Updating the CWCki

[Altera]

Again only inputting from the standpoint of a third party observer. I think all this equates to two major arguments of branding.

1. CWCKi is s historical telling of information from an objective observer perspective that seeks to explain and be cited.

2. CWCKi is a a trolling tool meant to grief chris by further controlling the narrative around him to piss him off with brutal biased honesty.

Well, if they intended to be a scholarly objective resource then they're failing spectacularly by making clearly biased meta narrative choices that arnt in thr spirit of objectivity. Not to mention a decade of obvious troll articles and meme history that from the core up make it extremely suspect. Least of all the known reluctance to hide stories so that they can use direct connections with chris to influence him, all while overtly saying that nobody should do that.

On the other hand, if the CWCKi is a trolling tool used to piss off chris and direct the narrative as much as tell it. Then I wish theyd cut it the fuck out. Thanks to their meddling our prized cow isnt producing milk if you havnt noticed. And just before the convention milking we were all looking forward to.

 

[StrawberryDouche]

It didn't happen so it lays in the realm of thought experiments, and isn't my real concern, even though it has a component of it.

Thing is, these thought experiments, the speculation, the hypotheticals clouds any facts you have. They are lost in the mud of it. Imagine fact and speculation as atomic elements. You've fused them together and now you have a compound that's a wholly different substance. This is obvious to observers. The kicking and screaming when this is pointed out only poisons the compound even further.

My real issue is the selective censoring of facts that are verifiable if you care to look into it, which I did, this isn't something I was told and took as gospel. It's stretches the bounds of credulity to think that Chris on his own, suddenly got interested in the same killer Sean Walker, who at that time had separated and isolated Chris from the (admittedly spergy and ill intentioned themselves) other people on the "Watchmen" that Sean had had a disagreement and falling out with.

And? So? Let's say this is true. And? So? You seem to want to write a character study of Sean, the conclusion of which is that he's a shitbag. And? So? Resolved: Sean is a shitbag. Now what? What do you want to come from that? Because you (collective you) do in fact want something to come from that. That's your objective. Which is fine. But let's drop the pretense that your motives are pure and your heart is noble.

Sean isolated Chris from MkR and her posse of faggots, using manipulation and the hangovers of the Nazi shit Wise put in his head, because he, Sean, had ideas of himself being "the most powerful person in the CwC sphere," and so he had Chris to himself.
Right about this time Chris started bringing up a guy, a spree killer Sean had made a 9 part "documentary" over and whose delusions sre eerily similar to Chris.

Chris's entire online life and his real world actions have been the product of trolling. Your complaint would appear to be the purity of the trolling and assigning values to it. That's ridiculous on its face. Benevolent trolling, malevolent trolling - it was all done for the amusement of everyone other than Chris. That benefits literally everyone other than Chris. There is no altruism here. You're concern trolling.

This stretches the bounds of coincidence, is verifiable, and was removed from the Wiki by a person who, despite claims to the contrary, evidence shows was very cozy with the people whose pages he was editing.

Okay. You're not going to wrest control of the wiki from the people who own and run it, even if your evidence were conclusive, which it isn't. It's suggestive.

It's the conflict of interest I find distateful.

Then make your own wiki. One free from conflict with the sole objective being the truth backed by verifiable evidence.

In any other field of documentation of events, the people with close involvement and vested interest in the spin of those events, aren't people who should be recording them.
It's a credibility issue.

Lol. This is not science and it isn't academia. That anyone on Your Side is any more credible than the other is a delusion. A pretty hilarious one to observers. You guys are a one collective cow at this point. You say things like IN ANY OTHER FIELD OF DOCUMENTATION and the rest of us do this-

That brings me onto your second point, if Null examined the edits and found nothing wrong with them, then thats his opinion, which I respect, but I don't share in this case, what I've seen makes me believe different, and with all due respect, Nulls opinion on this situation is irrelevant to my point.

Your "opinion" is not more relevant than his concerning Chris. How silly you would think that it is.

What you're doing with this point is called an Appeal to Authority, and it's a logical fallacy.

Lol calm down reddit. Again I say-

As I have explained, it's the selective editing and censorship of verifiable facts about one group, by a person with ties to that group, and the inconsistency of the way people from this faction are documented as opposed to people from an opposing and rival faction.

