Useless jobs and skills that won't earn you an income before, during and after SHTF

[halphase]

So this is in contrast to a thread I made about useful skills and jobs that can you an income before, during and after SHTF

So like the title says, discuss what are jobs and skills that will not be useful nor earn you an income during a collapse or SHTF.

Data entry, transcription, and I read one time being an analyst would be useless, much like how data science can earn you an income but only in urban cities and where I imagine people would want to get away from in a SHTF situation.

 

[Cirrhosis_of_Liver]

CDL driver. DPS hands out golden tickets to a middle class income, but really, anyone who isn't crippled or extraordinarily stupid is capable of driving a big truck. The only things that support CDL pay are the regulatory bottleneck and the electronic logging devices making it too much trouble to run 23 hours a day with 1 hour to pick up more adderall.

Without the gummit, semi driver goes back to being a shit job.

 

[Agamemnon Busmalis]

Other than skills you can use to murder and steal from others to keep yourself alive until things settle down, or developing an appetite for cannibalism like in the Siege of Leningrad, all are useless. See Rwanda, Liberia or Sierra Leone for what SHTF really looks like. Good luck farming when General Butt Naked's drugged-up child soldiers decide to pay a visit for some supplies.

 

[Null]

CDL driver. DPS hands out golden tickets to a middle class income, but really, anyone who isn't crippled or extraordinarily stupid is capable of driving a big truck. The only things that support CDL pay are the regulatory bottleneck and the electronic logging devices making it too much trouble to run 23 hours a day with 1 hour to pick up more adderall.

Without the gummit, semi driver goes back to being a shit job.

I disagree. The US will want logistics up as fast as possible and will scramble any able bodied people into trucks that are still willing to work with them. After the surrender of Germany, the #1 priority of the US occupation was getting DeutschePost working again, so much so that they still allowed stamps featuring Hitler for years after he was dead. Postage books with Hitler stamps are some of the most common WW2 memorabilia because they were still valid for a long time.

 

[Pendulous Dong]

Cleaning services, moving, pest control, or any kind of job that requires you to go into someone else's house and root around in their stuff would definitely see a decline without the rule of law.
Most online content creators would be unable to leverage their skills effectively, with the notable exceptions of guntubers and onlyfans models.

 

[God's strongest milkman]

Hell yeah, I have trucking experience and box truck experience. Guaranteed post boog job. Gonna get myself a pretty refugee from the Utah massacres.

 

[Nol 2]

Any sort of paperpushing job. If its important enough record to keep, the only people who will be allowed to it are absolutely trusted.

 

[Meat Target]

Data entry, transcription, and I read one time being an analyst would be useless,

Any sort of paperpushing job. If its important enough record to keep, the only people who will be allowed to it are absolutely trusted.

My interest in prepping stems in no small part from understanding that jockeying a desk is an income source only possible in a time of unprecented peace and plenty.

At best, you can use it to bankroll your prepping pre-SHTF and obtain useful knowledge when the boss isn't around.

 

[GamerGateSurvivor]

Welding. The pay is shit but its an incredibly useful skill to have. You can do it with an oxy acetaline torch if electricity is an issue.

 

[halphase]

@Null do you think IT, computer science, software engineering, data science and other fields like these will be relevant when shit hits the fan?

I understand software engineer is dead with the state of AI now, and I know software engineer who haven't found work for 6+ months before a crises even happen. that and IT being outsourced to foreign workers for cheaper pay.

So if SHTF and these fields are still lucrative and relevant, what jobs do you think will be critical that isn't tied to the system when it collapses? Critical that will be very valuable to help friends and family in small groups.

I imagine if someone works with AI, its probably going to be tied to governments and corporations, be it blackrock, microsoft in major urban centers, and its only trusted people that will be allowed to work for these entities like how only trusted office workers can remain to do paperwork and check if everything is in order.

 

[Null]

@Null do you think IT, computer science, software engineering, data science and other fields like these will be relevant when shit hits the fan?

I understand software engineer is dead with the state of AI now, and I know software engineer who haven't found work for 6+ months before a crises happen.

Yes, I think that the war in Ukraine has proven that consumer level understanding of machine learning, object recognition, and the Internet will continue to be useful even when people are shooting each other. The burgerkrieg will be fought with millions of remote piloted observation and execution drones.

I also think that republicans in government should be pressured to legalize currently criminalized radio jammers.

 

[V01D]

Welding. The pay is shit but it’s an incredibly useful skill to have. You can do it with an oxy acetaline torch if electricity is an issue.

Where I am welding is one of the best trades in terms of compensation, and if you’re willing to work away from home on a pipeline or other large project that increases exponentially. Main issue with welding after SHTF I feel would be sourcing material and gases

 

[wtfNeedSignUp]

@Null do you think IT, computer science, software engineering, data science and other fields like these will be relevant when shit hits the fan?

