Unschooling - We don't need no education.

I laughed about the food analogy because I personally know radical unschoolers who bought a ton of pudding cups because their kids wanted them and let them eat them all day. I know of one who ran a bath for her 3 year old at 2 in the morning and let him eat strawberries in the bath even though she was pregnant and tired. I know one who let her child live with a cavity because she was scared of the dentist and didn't want to go.


This "radical unschooling" sounds more like "how to spoil your child". What are any of these anedotes teaching the kids other than they can get whatever they want from their parents?

These kids are going to grow up to be insufferable assholes.
 
Oh man, the people discussed in this thread. Yeah, just eradicate millenia of human development and turn the clocks back to the neolithic age. What is it with people these days wanting to undo the accomplishments of modern civilization? Do they all want to die horribly from infections which are easily preventable these days or get torn to shreds by a wild bear?

It's no wonder I wish spanking was in again.
Remember the wall of text I posted pages ago in which I raged about exceptional parenting practices? Spanking is one of them. You can discipline your child without physical violence, or even screaming at them.
 
Oh man, the people discussed in this thread. Yeah, just eradicate millenia of human development and turn the clocks back to the neolithic age. What is it with people these days wanting to undo the accomplishments of modern civilization? Do they all want to die horribly from infections which are easily preventable these days or get torn to shreds by a wild bear?
Something tells me the "parents" of their poor offspring may have had shitty childhoods and they want them to relive them.

Which honestly, just makes it worse, in my opinion.
 
Looking through this thread, it's amazing how these Unschoolers can't even follow their own philosphy. They go on about how their children will decide what they want to do, but they don't seem to foster any growth at all.
If I noticed my kid was interested in movies, or games or whatever and I wanted them to grow past the schooling enviroment, I'd teach them film, or maybe how to make simple games in basic or whatever (just going off by my own expirences when I was younger).
Instead these 'Radical Parents' are just letting their kids be (and grow up to be) lazy pieces of shit that will one day make CWC levels of milk for us.
 
Looking through this thread, it's amazing how these Unschoolers can't even follow their own philosphy. They go on about how their children will decide what they want to do, but they don't seem to foster any growth at all.
Well, they do follow their philosophy, but it has completely failed and is utterly unable to foster any growth, yet these parents don't seem to realize it and just carry on. And if they go on the Mothering forums and voice any doubts about whether this philosophy has worked out for their children, they will just get called monsters.

Something tells me the "parents" of their poor offspring may have had shitty childhoods and they want them to relive them.

Which honestly, just makes it worse, in my opinion.

It is often said that bad/abusive parents repeat their parents' mistakes. I wouldn't say they want their kids to experience the same things (because that would be beyond shitty, imagine a parent thinking "my parents beat me, and now I won't let my child have a happy childhood either!"), but they either: subconsciously repeat them because they don't know any better; or think that their parents were "right" somehow (when they definitely weren't).
 
I just love how there are a vast amount of resources that are available to give kids a much better education than the pubic school system at home (even if they did have their kids decide what to do) and yet all they do is literally have their kids sit in front of a TV and then play vidya games until 3 AM and call that learning.
 

It was not until after Charles's fourteenth birthday and the removal of his badly infected tonsils that he picked up a book (J.K. Rowling's latest Harry Potter release) and read it from beginning to end all on his own.
http://www.leapingfromthebox.com/art/kmg/learningtoread.html
http://www.leapingfromthebox.com/art/kmg/learningtoread2.html

Articles about a late reader

At age seven for example
After a several months, Charles decided that I wasn’t reading basketball books quickly enough to suit him or in sufficient quantity. He needed to read, but he didn’t seem to make any effort on his own. He wanted me to work with him on reading, so we began some reading lessons. Although we tried various different resources throughout the years, what seemed to work best was the book Teach Your Child to Read in 100 Easy Lessons.1 Little did I know when we began the book that it would take Charles almost two years to finish it! He enjoyed reading the stories, but he refused to learn the new words in advance. He wanted to learn them while he was reading — so that was the way we did it. We would read a story or sometimes half a story at a time. But even when possessing the desire to read, Charles quickly reached a certain level of ability and seemed unable to progress beyond that plateau. The harder he tried to learn more words, the more confused he would get and begin to forget the words he already learned. Then he became frustrated. And then, as the frustration level mounted, he lost interest for some time again. When he lost interest, we quit the lessons. And so I waited again for his interest to renew and for him to ask for help with reading. This was a cycle we were to repeat for years.
 
Found a Dank Unschooling Meme
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Cause yeah, never shutting up is proof that they have good socialization skills.

I found this when I looking at the #unschooling tag on Twitter

http://homeschoolgrouphug.com/homeschoolers-dont-times-tables/

A month ago we were summering in Richmond Upon Thames, London and my two boys were spending a lot of time with the two boys downstairs. As they discussed the finer points of Pokemon Go in the garden below my window, I overheard this conversation.

” You don’t go to school?”

“No.”

“Really!”

“Yes.”

“What’s six eights ?”

Boo replied ” I don’t know, but I know what six sixes are.”

Not a bad answer, but I wished I’d primed him.

The correct answer would be something along the lines of, “As homeschoolers we are not required to memorise times tables like a parrot to regurgitate on cue with zero thought process. Just give me a second and I’ll work it out for you if you don’t know. Don’t you have a calculator on that phone if you’re stuck?”
I mean, it's not like you will ever be in a position where you need to do a split-second decision that relies upon multiplication like any job that isn't manual labor.

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Yeah, it's not like their kid will ever be in the position where they have to learn how to have a good sleep schedule so that they can wake up at a certain time and be fully awake, like a job.

