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US pedestrian deaths are soaring. Is it time to ban right turns on red lights?​

Nearly fifty years after the federal government pushed for looser rules, cities across the country are considering a change

Matthew Cantor in Los Angeles

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Tue 17 Oct 2023 13.00 BST

For the past 50 years, red-blooded Americans have enjoyed a freedom the Founding Fathers hardly dreamed of: the ability to turn right on a red light. But with pedestrian fatalities at a four-decade high, a movement is afoot to change that.

This month, San Francisco supervisors unanimously voiced support for a ban on right-on-red. Last year, the practice was banned in Cambridge, Massachusetts. New York has long barred it, Denver could soon, and Washington DC has taken steps toward a ban. Seattle, meanwhile, has made no-right-on-red the city’s “default” policy at new traffic signals. A growing media chorus agrees it’s time for change.


The shift comes as pedestrian deaths in the US soar to their highest levels since 1981. Last year, at least 7,508 people were killed while walking, according to a report by the non-profit Governors Highway Safety Association, which also found a 77% increase in fatalities between 2010 and 2021.

There are many possible reasons for this, including the popularity of SUVs, more people walking in suburbs built for cars, and reckless driving that worsened during Covid. Banning right turns on red lights certainly wouldn’t eliminate all pedestrian deaths – but it could help, advocates say.

“The key to safe streets is predictability – me knowing what you’re going to do and you knowing what I’m going to do and therefore we navigate the space together,” says John Yi, executive director of Los Angeles Walks, a pedestrian advocacy non-profit in a city known for its car culture. A ban on right-on-red, he says, “creates more predictability”.

People for Bikes, a national organization aimed at getting more people cycling, includes a call for a ban in its model legislation. “Intersections are a really important part of improving road safety. It’s where we tend to see the most conflicts between people biking and people driving,” says Martina Haggerty, the organization’s senior director of local innovation.

Turning right on red was only legal in a few states until the 1970s, when the federal government, facing an oil crisis, told states to allow it – or lose their energy funding. The idea was that cars would use less fuel if they avoided sitting at red lights. That law remains in place, despite research from 1984 showing that at intersections allowing right-on-red, crashes jump 23%, pedestrian crashes increase by 60%, and cyclist crashes double.

Perhaps this was partially related to uncertainty over new laws – but a study last year raises similar concerns. When University of Toronto researchers equipped drivers with glasses that tracked their eye movements, they found that drivers generally kept a close eye on pedestrians – but their attention was “heavily skewed” toward the left at intersections, as they looked for a gap in traffic so they could turn right. (Canada, like the US, generally allows right-on-red.)

“Attention is a limited resource,” says Birsen Donmez, an author of the study. When drivers are focused on finding a gap, they have less capacity to track pedestrians trying to cross in front of them.

Donmez, who has lived in the US and Canada, says she would support banning right turns on red lights – in fact, she says, the best-case scenario would be “fully protected” turns, in which pedestrian and vehicle crossings are entirely isolated from each other.

But supporters of a ban acknowledge the barriers to change, especially at a federal level. “There’s a car-centric culture in parts of the US,” she says. “If your main form of transportation is with a car and you don’t get the chance to walk because it’s not walkable, I can see why people say: ‘This is going to hurt me and I don’t see the value.’”

Yi, the pedestrian advocate, agrees. “I’m a driver myself, and oftentimes, we are in streets that are incredibly busy, traffic congested, and many see a right turn on red as a means of getting home faster,” he says. Especially in Los Angeles, anything that would slow traffic “causes anxiety”.

And some engineers still see fuel savings and a reduction in air pollution as perks in favor of turning right on red. But Haggerty, of People for Bikes, argues “the benefit of saving lives far outweighs the fuel savings here, especially as we push to reduce vehicle miles travelled and switch to more fuel efficient cars and EVs”.

What’s more, when it comes to eco-friendly cycling, “infrastructure tends to be the biggest barrier to participation because of the very real fear of personal safety when riding a bike,” she notes. “And so to create a more bike-friendly environment for people, we really have to improve road safety everywhere.”

Donmez says when we allow right turns on red, “we are putting the drivers in a situation where they’re gonna fail for sure. Not all the time, right? It’s rare these things happen,” she notes. “But at the same time, we’re looking at millions of interactions, and crashes do happen, and people die. Even a single person’s life being lost due to this – that’s unacceptable.”

