Understanding the west's deradicalisation machine - An analysis on how the west and other countries neutralise political threats online

[BEST_MAN_202]

Introduction

It seems like the media, and feds are trying to tame and stop websites from having any organic political beliefs and power.
Any website that creates a movement that isn't astroturfed by the media and actually has success and influences the internet on one way or another either gets destroyed (in this case 8chan) or its culture gets changed and new rules are enforced ensuring the website doesn't have the political power it used to have (in this case 4chan)

An short analysis on 8chan and 4chan's power

8chan only had power after Christchurch, it made the world watch and look at the site as the ebil domestic terrorist imageboard that only shooters use, and the FBI decided to limit its influence by talking to Jim stating that he should have harsher rules, not to mention it got taken down by the western censorship machine.

4chan had power in 2012 with the chanology, anonymous stuff but moot tried to limit this and decided to ban gamergate talk in order to limit 4chans influence. He stated the reason for banning gamergate was because didn't want another chanology.
4gagers still like to pretend they have political relevancy citing the 2016 and stating they memes a president to power. However no one really voted for trump because they saw a pro trump meme on the web.

It seems like west is trying to control, censor, tame and neutralise online political threats that are in certain communities.
The same has happened in other countries in the world like South Korea and China and it seems like the west is trying to do the same thing.

Korean internet censorship: Moon Jae In censors major News Sites, and censors the internet with the banning of 'hate' comments

In south korea in 2018, the major media control and censorship has been strengthened, fortified, and accomplished. Moon's government occupied the broadcasting systems](e.g., MBC, SBS, KBS, EBS, JTBC, and YTN, etc.,) including the Information and Communications Ethics Committee (정보통신윤리위원회) and the broadcast unions to control over the media creation, management, and control. Therefore, many journalists, who have different opinion against the current government, were forcefully resigned and disappeared.

The major media outlets have started to make the similar voices by excluding the different opinion against current government and its policy. Therefore, journalists who were forcefully resigned, created alternative media outlets including YouTube channels (e.g., Jogapjea TV, PenN, Touches of God, Free North Korea including the youth, and the elders who found the current situation including the censorship against the freedom of expression and freedom of information, to announce current issues of the nation including the significant changes of the system, economic policy, legal changes, and culture.
https://web.archive.org/web/2019110...a.org/wiki/Internet_censorship_in_South_Korea
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_censorship_in_South_Korea

One suicide on a kpop star has changed korean internet in a big way. A person called sulli died a few months ago. She was a South Korean actress, singer, kpop star and model. Sulli was recognised as a prominent figure in Korean popular culture for her outspoken persona, becoming the most Googled person in South Korea in 2017, ahead of the current President of South Korea Moon Jae-in. She killed herself because of hate comments.

Her suicide is being used as a convenient excuse by the Korean government to push censorship of "hate comments" and naughty oppinions. Imagine being a fucking gook and shitting on some shitty kpop star only for the police to kick your door in and arrest you for internet rudeness. Thats how bad it is in korea. Wew. Worstorst Korea, cucking itself into feminist complacency.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sulli#Death_and_impact
https://web.archive.org/web/20191109201648/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sulli

Chinese censorship and feds censoring content creators

China is known for politically censoring certian speech on the web, from the tiananmen square mascare being erased from the chinese web to anyone being critical of china getting removed from the chinese web like pewdiepie. It is currently trying to import its censorship to the west and we can see this with china's control on the nba, on blizzard and on apple

https://globalnews.ca/news/5345742/tiananmen-square-china-censorship/
https://www.businessinsider.com/pew...e-the-pooh-memes-xi-jinping-2019-10?r=US&IR=T
https://www.cnbc.com/2019/10/10/chi...g-ensnares-apple-nba-activision-blizzard.html
https://web.archive.org/web/2019110...ws/5345742/tiananmen-square-china-censorship/
https://web.archive.org/web/2019110...-ban-winnie-the-pooh-memes-xi-jinping-2019-10
https://web.archive.org/web/2019110...g-ensnares-apple-nba-activision-blizzard.html