Yes, we knowwwwww omg you have no authority at the wiki. Go start your own where there will never be any edits and everything is pure.

Lol factions. Opposing factions! I mean... I just...

 

[human trash]

It's the conflict of interest I find distateful.
In any other field of documentation of events, the people with close involvement and vested interest in the spin of those events, aren't people who should be recording them.
It's a credibility issue.

i stopped reading your long ass post about absolutely nothing here

are you seriously complaining that the website 'documenting' a sped - wherein 80% of articles or more on the website use the word 'faggot' - has a credibility/integrity issue?

nigger, i don't know what to suggest to you. go outside for a bit? take your meds? neck yourself in roblox? pick one and run with it i guess but do anything other than be a bleeding heart over this non-issue taking place on an entirely different website to this one

 

[Procrastinhater]

i stopped reading your long ass post about absolutely nothing here

are you seriously complaining that the website 'documenting' a sped - wherein 80% of articles or more on the website use the word 'faggot' - has a credibility/integrity issue?

nigger, i don't know what to suggest to you. go outside for a bit? take your meds? neck yourself in roblox? pick one and run with it i guess but do anything other than be a bleeding heart over this non-issue taking place on an entirely different website to this one

You guys both made some good points in a way that made me laugh. I'd buy you both a drink if I could. Not often I get a chuckle.
The Point










Your head.
But you do you. It's entertaining at least

 

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The Anaxis-Guarding by @The American Hedgehog continues. I don't really know what he thinks he's playing at. It's definitely not going to work in Anaxis's favor long run. You can bank on that.

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Anaxis seems like a pissant bit-player in the Merge other than an appearance or two in logs. CWCki editor and CWCki Discord mod, which is sus as hell being a Sean affiliate and Watchmen/Knights member but honestly I would probably have forgotten the name by now if not for all this cloak-and-dagger fuckery that's been going on to protect this very specific person. Thing is according to CWCki Discord leaks, Anaxis is taking a "mental health" break. I am sure that it will benefit her mental health to know that every time HTL/TAH tries to cover for her on the CWCki she becomes way, way more interesting.

Explain yourself.

As for the alleged reason for the edit, I don't even know what the fuck this is supposed to mean ...

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... but it sure does not argue against the fact that it is established fact that Anaxis was editing the CWCki to leak materials from conversations that she had with Chris using the name "Lainchu" while maintaining the fiction that these materials were leaked by a third party (Lainchu, a sockpuppet/RP account/pseudonym, not a person) to Anaxis who then posted them on the CWCki instead of just being the origin herself.

What gives?

You are so obsessed with this man lol

 

[PsychoNerd054]

You guys both made some good points in a way that made me laugh. I'd buy you both a drink if I could. Not often I get a chuckle.
The Point










Your head.
But you do you. It's entertaining at least

"Oh hey guys, you make a lot of good points and I'll consider it, but you're also a bunch of screaming retards and you're wrong about everything and it's funny as hell that I'm mocking you".

Have you been hearing yourself talk? I think a lot of this can be compromised by not being cheeky as fuck.

 

[Procrastinhater]

"Oh hey guys, you make a lot of good points and I'll consider it, but you're also a bunch of screaming retards and you're wrong about everything and it's funny as hell that I'm mocking you".

Have you been hearing yourself talk? I think a lot of this can be compromised by not being cheeky as fuck.

Well, those things aren't mutually exclusive, and besides, what you said, ok, that's fair enough, you're right to point it out, but bro, I give back what I'm given.
Shit talk me and I'll take the piss and mock you.
Talk to me in a civil manner without the snark, I'll respond in kind.
I didn't shit talk Monkey Man or you did I?
You're right, though, and having said my piece I'm happy to step away unless anything else occurs, because I'm just talking in circles at this point, and it's not helping or achieving anything.
To finish my analogy, I've pointed out the funny smell, it's not my job to clean the carpets.

 

[DiggieSmalls]

I don’t think Chris needs to be documented anymore.

 

[Spooky Bones]

A lot of good posts in the past few pages. Here's a few that highlight some stuff I've been thinking about and trying to articulate, too.

It was also suggested to me by someone in Supporters that I make a post which outlines my issues in a very dry and straightforward manner, because some people don't like my writing or find it difficult to follow. I'll be doing this. After that I'm not sure how much I'll post on this subject absent new stuff because I'll laid out my case.

