Useless jobs and skills that won't earn you an income before, during and after SHTF

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I think most IT jobs, banking and traditional finance, and all government jobs will obviously be up for the chopping block. Foodservice and hospitality won't really get you too far, unless you're running an old-fashioned Hotel or Bed and Breakfast.


Old school farming with ancient tractors could be done early on in the collapse but if fuel becomes rare/extinct
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Somebody has never made a wood gasifier before. You can build an apparatus like this one out of propane tanks that will allow your tractor to suck woodgas instead of conventional liquid fuel. you're basically vaping the hydrocarbons out of the wood and straight into the intake.
 
Modern farming.
Before anyone goes "ummmmm actually-" I'm talking about the fat old fucks who push a button and fart around in their self driven combines. A total collapse will make those machines a drain on resources and that air conditioned machine will eventually fall apart with no new parts to fix it in the event of a total collapse.
Old school farming with ancient tractors could be done early on in the collapse but if fuel becomes rare/extinct horse or mule drawn machines will be needed.
50% of farmers are lazy fucks who only have their land because they inherented it from their dad's. They use self driven machines or pay Mexicans to do the work for them. The other 50% actually do the work and are knowledgeable about crops and growing seasons.
When SHTF the lazy fucks who lord over their farmland will be easy pickings for raiders. And if they do survive them, the lack of cheap labor and lazy machines will make them useless
Wanted to add on that most people in farming operations have no fucking idea how to get maximal yields without commercial soil amendments, fertilizers, herbicides, etc.

Any disruption to the supply chain and all these thousand-acre monocrop operations are barren dustbowls.
 
Most modern engineering is a meme (think anything that involves computers, entertainment and "social" work), you won't have any usage on how to maintain a AFM machine or how nuclear reactors work when SHTF. 99% of jobs today are super niche or are just busy work (fake job/economy meme) and as soon resources get scarce, those jobs are out the window since we are back on making food, building/maintaining shelters and trying to stay warm/cool.

My white-collar cope is to learn the absolute basic of carpentry (bushcraft, but not shit), as autistic it might sound, learn how to build shit with just the following tools and items:
  • Wooden planks
  • Screws + drill (hammer and nails are good to have, but it gets old really fast, good to have if electricity is gone tho)
  • Saw (if you pick a circular saw, for the love of God learn how to use it safely! It's the LiveLeak meme maker)
  • Concrete plinth's (for gardening projects if you got land)
There is a lot to learn about when it comes to working with wood, how to maintain a forest, a sawmill and to utilise the wood to the fullest etc.
If you can make your own activated charcoal, you can now create some really good water filters too.

If you are not into the wood thing, maybe learning the basic of becoming a blacksmith (which req. charcoal if you do it the old way) would be my choice.
 
Medical research regulatory knowledge is pretty unuseful now, and I can't imagine it's going to be any handier once we get to Mad Max conditions and people call their doctors "organic mechanics".
 
Might be a hot take, but the majority of doctors and nurses will be useless when SHTF. There's an insane amount of infrastructure that goes into keeping just one person alive, and when the shipments of medications and supplies stop, the majority of medical staff will be helpless to do much.

Another hot take:

The only viable job I see at the end is... NOTHING. Food and water will in such high demand that unless you are familiar with pre-industrial farming and have a self-sufficient homestead functioning years in advance you will just die. There is no skill you can offer that will be worth the incredibly finite resources.
 
Old school farming with ancient tractors could be done early on in the collapse but if fuel becomes rare/extinct horse or mule drawn
In a post collapse, nobody is going to be guarding those old mothballed oil wells and there will be no EPA agent to stop you.


You can run crude straight with a few minor modifications to even a simple lawnmower engine, a lot of the old tractors were built to run on number 1 fuel oil which is very easy to extract from crude.
 
Might be a hot take, but the majority of doctors and nurses will be useless when SHTF. There's an insane amount of infrastructure that goes into keeping just one person alive, and when the shipments of medications and supplies stop, the majority of medical staff will be helpless to do much.