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Why dont you fuckers look or, just hustle. Where I am, the stoplight has a little buzzer that will beep at you that its okay to go, the sign turns to the crossing man and counts down how many seconds before you better be across the street, and people/cars seem to respect that, weirdly. Maybe my city has 'no right turn on red' signs on certain streets of Im not at bad intersections at bad times. I guess Im also from a small city turned boomtown so most of the streets are at most 6 or so lanes wide maybe more if theyre 2 way or they have a median, most downtown are like 4 or 5
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pedestrian deaths in the US soar to their highest levels since 1981. Last year, at least 7,508 people were killed while walking, according to a report by the non-profit Governors Highway Safety Association, which also found a 77% increase in fatalities between 2010 and 2021.

There are many possible reasons for this, including the popularity of SUVs, more people walking in suburbs built for cars, and reckless driving that worsened during Covid. Banning right turns on red lights certainly wouldn’t eliminate all pedestrian deaths – but it could help, advocates say.
Journo deaths are about to start soaring in the US too you lying fuck. You couldnt possibly be going fast enough at a right turn to kill someone, especially in a citys grid, unless the grid is retarded like Boston or whatever on those Barely Maps meme posters by that designer. So this is absolutely retarded drivers in general, and probably shit in suburbs and exurbs like no sidewalks and people not walking in the grass/moving when they hear or see a car, people bitching about people walking on the lawn and no streetlights because 'muh natural sky' that they dont go out to see and if they do its probably not that bright anyway.

If you ban right on red I guarantee people will break it out of spite and pedestrian deaths in crosswalks will like triple, people will be trying to race the light if not outright just being pissed at such a stupid decision.
 
I'm lucky to live in a ~7,000 population city and I will say rural/small towns are vastly more walkable than shithole metropolises with a gorillion interchanges and bumper-to-bumper traffic.
I can't help but notice all these places are big to huge cities.


Same argument they use for gun control, every death is too much. So just advocate for cars to not be able to go over 25mph, because high speed crashes kill a lot more people than right-turn-on-red does.
 
Why dont you fuckers look or, just hustle.
I can't speak for every location; but here in California, we have a homeless and jogger problem, where these idiots will fucking start walking across the street whenever they feel like. It's seriously no uncommon to have near misses or see people standing in the middle of a road, because traffic got too heavy while they're mid cross. Do drivers have a problem like stopping in the middle of a cross-walk and doing other shit, sure; but I've come close to clipping pedestrians because I'm doing the city mandated 45, and some jacknape decides it's time to step off the curb, full stride, into the fucking road.
 
Total Stoplight Death. Roundabouts are the way to go.
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Funny they didn't mention the actual cause of the increase, retards walking into traffic while on their phones.
Recently, the jaywalking charges around my area were reduced to a stern talking-to on the basis of "the pedestrian should cross only when it is safe"
Do you really think Boat-Fresh Chang nor Shaneequa From Down The Block are going to give a single fuck about jaywalking when they were told, in essence, that it's legal as long as nobody turns you into road pizza?
 
How fast could you possibly be going if you just stopped at a light. I guess a bus or something that size could be deadly at any speed, but come on now..

The problem is that the drivers/vehicles aren't stopping.

They're rolling up to the intersection fully committed to the turn.
 
I say increasing pedestrian deaths are a good thing.

Too many have forgotten the healthy respect they should have for things that can enforce mortality upon them in a second, and learn to act accordingly.
I think some hope they will get hit because pedestrians always have right of way.
 
Drivers and pedestrians just need to practice awareness. Right on red is a completely sensible thing that shouldn't be stopped because it isn't done perfectly.

Bicycle advocates should also always be completely disregarded.
I am almost certain this rise in under 15 mph, car-pedestrian fatalities arise from one thing: the rise of the smartphone.
  1. Some dipshit pedestrian has been looking at their phone while the light has been green for 30 seconds, and they suddenly realize it and start walking -- sound familiar? This wasn't a thing in like NYC in 2005 -- everyone is just waiting 6" into the road for the light to change (weird habit New Yorkers have, where they kinda wait on the road -- do peds in other big US cities do that?) Technically, it's their right of way, but if you're standing there looking like you're waiting for the light to change, maybe don't play the "you and your baby in a stroller vs. a Ford F350" game.

  2. Uber drivers are so much worse than cab drivers ever were. Cabs you get in, they start driving, you figure out where to go. Uber drivers are slow to pick up and drop off, they're totally unregulated, they let people out in the middle lane of traffic and -- let's be honest -- most of them are fucking Pajeets or Akbars who come from countries where our number of pedestrian fatalities would be a footnote compared to their own. The number of times I have gone around some Uber driver parked in the middle of the road just to find some fuckery afoot just beyond them is uncanny.

