Undertale / Deltarune / Toby Fox Discussion

my penis is on fire said:
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I cannot stand these stupid fucking things. They're far and away the worst pixelart in the entire game, and unlike any other Darkner it's not clear what they're supposed to be. No one even had any idea they were supposed to be dice until Chapter 3 came out. Sure they got a bit of funny characterization in that chapter, but they still suck.
Worse yet, for SOME FUCKING REASON they've become the object of obsession of the fandom's inordinately large fujoshigger population, meaning if you ever go looking for Deltarune art and whatnot you see these stupid things EVERYWHERE. I can't even begin to understand why. They're not the typical yaoi victim character design like Spamton or Tenna, so why the fuck do yaoifags spam them everywhere? I hate them more than you can imagine. Total Pippins Death
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They're just chapter one NPC sprites that toby decided to lazily recycle in chapter 3 for whatever fucking reason.

God chapters 3-4 sucked so much I don't understand how people eat that shit up and obsess over it, and most cucks in this thread only care about noelle rape krusie shipping and >Muh pixelshit gay tumblr earthbound rpg is actually le based and toby fox will reveal that kris is mecha hitler in chapter 8 trust me bro
 
soy woah jaque said:
They're just chapter one NPC sprites that toby decided to lazily recycle in chapter 3 for whatever fucking reason.

God chapters 3-4 sucked so much I don't understand how people eat that shit up and obsess over it, and most cucks in this thread only care about noelle rape krusie shipping and >Muh pixelshit gay tumblr earthbound rpg is actually le based and toby fox will reveal that kris is mecha hitler in chapter 8 trust me bro
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Chapter 3 was the worst chapter by far, agreed. I don’t know why you’re so antagonistic towards the thread though, you’re ignoring the pages criticizing Toby’s writing. Maybe you should close your dark fountain and do your homework lil nigga
 
Big Shot said:
> lied to us about prophecy in Ch1
> didn't tell us about the roaring until Berdly/Queen almost did it at the end of Ch2
> distracts the player to talk to Kris behind our back
> omits info until last minute / outright lies about it

Susie did nothing wrong when she crashed out on him in Ch4 and should've gone full sheboon mode and beat the shit out of that stupid goat
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Susie is actually a bearable character when not being force shipped with Noelle by the fag-in-chief Toby Fox.

Ralsei is just insufferable and has no truly good traits. The sweet act is just that, an act. Plus he’s a definitely a total faggot, and cringe as fuck. I’d shoot that fucking femboy-slop goat thing immediately
 
I miss Ralsei from chapter 1. That guy actually had a spine underneath all that fluff.

Do you think chapter 3-4 Ralsei would ever ask Susie not to call him names? Hell no, he'd be all "Well gee i-if it makes you happy Susie!"
I preferred him as the (slightly) more serious, goal focused character of the trio, instead of this woobified wreck we're left with now.

Also he was better black.
 
We've got at least 7 more years of this so even more time for all the characters to get flanderized and weird social expectations to change.
I suppose you can call Duke Nukem Forever the first truly modern game. It was ahead of its time in unfathomable ways.
 
Yippie! Can't wait for more dykery, furry flashback therapy sessions, pathetic doormat goatbois and tumblr yaoibait funnymans next chapter!!!!

TOBIAS FOXWORTH if you're reading this please implement a 20 minute unskippable cutscene where Kris comes out as NONBINARY THEY/THEM in front of everyone in hometown!!!!1 - Sincerely, me and the aeroace polycule
 
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I just played the OFF remake.
I was half expecting to hate the new soundtrack, have none of its problems solved and come out worse than the original, but its actually decent (not amazing, just decent).

I know the "original" version you could download was a fan translation, but I find the "official" one to be a disappointment, especially with Dedan nomore calling you a retard for challenging him.

The new soundtrack is good, sometimes I prefer the old, sometimes I prefer this, I really enjoyed Nightmargin's tracks more than most of Toby's stuff, but I can feel his reverence toward this game in his composition; in general I find the boss-related tracks area 3 and pretty much everything in The Room to be inferior to the original, the rest is pretty good.

Revamped combat is good, but it's still too easy in normal encounters and at times even tedious at time, aside of the newly introduced superbosses, those are almost always pretty good, excellent even, in case of Justus, Carnival and Cob, but Source is pretty trash and the fact that it's the very first of the bunch does really sours the experience for me.

The final boss is nomore a complete pushover, this is a welcome change.

