Undertale

So there's this really interesting theory I heard
During the final boss fight, Flowey switches between all the different human souls that he's obtained to unleash different devastating attacks. Each soul has it's own unique color, and imagery associated with it's attack. People have noticed that the souls and their attacks seem to correspond with a character that you meet earlier in the game. Like the purple soul causes giant ballet slippers to appear and begin stomping seems to symbolize Muffet who features the color purple prominently in her battle and she seems to be themed around dancing, and the pink soul which attacks by summoning machines that launch negative words from speakers represents Mettaton who is a robot that is almost always talking into a microphone and features the color pink prominently in his final design. From this people are starting to think that the most powerful monsters you meet in the game are actually former lost children that have lost their souls to Asgore and were reborn as monsters. It would really explain why the souls slowly begin to rebel against Flowey during the fight when he uses them, since you've went out of your way to help them in your new bodies they recognize you and want to keep you from being killed by flower Satan. It also explains why they didn't rebel against Asgore, since they still viewed him as a good man foing what they saw as good. It's also theorized that the souls are actually supposed to be a representation of which monster killed them, and that each monster adopted an aspect of the child they killed's personality as a way of trying to atone for having killed them.
 
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Count groudon said:
So there's this really interesting theory I heard
During the final boss fight, Flowey switches between all the different human souls that he's obtained to unleash different devastating attacks. Each soul has it's own unique color, and imagery associated with it's attack. People have noticed that the souls and their attacks seem to correspond with a character that you meet earlier in the game. Like the purple soul causes giant ballet slippers to appear and begin stomping seems to symbolize Muffet who features the color purple prominently in her battle and she seems to be themed around dancing, and the pink soul which attacks by summoning machines that launch negative words from speakers represents Mettaton who is a robot that is almost always talking into a microphone and features the color pink prominently in his final design. From this people are starting to think that the most powerful monsters you meet in the game are actually former lost children that have lost their souls to Asgore and were reborn as monsters. It would really explain why the souls slowly begin to rebel against Flowey during the fight when he uses them, since you've went out of your way to help them in your new bodies they recognize you and want to keep you from being killed by flower Satan. It also explains why they didn't rebel against Asgore, since they still viewed him as a good man foing what they saw as good. It's also theorized that the souls are actually supposed to be a representation of which monster killed them, and that each monster adopted an aspect of the child they killed's personality as a way of trying to atone for having killed them.
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Not bad, but I don't think it holds any water.
The souls can't just be "reborn" because they are still there, in a jar, for starters. Also there's no pink soul, it's the purple one that is related to the notebook. Muffet really has not much of a relation to anything but her own (literal) business, and is technically much more associated with baking than dancing. The soul associated with ballet is blue.
And about Flowey's final form (that isn't Asriel), the souls rebel even if you kill important monsters like Papyrus (you monster) and don't get into genocide ending.

Given how the game is very deliberate about its lore, it'd be much more obvious if it was the case.

As for the monsters taking some aspect from them killing the humans, we have to consider that Mettaton's body is artificial and still being worked on. And while I can buy Undyne killing one or some humans, that kinda doesn't match Alphys or Papyrus (who has never seen a human before, to boot).
 
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Count groudon said:
So there's this really interesting theory I heard
During the final boss fight, Flowey switches between all the different human souls that he's obtained to unleash different devastating attacks. Each soul has it's own unique color, and imagery associated with it's attack. People have noticed that the souls and their attacks seem to correspond with a character that you meet earlier in the game. Like the purple soul causes giant ballet slippers to appear and begin stomping seems to symbolize Muffet who features the color purple prominently in her battle and she seems to be themed around dancing, and the pink soul which attacks by summoning machines that launch negative words from speakers represents Mettaton who is a robot that is almost always talking into a microphone and features the color pink prominently in his final design. From this people are starting to think that the most powerful monsters you meet in the game are actually former lost children that have lost their souls to Asgore and were reborn as monsters. It would really explain why the souls slowly begin to rebel against Flowey during the fight when he uses them, since you've went out of your way to help them in your new bodies they recognize you and want to keep you from being killed by flower Satan. It also explains why they didn't rebel against Asgore, since they still viewed him as a good man foing what they saw as good. It's also theorized that the souls are actually supposed to be a representation of which monster killed them, and that each monster adopted an aspect of the child they killed's personality as a way of trying to atone for having killed them.
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Remember the weapons you can pick up in the game? The toy knife, the tough glove, the ballet shoes, the torn notebook, the frying pan, and the empty gun. I think it'd be more reasonable to associate his attacks with these items (presumably once owned by the other humans) than to associate the attacks with boss monsters that had killed a human and are now trying to make peace with what they've done by taking on the mannerisms of the dead human.

Personally, I figure they just rebelled because he's a dick.

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Mauvwomyn Shuffleboard said:
Remember the weapons you can pick up in the game? The toy knife, the tough glove, the ballet shoes, the torn notebook, the frying pan, and the empty gun. I think it'd be more reasonable to associate his attacks with these items (presumably once owned by the other humans) than to associate the attacks with boss monsters that had killed a human and are now trying to make peace with what they've done by taking on the mannerisms of the dead human.

Personally, I figure they just rebelled because he's a dick.

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Yeah now that I think about it that does make more sense. But what weapon were the speakers representing? I thought I managed to use every weapon in the game but I never found anything like that.
 
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Yeah now that I think about it that does make more sense. But what weapon were the speakers representing? I thought I managed to use every weapon in the game but I never found anything like that.
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You mean the fourth one where words are flying horizontally? That's the notebook you can buy from the turtle.
 
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I beat this game the correct way after legitimately shitting the bed my first run.

I can safely say my feels are making the Genocide run unrelenting, the pacifist routes hit me in the feels too hard. Someone give me Jesus, please.
 
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I beat this game the correct way after legitimately shitting the bed my first run.

I can safely say my feels are making the Genocide run unrelenting, the pacifist routes hit me in the feels too hard. Someone give me Jesus, please.
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Did you try to start a new game yet? That may help you decide. c;

EDIT: Nevermind I don't know how to read. If it helps at all, never forget...

that Papyrus always believed in you, up until the very end!

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"-Aw, she died.
-Do you feel bad about her dying? Should I reload from the last save?
-No."
Actual reaction to Toriel's death
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Well, at least he's on the right path.
 
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Could an Undertale story expansion or sequel even work? could it rely on the same settings if yes? I was thinking it could go a similar direction to Fallout Expansion DLC.

Ideas:

>Story involving a fallen soldier of Asgore's army
>Story involving the more personal aspects of Papyrus and Sans
>Story involving the RICH HISTORY OF TEM
 
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NumberingYourState said:
Could an Undertale story expansion or sequel even work? could it rely on the same settings if yes? I was thinking it could go a similar direction to Fallout Expansion DLC.

Ideas:

>Story involving a fallen soldier of Asgore's army
>Story involving the more personal aspects of Papyrus and Sans
>Story involving the RICH HISTORY OF TEM
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>Story involving W.D Gaster.
 
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