  3. Generally more distracted drivers fucking with their phones so they don't have to hear yet another boring "UFC fighter episode" of Joe Rogan. Someone honks, they go, oops you just turned someone into tomato sauce... on the plus side, it looks like he was wearing cycling clothes, so at least you didn't kill a human.
Anyway, right-on-red is a human right. If you're walking around a city like LA: it was only a matter of time before something else was gonna kill you anyway, and if you're walking around a city like Houston: what are you; a fucking nigger? It's 17 miles between the gas station and the grocery store; get a truck like a normal person.
 
I wouldn't be shocked if pedestrian deaths haven't actually risen(at least not moreso than any other violent crime recently), but it's just an effect of cops in blue states being forced to take the death of every homeless fentie that tried to give a Mac truck a hug super duper serial now. In a more sensible time they would have shrugged, said "shouldn't have played in the street" and left him for the coroner. Cops in big cities used to have an acronym for situations where no one actually contributing to society died: NHI(No Humans Involved).

And while I'm at it, Total Cyclist Death. Always bitching about cars being dangerous when they're the ones putting themselves in danger by bombing through four-way stops and pedestrian intersections on the daily. These niggers would unironically force you to drive 15mph at all times so they can play with their man toys in the road. Either ride responsibly or don't get butthurt when someone in a car turns you into road pizza.
 
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Nothing that can't be fixed by both drivers and pedestrians paying attention to what they are doing.
Have they stopped teaching kids how to cross a road properly and to look both ways? Is that considered racist or something?
I've noticed that the college kids that I see walking across my campus literally don't look both ways before walking because they are walking whole talking/looking at their phones or listening to music while zoning out. It's amazing how a lot of crucial life skills and just generally good advice has dissipated in the past 15 years with the advent of the smartphone. It's like they expect cars to stop for them all the time instead of taking care of their own safety.
 
Intersections are a really important part of improving road safety. It’s where we tend to see the most conflicts between people biking and people driving,
Yes, like the other day when i was at a 4 way stop sign controlled intersection and there was one bike coming from my left and 2 other cars in the intersection one on my left and one on my right . The bike was riding in the road and obeying the stop sign and rode correctly with the cars at the correct time through the intersection. Then a second bike suddenly came riding up the sidewalk on the left and decided he was going to ride straight into the intersection without stopping at the stop sign in front of me as I was about to turn left when it was my turn after the people on my right and left had cleared the intersection.

Conflicts happen between bikes and cars because bike riders are retarded and can't decide whether they're a vehicle or a pedestrian and want to be both at the same time.
 
I've noticed that the college kids that I see walking across my campus literally don't look both ways before walking because they are walking whole talking/looking at their phones or listening to music while zoning out. It's amazing how a lot of crucial life skills and just generally good advice has dissipated in the past 15 years with the advent of the smartphone. It's like they expect cars to stop for them all the time instead of taking care of their own safety.
The high school kids near me get off a bus stop and then walk diagonally across the 4 way intersection without even caring, and its like a full bus of them so they just gridlock traffic while they slowly walk across.
 
The high school kids near me get off a bus stop and then walk diagonally across the 4 way intersection without even caring, and its like a full bus of them so they just gridlock traffic while they slowly walk across.
Were they every taught the reason why the crosswalk exists? This is what I'm talking about: It would be one thing if this was in the middle of night where there's no traffic, but I've only seen people do shit like this within the last 7 years, which is when zoomers started going to college and when they brought their street stupid tendencies to the real world. I've come to realize that the only reason that I don't run them over isn't some empathy for them, but so my premiums don't go up and I don't have a nasty repair job to fix.
 
If you ban right on red I guarantee people will break it out of spite and pedestrian deaths in crosswalks will like triple, people will be trying to race the light if not outright just being pissed at such a stupid decision.
I mean, we have the California stop, which for those who don't know, is when instead of actually coming to a complete stop, you slow down enough to check the crosswalk and continue along anyways. Yes, it is illegal to do in California, but it doesn't stop people from doing it anyways.
 
It's like they expect cars to stop for them all the time instead of taking care of their own safety.
I think this also ties into perhaps the most annoying tenet of modern day liberalism: No matter how stupid, destructive and antisocial you're behaving, society's obligation to protect you from yourself is absolute and can never be questioned(unless you're a racist). In these people's minds there is no gradient between "absolutely deserved it" and "uwu we must protect at all costs!!!!" Look at their reaction to Daniel Penny, even when someone is actively threatening other people in a confined area they cannot escape from, you still have to deal with it or you're a bigot. These laws are not being penned into law to protect your gran crossing the street, they're in place to remind you that the crackhead blocking the road has more rights than you ad a contributing, taxpaying citizen. Sorry sweaty, it's called being a decent human being.
 
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