Another hot take:

The only viable job I see at the end is... NOTHING. Food and water will in such high demand that unless you are familiar with pre-industrial farming and have a self-sufficient homestead functioning years in advance you will just die. There is no skill you can offer that will be worth the incredibly finite resources.
Vets, on the other hand if you need medical attention are a go to when shit goes down. The basic knowledge and principles for injuries and infections are the same for humans. They might not be able to cure your cancer but they'll be able to dose you up with antibiotics and set a broken bone for you.
 
Look at the wars of the 20th century and what industries/fields shut down during wartime. That's what I'd guess won't last post-fan. Or maybe you can look further back in time at ruralish societies even during peacetime, and anything they didn't do might be difficult, if not useless. But it also depends on the post-fan timeframe. The first few months after a collapse are survival and damage control, but when the dust settles, people will want to rebuild to the highest level of comfort possible. So some of this dumb shit like party coordination and marketing and whatever else would make a comeback eventually.
 
Might be a hot take, but the majority of doctors and nurses will be useless when SHTF. There's an insane amount of infrastructure that goes into keeping just one person alive, and when the shipments of medications and supplies stop, the majority of medical staff will be helpless to do much.

Another hot take:

The only viable job I see at the end is... NOTHING. Food and water will in such high demand that unless you are familiar with pre-industrial farming and have a self-sufficient homestead functioning years in advance you will just die. There is no skill you can offer that will be worth the incredibly finite resources.
I plan to be the local Neo-feudal warlord's Court Alchemist that'll be responsible for the blackpowder and extracting salicylic acid from willow bark.
 
If internet stays up, some YouTube content creators will very likely still have jobs to keep US Army troops morale going. If shit gets too dire they’ll be discarded like trash.
 
Depending on what manner of transcribing you're referring to on top of what ways SHTF, I may disagree with it being obsolete.
If networks are still running in any capacity, transcribing information between formats, physical, radio, etc will be something vital to survival. Whether you're 1) typing out a physically intercepted note to post its information to the masses, 2) writing down vital information received over the radio or 3) making copies of instructions, intercepted notes or whole ass books medieval style after a total tech blackout, copying down information will never not be useful.
 
Depending on what manner of transcribing you're referring to on top of what ways SHTF, I may disagree with it being obsolete.
If networks are still running in any capacity, transcribing information between formats, physical, radio, etc will be something vital to survival. Whether you're 1) typing out a physically intercepted note to post its information to the masses, 2) writing down vital information received over the radio or 3) making copies of instructions, intercepted notes or whole ass books medieval style after a total tech blackout, copying down information will never not be useful.
With things like that it won't be a matter of whether the job is worthless or not, but a matter of how scarce the job opportunities are.
 
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I think most IT jobs, banking and traditional finance, and all government jobs will obviously be up for the chopping block. Foodservice and hospitality won't really get you too far, unless you're running an old-fashioned Hotel or Bed and Breakfast.



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Somebody has never made a wood gasifier before. You can build an apparatus like this one out of propane tanks that will allow your tractor to suck woodgas instead of conventional liquid fuel. you're basically vaping the hydrocarbons out of the wood and straight into the intake.
A old lumberjack professor I had built a modified lawn tractor with gasification to use woodworking & sawmill scraps.

Useless job and skill when SHTF? Video game design.
 
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Somebody has never made a wood gasifier before. You can build an apparatus like this one out of propane tanks that will allow your tractor to suck woodgas instead of
This would work well enough for a long while. Where I grew up in Indiana, maybe 10 or 15% of acreage were all these little woods here and there. Creeks running through them. Into the 1980s, people would still clear them out for firewood. But in truth, those were just the table scraps of whatever forests were around in the mid-1800s... all the good timber sold off on contract before i was born. If someone tried to keep a tractor running with woodgas, if they were successful enough that others decided to try to imitate them, everything would be clearcut in 20 years. It's not viable on a multi-decades basis. Which is a shame, some of the older tractors have frames and basic designs that might well last 150+ years before they were truly unsalvageable.