Overall I think it's a good remake, but considering the lenght and pricing of 15 bucks I am definetly not gonna buy it, rather wait for a discount.
 
The oxymoronic European said:
I miss Ralsei from chapter 1. That guy actually had a spine underneath all that fluff.

Do you think chapter 3-4 Ralsei would ever ask Susie not to call him names? Hell no, he'd be all "Well gee i-if it makes you happy Susie!"
I preferred him as the (slightly) more serious, goal focused character of the trio, instead of this woobified wreck we're left with now.

Also he was better black.
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I just realised that the pumpkin meme (he can barely be classified as a character) doesn't even make sense within the context of ch 4.

Why would a church, a religious temple of worship, have halloween decorations? Is there any explanation or lore behind it or does the church just have a jack-o-lantern in the closet just because? It doesn't even matter that it's a fictional religion, it still contrasts with the tone and aesthetic that the chapter presents, so am I missing something?

There's also Gerson whose attack patterns are just random unrelated references to mario bros, the mama mia sound effects, the pumpkin fight in general, like half of the super important prophecy texts being jokes... It's just one dimensional memes and incoherent themes slapped onto the chapter.

Compare that to Spamton in chapter 2. We're in the dark world of the computer lab, so you have the personification of spam emails possessing a scrapped ms paint sketch to use as power armor. It's way cooler, it makes sense within the theme of the chapter, and he's a multi dimensional character that can be both funny and serious without the use of cheap memes (and yet his playtesters didn't like the character)
 
soy woah jaque said:
Why would a church, a religious temple of worship, have halloween decorations? Is there any explanation or lore behind it or does the church just have a jack-o-lantern in the closet just because? It doesn't even matter that it's a fictional religion, it still contrasts with the tone and aesthetic that the chapter presents, so am I missing something?
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Is it really that weird for a church to have had a Halloween party at some point?
It's a gathering area in a small town. That seems reasonable.
soy woah jaque said:
There's also Gerson whose attack patterns are just random unrelated references to mario bros,
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I never got why he threw shells but now I realize that the "hammer brother" gag should've been obvious.
The title of the book series would imply a single warhammer but I assume that he uses projectiles to tie into the fact that both him and Undyne use ranged melee weapons.
soy woah jaque said:
the mama mia sound effects, like half of the super important prophecy texts being jokes
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Yeah. Those were pretty retarded.
 
Coolio55 said:
Is it really that weird for a church to have had a Halloween party at some point?
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Yes, it's an informal pagan celebration completely unrelated to any religous worship at best and sacrilegious at worst. Even if this fictional watered down religion were to celebrate halloween, it would still clash with the visual aesthetic of the church.

Not that the game even does anything interesting with the idea of halloween in a church, and the "character" isn't even good anyways.
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I never got why he threw shells but now I realize that the "hammer brother" gag should've been obvious.
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It would have made more sense for the creepy corrupted version of gerson to be the secret boss, maybe involving the player attempting to revive him only for it to backfire. It would have been a more interesting execution of the idea instead of whatever the hell the actual boss is.
 
soy woah jaque said:
Yes, it's an informal pagan celebration completely unrelated to any religous worship
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Absolutely retarded take.

Wikipedia said:
Halloween,[a] also known as All Hallows' Eve,[9] or All Saints' Eve,[10] is a celebration observed in many countries on 31 October, the eve of the Western Christian feast of All Hallows' Day. It is at the beginning of the observance of Allhallowtide,[11] the time in the Christian liturgical year dedicated to remembering the dead, including saints (hallows), martyrs, and all the faithful departed.[3][12][13] In popular culture, Halloween has become a celebration of horror and is associated with the macabre and the supernatural.[12][14] One theory holds that many Halloween traditions were influenced by Celtic harvest festivals, particularly the Gaelic festival Samhain, which are believed to have pagan roots.[15][16][17][18] Some theories go further and suggest that Samhain may have been Christianized as All Hallows' Day, along with its eve, by the Church.[19][1][20] Other academics say Halloween began independently as a Christian holiday, being the vigil of All Hallows' Day.[21][22][23][24]
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Even ignoring that, the religion in Hometown only bears superficial similarities to Christianity, as should be clear by that point in Chapter 4. A "pagan celebration" taking place in that church doesn't break it any more than the entire sermon beforehand did.

That said, I do not like the pumpkin man's design at all, and you are very much correct that he is more meme than character.
 
Anyone who refuses to dress up in silly costumes and eat candy because they believe god hates it is a party pooper and deserves to be as miserable as they make themselves.
 
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