Found this wonderful picture on Twitter too using the #radicalunschooling tag
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Went to her site and saw this

Not all kids learn to read in the same way or at the same age. When my daughter was four, she picked up a library book she’d never seen before and read it to me.

Both of my boys, as happens sometimes when children are allowed to learn to read naturally, in their own time and rhythm, didn’t read until they were eleven years old.

The process might not look exactly the same for every unschooled child. But there are a few things that are and aren’t (almost always) present.

There are:
-Lots of words, everywhere. Newspapers with sales papers in them, video games and their guide books, television, laptops, board games, signs at food stands, road signs, a wide variety of books, even fortune cookies with words in them
-Other people who are reading, both independently for themselves and reading to them as much as they want to be read to
-Lots of interesting real-world experiences
-Lots of time to immerse themselves in things that fascinate them
-Lots of conversation
-Adults who invest a lot of time in their children, who genuinely enjoy being with them and spending time with them
But not:
-A set age when kids are expected to read
-Drilling and forced practice or or pressure or rewards for reading more.
-A progression of academic skills you’re expected to learn in order to not be behind what your classmates are doing.

Also I saw this comment when I was looking at her site
I have responded to this concern repeatedly, and I have taught (both homeschooled and as a teacher) many children from elementary through high school. So, I feel very confident, now that I have 20 years experience under my belt, and I like to reassure other parents as well. You are right that there may be some gaps in knowledge in the elementary years. But, that’s ok. The only reason your child needs to KNOW all that stuff is to perform well on standardized tests. In the long run, the student does ask about almost everything. They also see their own gaps in knowledge as they get older. And when they have a sincere desire to fill those gaps (usually around 12-14, but sometimes as late as 16), they learn very quickly. I know a homeschool boy who crammed 2 years of high school math into 6 months, because he decided he wanted to attend a college that required he be at Calculus level math for entry. He studied like crazy, but he did it on his own. It was grueling, but he wanted to do it. No one made him. And he succeeded. He scored well on the math entrance exam and was accepted to a prestigious college. There is nothing wrong with someone learning photosynthesis at 15 instead of in the 3rd grade. There is nothing wrong with someone learning the state capitols at 12 instead of in 2nd grade. Unless, of course, you want to plug them back into the system at any given point. In that case, then yes you probably need to practice a different method of educating your kids than unschooling. But if you’re committed for the long term to homeschooling, then truly natural, holistic learning can and will work in the long term.
http://www.sheilabaranoski.com/the-...d-homeschooling-explained-with-cookie-baking/
 
My son is 12 years old and has dyslexia and ADD. Ive been homeschooling for the past five years. We took him out of public school because of terrible treatment of him by his teachers for not being able to complete his work. I can answer any questions about that, however my problem is what's going on currently. I did a lot of research about homeschooling when we pulled him out of school, and at the time, we felt like the best thing for him would be to Unschool him, which is what we did until this past year.
However, last year we realized that we may have made a mistake and gone too far in that direction because while he's been happy and we've had a wonderful, amazing time together, he cannot write, spell, or do basic math.
I have been struggling last year and the first half of this year to try and get him up to speed but it's been a real struggle. He's an amazimg young man, however he just is not used to sitting down and doing just plain school work. My biggest struggle is trying to discern when a learning hurdle in a given subject is due to his ADD, dyslexia, or just laziness.
http://forum.homeschoolchristian.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=6452
 
http://widgets.cafemom.com/group/115189/forums/read/20844891/Unschooling_bad_idea?next=1

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Some people just shouldnt do this option and it shouldnt be allowed for just anyone.

My sister feels unschooling is great. My nephew is 18 and cant do first grade math. He can't add large numbers correctly. WHAT THE FUCK! Now he cant get his GED, from what Im told thats how they do things.

My take on her unschooling, is just not not schooling at all. No education happened, it was 12 years of summer vacation.
 

I'm not sure how these parents thought that unschooling would benefit them in the long run. Sure, in the short term the kids are happy to not do homework, etc. But how did these parents seriously think their children would learn responsibility and a work ethic all on their own?

Back then, education consisted of the 3 R's and that was all anyone needed (oversimplification, but you get the ides) since much of a child's education was gained through helping around the family farm or business so even if the typical citizen had little or no book schooling, they were still responsible adults. Education isn't just books, it's following a regimen and learning discipline so you can maintain and support yourself.

Some of these Unschool parents probably think that their children will somehow take care of them in their old age, but when an adult can not read, write, or do basic maths, that's not going to happen. it also speaks of laziness on the parents' part, since they could have homeschooled their children and didn't even do that. At least Jim Bob and Michelle Duggar's kids, with their faith-based homeschooling are better off than a Unschooled kid.
 
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I'm taking a human development class and my professor used to be an elementary school administrator. Part of his job at one point was to administer standardized tests to homeschooled children to check for competency.
He told us about one mother who informed him that her eight-year-old son was just "not ready for reading". He could understand things she read to him perfectly well and could do math and everything just fine, but he was not "ready" to actually learn to read. So she asked my prof to not give him the reading test. Well, since that would be illegal, he let them cheat basically by having the mother read the test to the kid instead of reading it himself. And the kid did just fine. The mom claimed that she had chosen to homeschool because had her snowflake son been put into public school, he would have been categorized as learning disabled because he just wasn't "ready" to read. And she couldn't bear the thought of her pwecious son being called a tard.
Two years after that test, the kid was "ready" to read, and was happily reading at the level expected of him. Personally I think the mom went "oh fuck, we're actually being held accountable" and kicked his ass into gear. But the whole story reeked of the unschooling mentality and I'm pretty disappointed that my professor saw nothing wrong with an illiterate eight-year-old.
 
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