operations the Army still does).

Yes, Putin is KGB (albeit exaggerated valor I heard), but the Navy has ONI and they talk with other 3-letter agencies. You can’t tell me there aren’t any intelligence officers stationed in the Baltic along with the rest of the USN present. If I’m missing something, please let me know, prove me wrong, etc.
The Navy will do some things differently, but all services have certain commonalities in the way they conduct operations. Also have Army flying certain missions.

If you use certain types of communications it is quite possible to bring off an operation like NS 1 and 2 without anyone getting prior warning.
 
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The Baltic is themost tightly surveiled body of water on earth. Its lined with Sonar Nets, has constant satelittes tasked to it, and has 24x7 maritime patrol by NATO nations. This is normal as its one of the routes the Russian fleets take to the Atlantic. A US sub hunter flying in the area is any day ending in Y
 
HOW?
You niggers keep repeating this shit without saying the punchline.
Only benefits I saw mentioned was one vatnik saying that the US will siphon businesses to America because of lower cost of energy or some shit, the other was the US just wanted to bite Russia in the dick. Either of which could have been done without farting up the fucking Baltic in some retarded scheme that will come out eventually.
And for counterweight, I can't really say why Russia would do it either, but I can say that those retards have been doing retarded shit for months and would it really be surprising for Putin to do some stupid shit like this at this point?
Germany needs gas and is suffering due to lack of future supplies forcing them to ration it; and will suffer even more when it actually runs out. The destruction of the pipeline removes a major incentive for them to make peace with Russia if Russia can no longer supply gas; and a major pressure to follow US foreign policy goals if the USA is the only one that can supply them it in the quantities they need.

The logic is quite simple. By taking out the pipeline, the USA attempts to make them Germany's only option.
 
Germany needs gas and is suffering due to lack of future supplies forcing them to ration it;
How many times we've been through this?
Everyone west of Minsk is suffering shortages.
and will suffer even more when it actually runs out.
lol
The destruction of the pipeline removes a major incentive for them to make peace with Russia if Russia can no longer supply gas;
How much gas was Russia supplying through that pipe?
and a major pressure to follow US foreign policy goals if the USA is the only one that can supply them it in the quantities they need.
lool
The logic is quite simple.
Simple logic by simple people.
By taking out the pipeline, the USA attempts to make them Germany's only option.
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No big deal, we fly recon missions all over the world. Don't believe the US blew up those pipelines. Suspect Russia. War is going very badly for them, good way to put Ukraine's allies against each other. Remember, Putin is KGB.
Literally the only thing that makes me take pause and turn me away from thinking this was 100% done by Western entities is that Putin is ex KGB. Those mother fuckers make the CIA look almost sane.
 
So why didn't the US plane report that they saw bubbling? It's pretty important considering this is a criminal investigation and could given credence to the fact that the plane saw the giant leak and did nothing, leading to more US suspicion
The answer is in the article. The patrol flight was at 0100 to 0244 GMT in the +1 time zone on the 26th of september, 2022. The flight passed 15 miles away at altitude in the middle of the night during a new moon (almost 0% illumination). Even if there was slight illumination from the moon, the flight occurred before moon rise.

You don't even have to look at meteorological records to determine the crew wouldn't have been able to see shit.

Edit: It looks to me like a passive sub sensors detected the explosion and a sub hunter that was on station over poland was sent to investigate. NATO probably thought there had been an accident aboard a russian submarine. It makes sense they'd fly towards Kaliningrad to see if russia was mobilizing a rescue.

I doubt they were looking for anything on the return flight.

My personal opinion is that investment banks speculating on energy prices had the most to gain. If it wasn't an accident it was someone trying to make a buck.
 
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