Several youtubers have experienced feds wanting them to censor their content. Feds are watching 'commentary'(eg Leafyishere) type communities and making sure that edgy content creators aren’t a threat to anyone and that their influence isn’t going to have negative consequences on viewers. 2 YouTubers got visited by the feds (Turkey Tom, Egg White) and were pretty much given an ultimatum stating that they need to censor their content to make sure that they don't inspire mass shooters.

https://twitter.com/1eggwhite/status/1190678798896975873
https://web.archive.org/web/20191109194259/https://twitter.com/1eggwhite/status/1190678798896975873

>"2 months ago they came to my house and told me that they believe the ironic or satirical intents of creators can be mischaracterized by vulnerable individuals and that this can lead to tragedies." :Turkey tom
>"Yeah I opted to forego certain content this year because I basically got an ultimatum that anything in a certain criteria ala Elliot would have suits back knocking at my door."
>"Instead I just constantly toe the line of acceptable conduct in new and innovative ways": Egg White

Also Mumkey Jones did get one of his videos investigated by the fbi and that's the reason his original channel with 300000+ subscribers died. One of mumkey's videos was shown at an FBI briefing on the danger of incels and they wanted his channel gone so youtube complied. Also rusty cage was investigated by the fbi too.

8chan made the world look

8chan was actually important enough to get 2 documentaries on it. Before Christchurch no one in real life knew what 8chan was, that incident brought 8Chan from being an obscure website to the new hate machine TM, 8chan was talked about every where from Korean news stations like KBS to Algerian news stations. It became more well known and it made the world watch it for at least a few seconds. News sites and regular people and even a few 4channers thought 8chan was an actual threat and a terrorist website.

8chan was able to trigger a response from dumb Twitter users to mainstream websites and news sites that 8chan was the worst place on the internet and that it was the meeting ground for terrorists. It got to a point, where 8chan was mentioned 100s of times by the media on tv by mainstream publications in such a short period of time, not to mention the hundreds of thousands of articles on 8chan calling it a place for shooters, where news stations have made documentaries on 8chan calling it the worst place on the internet.

It became influential to the point it triggered this sort of response that many people are up, from the UK parliament talking about 8chan to the New Zealand parliament talking about the website and officially blocking the site 8chan and other sites similar to it as well as many ISP's blocking 8chan. It actually had some real world consequences too and the us Congress was talking about how 8chan was this evil terrorist website and should get shut down and talking about the radicalisation there.

No website has triggered this much of a response, not even 4chan.
It had influence, and it made the world look.
And it got shut down because of it.

Conclusion

The west is trying to control, censor, tame and neutralise online political threats that are in certain communities, they are trying to control the internet more thouroughly by doing this and many of youtube's policies can be attributed to the usa's gov wanting more power over what gets posted to make shure no one gets radicalised. This may not be for the best as many other countries who have used censored the web in the name of safety (china and korea) have done this to censor political apponents and others.
Thanks for reading my talk


Some extra stuff
Subcommittee talks about 8chan

8chan mentioned

1:36:10

1:55:30

Other timestamps

1:16:20 They talk about white genocide

Omar 1:51:00

>I to agree white nationalism should be considered terrorism.

2:00:20 mr picciolini

>they are recruiting from depression forums and autistic forums .

Nice guess he means /pol/

21:00 :]

At 1:56 they introduce the concept of gatekeepers as plainclothes white supremacists who clean up the movement and keep it looking kosher for normies for recruition purposes.

0:51:30, White nationalists are compared to Al-Qaeda and ISIS

1:09:30 THE KKK IS THRIVING YOU G-GUYS

UK Parliment Talks about 8chan and 4chan

Short clip, just talks about how 4chan and 8chan are evil

8chan documentaries
Vice

NZ On Air-Infinte Evil

A documentary series from Stuff Circuit

An investigation into issues of vital importance facing New Zealand society

interactives.stuff.co.nz

 

[Unog]

This has been a problem for a while now, and has been talked about at length around various places on the web for years. Ultimately, what will/has anyone do/done about it?

Either sitting patiently with their thumb up their ass waiting for someone else to do something, or efforts that are ultimately meaningless and ineffectual. As always. The only realistic answers to this problem are shit that if listed here would get people on about a dozen different government watch lists.