Just to add some perspective: The CWCKi is just for fun. That's all it is. It's not "authoritative" about anything. It's a site designed to host embarrassing personal details about a hilarious and fascinating autistic buffoon. And then put a little humorous spin on it.

Its always been highly suspect that any of the trolls involved in chris stories could edit their own pages or their friends pages. It was acceptable because it used to be branded as a way to specific piss off chris. With this new "scholarly" "history" branding, its kinda gay.

not that my opinion means shit or anything, but the cwcki is a wiki about a tard that's ran by tards and the idea of it being some kinda 'authoritative resource' came about because of geno samuel IMO.

@human trash brings up Geno, who has a lot to answer for that's beyond the scope of this conversation, but is absolutely the tipping point for a lot of things: I'd agree that it was around that time, and the influx of normies and redditors into the "hobby" of following Chris, that the CWCki ceased to be basically an ED-offshoot that was for trolls and by trolls. There are pretensions of it being something else now and even if they are not actively encouraged on the CWCki (and I'd argue that they are, at least implicitly) the CWCki is viewed by these normie/redditor types as an authority. As Wikipedia, not as Encyclopedia Dramatica.

If I read an ED article, I expect it to be written in a way that panders to laughs and possibly by people dabbing on their enemies. If I read old CWCki articles, I usually see something similar (not surprising given the shared heritage) at least in terms of being written for laughs and in an inflated way. But now there's a disconnect. If there was some /b/-style disclaimer ("The stories and information posted here are artistic works of fiction and falsehood. Only a fool would take anything posted here as fact") that would be one thing, but there's not. And people do take what's written there seriously and all as fact.

More so than in the Classic Era, there is definitely an effort to document Chris exhaustively ("NSITM") and accurately and my issue is not primarily with the coverage of Chris but as I've said repeatedly my issue about the documentation of other figures in the story and there are receipts for days on this being done in an inconsistent manner (and one that doesn't look accidentally inconsistent at all.) Again, if there were no pretensions to being some kind of authoritative historical record, that'd be maybe annoying but not worth getting worked up over. But that's not the case.

There is a tremendous amount of attention to Chris right now and this will continue as his legal situation plays out but also in terms of when people in the future want to learn about the story of the Merge, including people like Geno, Devon, Dillin, Rogue, and others who have large audiences. This is probably the most important thing. If the CWCki, for instance, makes Sean out to be an alright kind of guy and erases the misdeeds of other people in that circle but targets others, that's a major problem, particularly the first part. I'm all for putting people on blast, it's not only deserved but perhaps more importantly it's funny.

But when the narrative that's going to be seen as "official" is manipulated not only is hypocritical but it is liable to trickle down through YouTube faggots to the mainstream Internet who'll then never learn about (for example) Sean and Devon's various acts of fuckery. And when the narrative is being manipulated by people who were verifiably involved, at a minimum, with some of the personalities regarding who's narrative is being manipulated, that's in my view an act of fuckery in itself or at the very least is so seriously an appearance of fuckery that it needs to be avoided. Now, if it were all just for a laugh, that'd be one thing, but the CWCki at least seen by many to be Serious Business for quite a while now, and by that very fact needs to be treated as such.

 

[DiscoRodeo]

particularly the first part. I'm all for putting people on blast, it's not only deserved but perhaps more importantly it's funny.

Thats the real sin, because not only are the gayops being brought to light and rats fleeing from the ship, tripping over themselves, funny, exposing that can also be informative of the larger 'community' as a whole and how pretentious it's gotten. But yeah, most importantly, its quite amusing to watch people like GiBi flounder again, and again, getting caught with his hand up the ass of someone trying to fuck Chris multiple times while telling his audience everything but, or Sean with his pretensions of being "the most powerful person in the CWCkisphere and final protagonist" only to be exposed as a mutated sped trying to get Chris to spiritually channel Randy Stair.

Watching those two get caught with their pants down, along with Bella, was funny.

I don't care who is trying to protect them, but if you want to cut off the supply of auxiliary milk because you have an interest in covering your own ass because you are associated with these clowns as well, you also deserve to be chuckled at.

