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They hate Child porn to, Chin,Israel,Iran everyone who works against American interest ban childporn and I think in Iran it's punishable by death do you support child porn now to ?
I know this is actually a logical fallacy, I just can't be bothered to look up which one. Seethe harder, whatever flavor of inferior brownoid or small-souled bugman you are, people crying about American tariffs are the same kind of people who try to manipulate people who are actively attempting to improve themselves into self-sabotage. Don't pretend you have America's best interests in mind.
 
The issue is though, this isn't the 1800s when the foreign goods were tables,tea pots or wagon wheels that any old idiot can make in his garage modern consumer goods require tons of specific manufacturing , speculation and economies of scale.
It took over 30 years for us to get here. It will take time to fix. That's why you have to have tariffs as well as direct business grants from the government. With direct stipulations that they have to hire X number of Americans. They have to buy American made parts. etc. Those two thinks work together will help build factories. You also have to think about what would happen if global shipping did get disrupted again? We're still bleeding from the last time.
The main cost of living issue is housing prices.
you need a lot of manufactured goods to make that house.
The average American spends half their income on rent or their mortgage
If we had more manufacturing jobs, on average their incomes would be higher because their labor was more desirable. Then they wouldn't have to spend as much of their income on rent. This isn't the only factor here, but it is a factor. It would also help if our monetary system wasn't based on giving money to banks to buy assets to have a line go up.
The issue with that is one his corporate buddies don't want it but even besides that the boomers don't want it. They depend on the cost of housing staying high so they can take out HELOCS forever
Yes, but as JD Vance pointed out, our country has to have manufacturing for out military. America went from one of the biggest car manufacturers to plane manufacturers during WWII. So businesses and boomers can take the loss. It is an existential threat, even more than White incels.
America's main economic power was that the US dollar was a valuable currency so foreign companies wanted to sell to the us consumer to get more of dollars.
People use the US dollar because we won both WWII and the cold war. That was all military/CIA.
With Tarrifs America will lose that and it's soft power.
Manufacturing is a kind of soft power. So we've lost our manufacturing soft power, which affects our military power. We've lost our media soft power, because of nepotism. We've lost our education power, because of naval-gazing. Our intel agencies are so weak, they can't even kill a US president anymore. So we need hard power, and the soft power that it brings.
One he thinks foreign countries are literally stealing from America
What he means is money that could be going to working class families in America, is going to working class people in other countries. We print money, buy things from other countries. Which is pretty cool, but we've used it too much. It's a poison pill that's made us weak.
 
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It took over 30 years for us to get here. It will take time to fix. That's why I think you have to have tariffs as well as direct business grants from the government. With direct stipulations that they have to hire X number of Americans. They have to buy American made parts. etc. Those two thinks work together will help build factories. You also have to think about what would happen if global shipping did get disrupted again? We're still bleeding from the last time.
I am not a free market libertarian that is anti tarrif all the time. Id o think they have their place in the market but they have to be done well. I praise the Chinese model all the time they make heavy use of tarrifs. Trump just tariffing all gods from the entire EU makes no sense and is like using a nuke to get of an anti hill.
you need a lot of manufactured goods to make that house.
Not wrong but most of the goods used to make housing are low value added. Turning a lib into planks isn't some high level thing.
If we had more manufacturing jobs, on average their incomes would be higher because their labor was more desirable. Then they wouldn't have to spend as much of their income on rent. This isn't the only factor here, but it is a factor. It would also help if our monetary system wasn't based on giving money to banks to buy assets to have a line go.
Your not wrong but that is just throwing more shit into an inefficient system. China realizes this and that is why in China consumer housing is pretty cheap and it's hard to be straight up homeless unless you live in an extremely rural area. With less consumer money going to rent it allows for more investment into consumer good especially things like tech,evs and so on that China is doing well in
Yes, but as JD Vance pointed out, our country has to have manufacturing for out military. America went from one of the biggest car manufacturers to plane manufacturers during WWII.
In WW2 America was the biggest everything manufacturer, producing more industrial output then the rest of the world combined that just isn't feasible anymore.

People use the US dollar because we won both WWII and the cold war. That was all military/CIA.
The Soviet union won both world war 1 and 2 why didn't everyone use the ruble ? Same with Great Britain why didn't they use pound sterling ?