The best thing that can be done it seems is hosting places like the farms but one day this place will finally be put under the spotlight for one reason or another and it'll be gone too, and like with 8chan, nobody will get off their asses and do anything about it, just lament it as yet another place where people could speak freely lost and move on.

 

[BEST_MAN_202]

This has been a problem for a while now, and has been talked about at length around various places on the web for years. Ultimately, what will/has anyone do/done about it?

I have never seen anyone talk about the problem of feds sabotaging websites and limiting their reach before.

Either sitting patiently with their thumb up their ass waiting for someone else to do something, or efforts that are ultimately meaningless and ineffectual. As always. The only realistic answers to this problem are shit that if listed here would get people on about a dozen different government watch lists.

I'm guessing somewhere along the lines of violent revolution or just moving to the deep web?

 

[Token Weeaboo]

I'm guessing somewhere along the lines of violent revolution or just moving to the deep web?

From how much they are banning and removing, do you think anyone will even see this happening if something does erupt? I don't know a single person who uses Tor or has any REAL knowledge of the deep web.

 

[$80 Nude Haircut]

4gagers still like to pretend they have political relevancy citing the 2016 and stating they memes a president to power. However no one really voted for trump because they saw a pro trump meme on the web.

It's foolish to imply Donald Trump's popularity wasn't bolstered by internet memes glorifying him as some kind of savior of American values. If the memes weren't relevant you wouldn't see groups like Shareblue/Correct the Record getting showered in money to astroturf the ever-loving shit out of the wider internet. To this day Democrat think-tanks are desperately trying to figure out how Donald Trump and the Russians managed to trick so many people into voting for him (then replicate it and take measures to ensure nobody else can use the same trick.)

 

[Mewtwo_Rain]

I have never seen anyone talk about the problem of feds sabotaging websites and limiting their reach before.


I'm guessing somewhere along the lines of violent revolution or just moving to the deep web?

I've seen people talk about it but due to arrogance and cognitive dissonance "It's a conspiracy" > Then it happens > Everyone forgets the guy pointing out this would happen> Rinse > Repeat. People are easily to manipulate or easy to trick into pretending it's not happening due to said arrogance and cognitive bias/dissonance. Happens to all kinds of other situations and even true conspiracies, as well.

Sadly, intellectual laziness is causing much haphazard-ness online and in real life society.

To be fair, I don't think you can truly stop subversion of a site, or attempts to undermine them. Sooner or later someone will get in and repeat the same actions,so really the solution is the hard pressed concept.

 

[Terrorist]

You know what else is a deradicalisation technique? The alt-lite. Ben Shapiro, Crowder, the Ineffectual Dork Web, etc. all exist to turn less-savvy people away from real critiques of (((power))) through faux-edginess.

 

[Dante Alighieri]

Nothing makes a radical like banning and deplatforming everybody right of Mao and Pol Pot.

 

[BEST_MAN_202]

It's foolish to imply Donald Trump's popularity wasn't bolstered by internet memes glorifying him as some kind of savior of American values. If the memes weren't relevant you wouldn't see groups like Shareblue/Correct the Record getting showered in money to astroturf the ever-loving shit out of the wider internet.

It wasn't, CNN did a lot of advertising about trump, furthering his reach and how much people knew he was running for president, that itself had a larger affect that helped trump in the end not really memes. Also astroturfing was a thing before trump and has been done before on the internet to boost certain political candidates in the US, like in the 2008 US presidential campaign.
Also not everyone is so dumb that they would vote for a man just because of a meme.

Trump's attacks on CNN helped their revenues far more than his praise helped Fox News, new figures suggest

Exclusive: Analysts say president's favourite channel Fox News suffered a 2 per cent year-on-year drop in third quarter advertising revenue, while CNN was up 9 per cent despite being repeatedly branded 'fake news'

www.independent.co.uk

Wikileakes Release: John McCain US Presidential Election Clinton Astroturfing Strategy

McCain team claims Clinton strategy memo a frame-up.

www.guernicamag.com

Astroturfing in The Virtual World

www.wired.com