 

[PsychoNerd054]

Because people don't like people standing on soapboxes while exhaustively wallposting, witch-hunting autism with hints of womanly sass and internet detective faggotry, and just don't have the time to decipher shit through all of that, I think it's best if I put what I think are the main concerns in a much more digestible form. Hopefully this will make everyone happy without any further shit-flinging.

Spoiler: Main Concerns about the CWCki

1. The CWCki, whether we want to admit it or not, is becoming a source people in general are becoming reliant on for learning about Chris and his antics. Several Youtubes like Geno and GiBi are using this website as their primary source for information.

2. When Chris became a major talking point on the internet, the CWCki didn't initially serve that purpose. It was just there to separate the autism the ED page on him was causing.

3. Because of the second point, many of the articles didn't initially put an objective standpoint on Chris's life, and instead exaggerated several things, while also praising trolls and degrading Chris. This attitude has changed greatly, and the CWCki has been discouraging the contact of Chris as a result.

4. We have editors from the website, including a moderator from the site, going on Watchmen servers, and talking to Chris, sometimes making seemingly suspect posts on the Idea Guys and Sean. Along with that, said mod decided to use a sockpuppet in order to cover up one of those editors' involvement with Lainchu. This can give the site a bad look, especially when people are stirring shit over it, and we put so much emphasis on not contacting Chris.

5. Several people on the website, such as Fiona, Anaxis, GiBi, Winfield, and others are having information on them redacted on the website. Seemingly selectively because there's apparently always a motive for removing some things at certain times than others.

6. Therefore, the overall tone on how we document Chris and the events surrounding him should change greatly considering that the man is in the clink, and not much of a source of humor anymore.

If I could suggest anything out of all of that, I think we need to put a stricter emphasis on NPOV, like Wikipedia and sites like it do. At least then the consistency that is needed can be more easily achieved, and the CWCki can indeed be a more reliable source of information.

Seriously though, If I have learned anything from all of this, being in that whole bandwagon myself, it's if you have concerns regarding anything, regardless of how legitimate they are, you don't need to make it into some big drama where everyone joins your personal army to take down and "expose" the perpetrators of their crimes. We're documenting the bumbling antics of a fat retard, and the other wackos he attracts, not a mass shooting.

 

[DiscoRodeo]

Again only inputting from the standpoint of a third party observer. I think all this equates to two major arguments of branding.

1. CWCKi is s historical telling of information from an objective observer perspective that seeks to explain and be cited.

2. CWCKi is a a trolling tool meant to grief chris by further controlling the narrative around him to piss him off with brutal biased honesty.

Well, if they intended to be a scholarly objective resource then they're failing spectacularly by making clearly biased meta narrative choices that arnt in thr spirit of objectivity. Not to mention a decade of obvious troll articles and meme history that from the core up make it extremely suspect. Least of all the known reluctance to hide stories so that they can use direct connections with chris to influence him, all while overtly saying that nobody should do that.

On the other hand, if the CWCKi is a trolling tool used to piss off chris and direct the narrative as much as tell it. Then I wish theyd cut it the fuck out. Thanks to their meddling our prized cow isnt producing milk if you havnt noticed. And just before the convention milking we were all looking forward to.

A lot of it boils down to this.

If it is trolls who have vested interest in Chris, are running gayops of their own, or are very much involved in some of the less savory parts of Chris chan, there should be transparency there.

If it is to be more objective, and the CWCKi seems to want to portray itself that way, it can't have that.

If the site has one group of trolls and hanger ons covering up their own shit (TAH and Sean Walker/the watchmen) and running politics over who can be explored on the site and who can't, because of whom is linked to who, the situation just stinks, to be blunt.

 

[PsychoNerd054]

There is a tremendous amount of attention to Chris right now and this will continue as his legal situation plays out but also in terms of when people in the future want to learn about the story of the Merge, including people like Geno, Devon, Dillin, Rogue, and others who have large audiences. This is probably the most important thing. If the CWCki, for instance, makes Sean out to be an alright kind of guy and erases the misdeeds of other people in that circle but targets others, that's a major problem, particularly the first part. I'm all for putting people on blast, it's not only deserved but perhaps more importantly it's funny.

See though, I used that have that mentality with the CWCki itself, that we should use this site to call people out.