Manufacturing is a kind of soft power. So we've lost our manufacturing soft power, which affects our military power. We've lost our media soft power, because of nepotism. We've lost our education power, because of naval-gazing. Our intel agencies are so weak, they can't even kill a US president anymore. So we need hard power, and the soft power that brings someone.
I don't disagree but we still have soft power n the way of the us dollar and the sanctions that can be levied using it. If the US dollar falls you will have no soft power the risk just isn't worth it. American manufacturing most of the world's stuff again won't happen what we should shoot for is strategic autonomy. American education soft power is pretty decent Xi Jing Ping's own daughter went to Harvard.

What he means is money that could be going to working class families in America, is going to working class people in other countries. We print money, buy things from other countries. Which is pretty cool, but we've used it too much. It's a poison pill that's made us weak.
The working class are hurt most by tariffs as a rich person can afford to buy the more expensive goods and has the capital to invest in the new industries if they come to be
 
Not wrong
Your not wrong
I don't disagree
Why did you write all that just to tell me I'm right?
The Soviet union won both world war 1 and 2 why didn't everyone use the ruble ? Same with Great Britain why didn't they use pound sterling ?
The Soviet Union wasn't a navel power. Geography does have something to do with it. People used the pound sterling for 100 years. They stopped when America became the world navel power.
In WW2 America was the biggest everything manufacturer, producing more industrial output then the rest of the world combined that just isn't feasible anymore.
America put people on the fucking moon. We tamed this vast and powerful continent. I unironically think America could do anything if we just unfucked ourselves.
The working class are hurt most by tariffs as a rich person can afford to buy the more expensive goods and has the capital to invest in the new industries if they come to be
Until the working class get manufacturing jobs, which pay more. That's why we should use government stimulus to bring those manufacturing jobs back as quickly as possible.
 
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The Soviet union won both world war 1 and 2 why didn't everyone use the ruble ? Same with Great Britain why didn't they use pound sterling ?
The Soviet Union formed after the war. Russia bowed out in 1917 as they imploded.
technically not but there was the Russian Soviet Federative Socialist Republic so close enough.
No. This is nonsense. The Russians bowed out and the Americans took their place.
 
In WW2 America was the biggest everything manufacturer, producing more industrial output then the rest of the world combined that just isn't feasible anymore.
The Soviet union won both world war 1 and 2 why didn't everyone use the ruble ? Same with Great Britain why didn't they use pound sterling ?
You answered your own question, the US was the everything manufacturer so usd being the world currency is the most pragmatic choice. It also helps that the depression, wars, and revolutions made everyone else's currency unstable in comparison.
 
Its rare to see but here is none other than RMS, Richard Stallman...the founder of GNU...calling for people to block an 8 billion dollar bill to israel.:
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If you didn't know...Richard is Ethnically Jewish.
This is literally a Rashida Tlaib attempt to scam email addresses for donation purposes presented as a petition to shit on Israel and Trump.

I hate retards.
 
technically not but there was the Russian Soviet Federative Socialist Republic so close enough.
Its called the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics for a reason, dude. Soviet Russia wasn't really a party in WWI, for most of the fighting, because they were in the amidst of a civil war. If you're going to discuss this stuff, at least get the basic facts right.
 
So what you're saying is to solve the the global fertility crisis we just need women to go back to being illiterate? Sounds like a good solution, outside of Frankenstein they never wrote much worth a shit anyways.
D C Fontana was the voice behind basically all the good shit in TOS (and YES I AM EXCLUDING CITY), but yeah chicks are good for nerd shit
 
I'm seeing more shit like this on X lately

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Slight PL but (apart from the maxim of Don't Talk Politics With Your Family) one of the main reasons I don't talk to my father about some things is he has exactly that; an inbuilt belief that the institutions are Good™, that any decision made by a governing body or an institution of power had a good reason behind it, because he himself makes decisions with good reasoning when in postitions of power. It's a selective theory of mind blindness where an otherwise smart man has no pattern recognition, and can rage against how an institution makes a terrible decision or some agency-wide corruption or poisonous ideology story drops in the media and then the next day have unshakeable, unexamined faith in the decision-making processes of it and that the people in it are making good decisions for good reasons. It's frustrating.
I have something similar with my dad. He actually does get American affairs, but he cannot fathom how shit Britain Europe is.
 

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this is the single busiest thread on the site, but the chat we had for politisperging was never used. why is that?
I love you all, but I don't want to see our autistic screeching in real time. It will lift the veil of our perceived intelligence and show us for the hamsters we are... Just running in circles and going nowhere.
 
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