The basic flaw in this scheme is the same as with hunters. They think they can live off the land, but not have to put forth the effort to manage it. And nature looks vast, far too large to have to worry about it having nothing left to give. So they take as much as they like and by the time it becomes apparent they've taken too much, the only possible way recovery could ever happen is to quit, cold turkey. But then that means they are starved of whatever resource it is they needed (meat for hunters, wood for wood gassification).

You want a diesel tractor. You use it to grow an oil crop. The oil crops differ from region to region, but most will do 100 gallons of vegetable oil per acre. Depending on what else you might grow (and how many passes with a tractor those will need), that acre of oil crop will provide the fuel to cultivate up to another 10 or 12 acres of something else. Biodiesel would be best (straight vegetable oil looks like more trouble than it's worth). Biodiesel requires an alcohol (methanol is best, ethanol or butanol might do in a pinch), and lye (potassium hydroxide is best, NaOH might be ok). The reaction itself isn't particularly challenging.

There are other consumables for these other tractors to be accounted for. Engine oil, air filters, oil filters, fuel filters. Belts, hoses, tires. Metal parts fail too, but some significant fraction could be fabricated new if you had a passable machine shop. Frankly, I'm more worried about tires.

Though ultimately unworkable, bacon grease as engine oil is probably superior to the shit you buy at NAPA or Advanced Auto parts:

Youtube - Bacon Grease as Engine OIl? Let's try it!

Castor (bean) oil might be the correct direction for engine oil substitute.

A total collapse will make those machines a drain on resources and that air conditioned machine will eventually fall apart with no new parts to fix it in the event of a total collapse.
I don't think that the newer self-drive combines are the same sort of planned obsolescence as consumer goods. If you get into the cab of one, there's much less plastic than you find in a newer model car. They do not appear to be made to fall apart after the 3 year warranty's up like with a Chrysler or a Chevy. Not that JD is particularly warm-and-fuzzy and wants what's best for the customer, but there would be major lawsuits if someone bought a million-dollar combine and they didn't last 25-40 years more often than not. There are elements of the newest models that are just not compatible with longevity, but these are often electronics-and-software based features that farmers are salivating over, even demanding.

What makes these combines unviable isn't that they're a drain on resources or that they're air-conditioned. They're just too big and unwieldy once there's no longer a mass market. The reason they get bigger every year, more sophisticated every year, is that per pound of flour, they use less fuel, fewer man-hours, and provide a better product. The very things you'd want in a collapse scenario. But that only works at gigantic economies of scale. And every single one of us reading this, we'll be lucky if we can get ahold of 20 acres, and we'll be even luckier if we manage to cultivate more than that were we to somehow get it.

If you can swing it, find one of those fat old assholes you seem to hate, and learn from him whatever he's willing to teach. He likely has 100+ years of institutional knowledge. All this seems like retard work to some of you, but there are subtle details that if you get wrong then you'll get to see what your kids' ribs look like through their skin. A day late, a day early on some of this shit makes all the difference. Trying to gauge whether you should use the water you have now to irrigate, or just take the 30% lower harvest and keep it for something more important.
 
Might be a hot take, but the majority of doctors and nurses will be useless when SHTF. There's an insane amount of infrastructure that goes into keeping just one person alive, and when the shipments of medications and supplies stop, the majority of medical staff will be helpless to do much.

Another hot take:

The only viable job I see at the end is... NOTHING. Food and water will in such high demand that unless you are familiar with pre-industrial farming and have a self-sufficient homestead functioning years in advance you will just die. There is no skill you can offer that will be worth the incredibly finite resources.
People do not upstand logistics and infrastructure. The people you look down keep shit running. You can be the best heart/brain surgeon in the world. but without some one to make tools you need, you are useless. Imagine not having those level people around who make surgical stitching around.
 
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