But I think that's a big problem in itself if we're so concerned about the CWCki being consistent, trustworthy, and reliable, as well as people possibly becoming weens from the way information on there is presented. While I certainly want the CWCki to be more reliable and consistent myself, especially considering how people are now relying on the website more than ever, I don't think we should go about it on the basis of what we think is "funny" or who we think "deserves it". I feel that's counterintuitive as all fuck, especially when there are people that already sympathize with Chris to varying degrees, and seek different types of lols from other cows.

That's literally what we have the Kiwi Farms for. The CWCki shouldn't have any responsibilty to tell you that GiBi is fat, or that Ellen has "awful tastes" in music, or that a Praetor has an OnlyFans account if we're really concerned about glorify or depricating people. It's not bannable per say, but it's besides the point of the main story. Some people think it's disgusting, others don't give a shit, and only care about Chris's idiocy. And if the gayops show anything, just showing the embarassing shit on other trolls isn't going to make a bunch of crazy fucks NOT contact Chris. People are just going to try and find more and more elaborate means to trolling Chris without getting caught. Basically you have people that think "That can't happen to me."

Basically what I'm saying is, we can't have our cake and eat it too. Attempting to have the site be totally true and honest, and not glorify people, and yet basing that on subjective stuff like what we think is "funny" or who "deserves it" just opens a whole new can of worms on what kind of info can be provided. Whatever someone makes due with the info provided is not really the CWCki's responsibility by that point if we just provide it all objectively and neutrally is what I propose.

 

[Spooky Bones]

See though, I used that have that mentality with the CWCki itself, that we should use this site to call people out.

But I think that's a big problem in itself if we're so concerned about the CWCki being consistent, trustworthy, and reliable, as well as people possibly becoming weens from the way information on there is presented. While I certainly want the CWCki to be more reliable and consistent myself, especially considering how people are now relying on the website more than ever, I don't think we should go about it on the basis of what we think is "funny" or who we think "deserves it". I feel that's counterintuitive as all fuck, especially when there are people that already sympathize with Chris to varying degrees, and seek different types of lols from other cows.

That's literally what we have the Kiwi Farms for. The CWCki shouldn't have any responsibilty to tell you that GiBi is fat, or that Ellen has "awful tastes" in music, or that a Praetor has an OnlyFans account if we're really concerned about glorify or depricating people. It's not banned per say, but it's besides the point of the main story. Some people think it's disgusting, others don't give a shit, and only care about Chris's idiocy. And if the gayops show anything, just showing the embarassing shit on other trolls isn't going to make people NOT contact Chris. People are just going to find more and more elaborate means to trolling Chris. Basically you have people that think "That can't happen to me."

Basically what I'm saying is, we can't have our cake and eat it too. Having the site be totally true and honest, and not glorify people, and yet basing that on subjective stuff like what we think is "funny" or who "deserves it" just opens a whole new can of worms on what kind of info can be provided.

What criteria would you use then to decide who is relevant to the story and what about them is relevant? Information about idiots who insert themselves into the story is obviously important to the story itself as far as that goes, but beyond that, how would you decide what's relevant? Brings us kind of back to the first question about whether fun or strictly factual documentation is the purpose of the CWCki.

I'm of the opinion that the more information about these people the better, and they can be confined to their own articles, so it's not like their presence is detracting from anyone else. Why the aversion to including them? (If the concern is about encouraging them, it's something I've discussed a few times, but in short, just look at the reactions of people to getting doxed. They are not happy about it. If anything you'll encourage people by mentioning them briefly without the embarrassing stuff. "My name is in the CWCki, yay!" might be an aspiration for a lot of weenish types but "my name is in the CWCki and it says I'm ugly and rape dogs", or whatever, is something nobody is going to say, ever.)

If you don't want to include these people, there's going to be significant gaps in the story, and information about who they are and what they are like is important because it does very much impact the "story." Having them just be briefly mentioned with no fleshing out of them as characters weakens the overall ability to tell Chris's story. How can you tell the story of the events from 27 July-6 August without going into detail about Sean, Bella, Fiona, and Devon at a minimum? And if you don't tell a bit about these characters, then the story suffers.