I understand software engineer is dead with the state of AI now, and I know software engineer who haven't found work for 6+ months before a crises even happen. that and IT being outsourced to foreign workers for cheaper pay.

So if SHTF and these fields are still lucrative and relevant, what jobs do you think will be critical that isn't tied to the system when it collapses? Critical that will be very valuable to help friends and family in small groups.

I imagine if someone works with AI, its probably going to be tied to governments and corporations, be it blackrock, microsoft in major urban centers, and its only trusted people that will be allowed to work for these entities like how only trusted office workers can remain to do paperwork and check if everything is in order.

Probably biased, but I think that unless you have a full on technological collapse, being an actually good programmer will be always worth it. Especially now that government and corpos are used to be wasteful as hell with technology, so even the most basic shit is several megabytes at the least. The idea of AI being a replacement is absolutely retarded if you actually needed to interact with it in any subject that doesn't have a billion questions in Stack Overflow.

 

[Cirrhosis_of_Liver]

I disagree. The US will want logistics up as fast as possible and will scramble any able bodied people into trucks that are still willing to work with them. After the surrender of Germany, the #1 priority of the US occupation was getting DeutschePost working again, so much so that they still allowed stamps featuring Hitler for years after he was dead. Postage books with Hitler stamps are some of the most common WW2 memorabilia because they were still valid for a long time.

I'm not saying that trucks will stop being needed. I'm saying that it's just regulatory and worker-friendly laws that make truck driving the lucrative job it is now. That will fall away in the collapse as they push to lower the cost of shipping and enforcement of regulations becomes less rigorous.

20 years ago, you could either run two log books or you could apply for food stamps. Those bad old days can come again.

 

[Topsoil]

All of psychology outside of maybe diplomacy & conflict resolution. Pretty sure most forms of "therapy" in the apocalypse will go back to being filled by members of the dominant religion and/or your friends and family.

Any form of art that's overly reliant on technology (digital art, movies/tv/videos, potentially written stories/books, some types of music, video games). "Influencing" and advertising in general (unless we still somehow have mass-media in the apocalypse). Plastic/cosmetic surgery. Much of the cosmetics industry in general outside of some very basics (moisturizers can be made of tallow to help with eczema, chapstick can be made with beeswax).

I want to counter the "all paper pushing jobs useless" stance though-- keeping track of the amount of stock you have, when it was harvested, when it will go bad, how many animals you have, how much they eat, etc is all still going to be extremely important. You won't be doing it on an excel spreadsheet anymore, it's going to be by hand on paper, but you will absolutely still need someone to manage your numbers.

 

[Less Nasty Old Person]

Read Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy, and pay particular attention to the bit about the B Ark. Douglas Adams nailed it, and I've felt miserable about my career choice ever since.

 

[Rungle]

If you have an easily replacable job, try your hand at hobbyist drone flying.
I tried it a little bit and its pretty cool.
Get a small one then slowly move over to a bigger more expensive one.
Try to understand the mechanics around it and when things turn to shit you can do recon or fly at high speed toward the nearest nigger and bash its skull in.

 

[Kheapathic]

@Null do you think IT, computer science, software engineering, data science and other fields like these will be relevant when shit hits the fan?

One of the parts of IT is infrastructure, and while I'm not a fully certified electrician who's gonna rewire a house or help setup poles when a microburst takes out the power poles; I can do low-voltage electrician work. Also keep in mind that IT is a newer progression of tele-communications, and while you may not be setting up poles or whatever, you still run cable, do configurations, and other shit to keep communications up and working. As much as people want to scream that AI is going to take everyone's jobs (in a non-SHTF scenario); an AI can't press a power button or lay cables or a multitude of other things a set of hands can do.

 

[Get the rope Macaulay!]

Any form of art that's overly reliant on technology

Coach Redpill proved that if anything someone on the group doing art in a war torn area is more likely to make money than most anyone else.

 

[Tsukasa Kadoya]

Modern farming.
Before anyone goes "ummmmm actually-" I'm talking about the fat old fucks who push a button and fart around in their self driven combines. A total collapse will make those machines a drain on resources and that air conditioned machine will eventually fall apart with no new parts to fix it in the event of a total collapse.
Old school farming with ancient tractors could be done early on in the collapse but if fuel becomes rare/extinct horse or mule drawn machines will be needed.
50% of farmers are lazy fucks who only have their land because they inherented it from their dad's. They use self driven machines or pay Mexicans to do the work for them. The other 50% actually do the work and are knowledgeable about crops and growing seasons.
When SHTF the lazy fucks who lord over their farmland will be easy pickings for raiders. And if they do survive them, the lack of cheap labor and lazy machines will make them useless