Under Islam, is mere existence of a non-believer considered as the "obstacle" in that surah about jihad?

[theshitposter]

If not, then what are these obstacles?

 

[Kosher Snake]

It is. You can't coexist with the sandhuffers without them forcing their culture and religion onto you even if you decline.

 

[(((Obar Lazcano Kamz)))]

Its convert or die, same thing with the jews and christians.

 

[Hathungor]

The Quran still requires a lot of interpretation, despite not being fragmented like a bible. I've discussed this at length with some Muslim friends who know a lot more about it than I ever could, but they don't usually like interpreting some of the vague declarations by themselves, preferring to ask their Imam to help with that. But here's what I learned.

Theoretically, Islam doesn't require full conversion of Christians and Jews explicitly, since they're both cousin religions of Islam. Islamic law actually outlines how they're both allowed to exist under it, but levies an extra tax on them for being unbelievers. I think Isis actually had started to implement this in some cities at the height of their power being driven back - it's a nice way of squeezing some extra revenue from the people you don't like that much anyways.

Not all Islamists will adhere to these rules all the time though. Especially as a practicing Christian in an Islamic country, how well you fare would largely depend on how much deference you can show, how many bribes you pay and how good or bad of a day the local militia is having.

 

[theshitposter]

The Quran still requires a lot of interpretation, despite not being fragmented like a bible. I've discussed this at length with some Muslim friends who know a lot more about it than I ever could, but they don't usually like interpreting some of the vague declarations by themselves, preferring to ask their Imam to help with that. But here's what I learned.

Theoretically, Islam doesn't require full conversion of Christians and Jews explicitly, since they're both cousin religions of Islam. Islamic law actually outlines how they're both allowed to exist under it, but levies an extra tax on them for being unbelievers. I think Isis actually had started to implement this in some cities at the height of their power being driven back - it's a nice way of squeezing some extra revenue from the people you don't like that much anyways.

Not all Islamists will adhere to these rules all the time though. Especially as a practicing Christian in an Islamic country, how well you fare would largely depend on how much deference you can show, how many bribes you pay and how good or bad of a day the local militia is having.

What about mushriks?

 

[CryoRevival #SJ-112]

The Quran still requires a lot of interpretation, despite not being fragmented like a bible. I've discussed this at length with some Muslim friends who know a lot more about it than I ever could, but they don't usually like interpreting some of the vague declarations by themselves, preferring to ask their Imam to help with that. But here's what I learned.

Theoretically, Islam doesn't require full conversion of Christians and Jews explicitly, since they're both cousin religions of Islam. Islamic law actually outlines how they're both allowed to exist under it, but levies an extra tax on them for being unbelievers. I think Isis actually had started to implement this in some cities at the height of their power being driven back - it's a nice way of squeezing some extra revenue from the people you don't like that much anyways.

Not all Islamists will adhere to these rules all the time though. Especially as a practicing Christian in an Islamic country, how well you fare would largely depend on how much deference you can show, how many bribes you pay and how good or bad of a day the local militia is having.

In terms of the contextual interpretation stuff, I think a good example of this in the same vein can be seen in the catholic church.
The reason that Catholic Priests can not be women is because Jesus, and all of his disciples are men, and by that example, the people who should spread his message as formal messenger should also be men. (Though women are very important too and everyone should be a messenger of Christ)

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Besides, interpreting religion based on translated quotes from its holybook is pretty cringe.
It would probably take a short essay in english to even adequately describe whatever 'obstacle to Jihad' is translated from in the Qu'ran, let alone its context after a thousand years of doctrinal discussion and development.

We might as well be discussing Psalms 2, if you tried to extrapolate Christianity from it, and then compared it to what we have, you'd be really confused, but when interpreted in appropriate context it makes sense and lines up with modern Christian doctrine.

Ask Me, and I will make the heathan Your inheritance,
the ends of the earth Your possession.
You will break them with a rod of iron;
You will shatter them like pottery.”
Therefore be wise, O kings;
be admonished, O judges of the earth.
Serve the LORD with fear,
and rejoice with trembling.
Kiss the Son, lest He be angry
and you perish in your rebellion,
when His wrath ignites in an instant.

 

[theshitposter]

In terms of the contextual interpretation stuff, I think a good example of this in the same vein can be seen in the catholic church.
The reason that Catholic Priests can not be women is because Jesus, and all of his disciples are men, and by that example, the people who should spread his message as formal messenger should also be men. (Though women are very important too and everyone should be a messenger of Christ)

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Besides, interpreting religion based on translated quotes from its holybook is pretty cringe.
It would probably take a short essay in english to even adequately describe whatever 'obstacle to Jihad' is translated from in the Qu'ran, let alone its context after a thousand years of doctrinal discussion and development.

We might as well be discussing Psalms 2, if you tried to extrapolate Christianity from it, and then compared it to what we have, you'd be really confused, but when interpreted in appropriate context it makes sense and lines up with modern Christian doctrine.

Ask Me, and I will make the heathan Your inheritance,
the ends of the earth Your possession.
You will break them with a rod of iron;
You will shatter them like pottery.”
Therefore be wise, O kings;
be admonished, O judges of the earth.
Serve the LORD with fear,
and rejoice with trembling.
Kiss the Son, lest He be angry
and you perish in your rebellion,
when His wrath ignites in an instant.

How wrong can an exclusive ideology be interpreted? It is based on demarking the believers of Allah & his prophet Mohammad and the rest. Everyone else is termed delegitimate. "you can't be friends be non-believers" "apostasy is aggression".
And now you can't deny the over abundance of the Caliphate fetishists in Islam with their own tafsir of quran trying to cultivate jihadis in all across the kaffir states. The rest of the "moderates" are sympathetic to their cause and would jump the ship the day they have to make a hard choice. The whole religious literature is full of this war, this battle, final battle, judgement day whatever bs

 

[Hathungor]

How wrong can an exclusive ideology be interpreted? It is based on demarking the believers of Allah & his prophet Mohammad and the rest. Everyone else is termed delegitimate. "you can't be friends be non-believers" "apostasy is aggression".
And now you can't deny the over abundance of the Caliphate fetishists in Islam with their own tafsir of quran trying to cultivate jihadis in all across the kaffir states. The rest of the "moderates" are sympathetic to their cause and would jump the ship the day they have to make a hard choice. The whole religious literature is full of this war, this battle, final battle, judgement day whatever bs

Interpretation can move as far from the source as any individual authority is willing to let it. Doublethink is not an abstract concept, it's a defining characteristic of the human psyche.

But that's how all religions work, Christianity is just 700 years ahead of Islam. Think of Luthers reformation who simply interpreted the same Bible vastly differently from Catholics or Henry VIII founding of the Church of England just so he could divorce his wife when the Pope wouldn't allow it.

 

[deso2y]

Which sura are you talking about nibba?

 

[Gender: Xenomorph]

The main obstacle for Islam is forming one unified, functional state.

Or do you think a desert country with a population of 3 people can impose it's values on the entire world?

 

[Pruto]

Infidels are explicitly seen as an obstacle, why you even ask.