I wrote (in part) on the CWCki itself back on 24 October:

[...] there are a few different categories: (a) the core dramatis personae, already doxed to high heaven, this would include Chandler family members; Meghan Schroeder, etc. (b) important Internet personalities like Meghan K. Ringo, the rest of the Watchmen, etc.; (c) major players in major scandals like Sean Walker, Isabella Loretta Janke, Devon John Infinito, Wise and Boyd, etc.; (d) public figures like (also) Devon John Infinito, Ethan Oliver Ralph, etc.; (e) random weens from the Internet who get doxed as sport like Rosa Ray Ramsey; (f) weens who take it to the next level like Ellen Underwod Willis or Dylon James Winfield. There might be one or more categories that could be added and I'm only focusing on recent history here but I feel like the gradations here are pretty objective and less liable to being abused.​

Developing a policy that lends itself to consistency across these categories would be difficult. Which is why I think the best option would be to say "fuck it" and include whatever about whoever gets themselves involved. It's a Wiki. You're not detracting from the main subject by including tangential subjects on other pages. But if you want to have notability criteria, they need to be applied objectively. And by people who are not involved with the people in question.

Even if we restrict ourselves to people who are really important to the story, there's still ongoing as of last week edits being made in protection of Sean and Devon, who I don't think can be reasonably said to not be important to the story.

 

[PsychoNerd054]

@Spooky Bones

Yeah, I'm not going to lie, if we really do want to understand the entire story, we need to touch upon these characters here and there. I'm not saying that we shouldn't, I just think that there's a limit as to how deep we should go. If there weren't, we may as well discuss what someone had for breakfast the morning they started their plot on Chris if we wanted to be completely "true and honest". By that point, it's just ridiculous. I certainly think that a boundary needs to be set on how much info is enough, and we should stick to it consistently.

Even on Fiona's page, where her personal info is redacted, I wrote extensively on her page about how she got into Chris, and all of the drama that she got involved in. But that was more to provide background info on those events surrounding Chris. It's just that in the grand scheme of things, some of them aren't really necessary for understanding Chris's story. Maybe a splinter site could work in documenting post-merge weens if people are really that interested, but I think you'd have to set guidelines for who's notable as well.

 

[Holdek]

I think we need to put a stricter emphasis on NPOV, like Wikipedia and sites like it do. At least then the consistency that is needed can be more easily achieved, and the CWCki can indeed be a more reliable source of information.

Sure, we could do that, but that would change the fundamental character of the project from something kind of silly to Wikipedia. A similar type of project was attempted by Null with the Lolcow Wiki, and it failed, in large part because a site that has a super serious approach to topics like this guy may attract obsessive autistic wiki editors, but it isn't enjoyable to casual readers.

On the other hand, as @Spooky Bones argues above, perhaps that's just the role the CWCKi is naturally going in nowadays, and it's passing this humble Christorian by.

 

[Friend of Dorothy Parker]

A lot of good posts in the past few pages. Here's a few that highlight some stuff I've been thinking about and trying to articulate, too.

It was also suggested to me by someone in Supporters that I make a post which outlines my issues in a very dry and straightforward manner, because some people don't like my writing or find it difficult to follow. I'll be doing this. After that I'm not sure how much I'll post on this subject absent new stuff because I'll laid out my case.



@human trash brings up Geno, who has a lot to answer for that's beyond the scope of this conversation, but is absolutely the tipping point for a lot of things: I'd agree that it was around that time, and the influx of normies and redditors into the "hobby" of following Chris, that the CWCki ceased to be basically an ED-offshoot that was for trolls and by trolls. There are pretensions of it being something else now and even if they are not actively encouraged on the CWCki (and I'd argue that they are, at least implicitly) the CWCki is viewed by these normie/redditor types as an authority. As Wikipedia, not as Encyclopedia Dramatica.

If I read an ED article, I expect it to be written in a way that panders to laughs and possibly by people dabbing on their enemies. If I read old CWCki articles, I usually see something similar (not surprising given the shared heritage) at least in terms of being written for laughs and in an inflated way. But now there's a disconnect. If there was some /b/-style disclaimer ("The stories and information posted here are artistic works of fiction and falsehood. Only a fool would take anything posted here as fact") that would be one thing, but there's not. And people do take what's written there seriously and all as fact.

More so than in the Classic Era, there is definitely an effort to document Chris exhaustively ("NSITM") and accurately and my issue is not primarily with the coverage of Chris but as I've said repeatedly my issue about the documentation of other figures in the story and there are receipts for days on this being done in an inconsistent manner (and one that doesn't look accidentally inconsistent at all.) Again, if there were no pretensions to being some kind of authoritative historical record, that'd be maybe annoying but not worth getting worked up over. But that's not the case.

There is a tremendous amount of attention to Chris right now and this will continue as his legal situation plays out but also in terms of when people in the future want to learn about the story of the Merge, including people like Geno, Devon, Dillin, Rogue, and others who have large audiences. This is probably the most important thing. If the CWCki, for instance, makes Sean out to be an alright kind of guy and erases the misdeeds of other people in that circle but targets others, that's a major problem, particularly the first part. I'm all for putting people on blast, it's not only deserved but perhaps more importantly it's funny.

But when the narrative that's going to be seen as "official" is manipulated not only is hypocritical but it is liable to trickle down through YouTube faggots to the mainstream Internet who'll then never learn about (for example) Sean and Devon's various acts of fuckery. And when the narrative is being manipulated by people who were verifiably involved, at a minimum, with some of the personalities regarding who's narrative is being manipulated, that's in my view an act of fuckery in itself or at the very least is so seriously an appearance of fuckery that it needs to be avoided. Now, if it were all just for a laugh, that'd be one thing, but the CWCki at least seen by many to be Serious Business for quite a while now, and by that very fact needs to be treated as such.

Or, short version: conflicts of interest subvert an "official" annal.

 

[PsychoNerd054]

Sure, we could do that, but that would change the fundamental character of the project from something kind of silly to Wikipedia. A similar type of project was attempted by Null with the Lolcow Wiki, and it failed, in large part because a site that has a super serious approach to topics like this guy may attract obsessive autistic wiki editors, but it isn't enjoyable to casual readers.

On the other hand, as @Spooky Bones argues above, perhaps that's just the role the CWCKi is naturally going in nowadays, and it's passing this humble Christorian by.

At this rate, as weird a transition that is, it just feels like the next necessary step, considering how people are putting so much trust in the website now, and is being used as an actual source. Like, it doesn't have to treat everything super serious or anything, but some consistency and integrity would certainly help out. We have this entire wiki that archives everything Chris related, and people are free to use that info as they see fit. I feel that the server and the Farms kind of provide the silliness and fun that the CWCki once provided. The CWCki would just serve as the resource for that fun, and a lot of older Chris stuff is already funny without the commentary anyway. It just sort of speaks for itself. Plus, Chris will be pretty dry on content in the following years, so I don't see much of a Lolcow Wiki scenario here.

Outside of the witch hunting, I feel that's where Spooky is right in a lot of this. People are putting a lot of trust in the website these days, and it therefore requires a degree of integrity not previously present beforehand.

 

[longlurk new accunt]

Seriously though, If I have learned anything from all of this, being in that whole bandwagon myself, it's if you have concerns regarding anything, regardless of how legitimate they are, you don't need to make it into some big drama where everyone joins your personal army to take down and "expose" the perpetrators of their crimes. We're documenting the bumbling antics of a fat exceptional individual, and the other wackos he attracts, not a mass shooting.

well most people who get into it with way too much passion and seriousness are in the "other wackos he attracts" category.

Though, imho, dates, sources where available and such should be accurate as reasonably possible, but the color on the text itself who cares, unless you think that the spin anyone puts on crapping his pants or him yelling that he isn't gay really matters, it's still what it is. if anything the pages being full of faggot, nigger etc stuff makes Chris look better for most casual normies stumbling upon it because those words make them reject the actual stuff in the text.

if it was written in super serious tone that could be funny too, but who cares if it calls some ween as a faggot or not or says that Chris is a tard for cutting the taint, that's color on text not presented as objective information that chris or some ween in fact would be a faggot.

The morally worst thing would be if the tone was changed to super serious and cleaned up while having known historical inaccuracies or some dolts self written articles about themselves - but even then I would be still be onboard for changing it just for the lulz totally to display chris as some harvard graduate who was victim of trans panic and bullied off the campus while working on cancer research and troll some MSM outlet to use it as a source.

edit: anyone thinking they're in a 'faction' is a faggot wacko and needs some social interaction not related to chris.

 

[Procrastinhater]

: anyone thinking they're in a 'faction' is a faggot wacko and needs some social interaction not related to chris.

That was exactly my point. Thanks for spelling it out better than I did.