Vade Article Prototype

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Jaimas

Jaimas

WE'RE DUCKING THE CONDITIONING
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I spent about 16 hours and counting on this damnable thing, and I'd appreciate your insight. I've done my best to ratchet it in-line with Null's qualifications listed previously, including editing out cuss-language, archiving any link that's likely to go down, and adding ten tons of images.

I'm open for further suggestions. If none are forthcoming, the Vade thread would love to see it.
 
I'll take a look at it later, but even if it's now completely polished and ready, I'm not sure if @Null wants the wiki in general to be made public yet.
 
Himawari said:
I'll take a look at it later, but even if it's now completely polished and ready, I'm not sure if @Null wants the wiki in general to be made public yet.
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Perfectly acceptable. I'm mostly wondering if it's OK for me to take a break for now. :lol:
 
Okay, sorry for the late reply.

Himawari said:
I'll take a look at it later, but even if it's now completely polished and ready, I'm not sure if @Null wants the wiki in general to be made public yet.
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The wiki isn't accessible without an account.

Jaimas said:
I spent about 16 hours and counting on this damnable thing, and I'd appreciate your insight. I've done my best to ratchet it in-line with Null's qualifications listed previously, including editing out cuss-language, archiving any link that's likely to go down, and adding ten tons of images.

I'm open for further suggestions. If none are forthcoming, the Vade thread would love to see it.
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There's two big problems. It's a lot better than it was before, but I really want to get things perfectly because I feel this would be a good introduction to the wiki for people not into Jace. I don't just want the /k/ folk running the place.


I still see EDisms. "TL;DR" isn't something an encyclopedia needs. I'm wondering if we should endorse a {{summary}} style template, or if that would undermine the point of writing. Should a page section be summarized? To reiterate, if the writer feels a section is too long, maybe it should be reduced. Maybe split that off to its own page and leave a summary on the main Vade page?

To exemplify what I mean, we have 2 screenshots of forum posts.
One has this as a caption.
"Really, to say anything will just detract from this image."
The other has this as a caption.
"Vade tries to convince the Kiwi Farm not to call the police over her self-harm/suicide threats."

The second one is way better. I don't even need to open it to read what Vade wrote, I know what it says already. If you can't write a caption, why bother saying you can't write a caption? It's possible to have a Wikimedia thumbnail without a caption. Stuff like that is personal flair and writing style, which harkens back to my first point about not writing in a blogging style.

I definitely still pick up a lot of Jaimas in this, which isn't inherently a bad thing, but it turns the article into a personal retelling of a tragedy rather than being a wiki article. The personal flair point is also super noticeable when reading the source. "Alexander RIP Nevar Forget.jpg" isn't really what I want to see a lot of.

The other thing is that this is a really fucking long article. I mentioned this before and I think I'm right about splitting out this page. So, lets do an experiment.

http://lolcow.wiki/wiki/Vade#The_Tragedy_of_Troublez_81
http://lolcow.wiki/wiki/Kenneth_Alexander_Van_Camp

The first one is Vade's article and a section on Troublez_81. Write your "TL;DR" here. Constrain yourself to 1/2 paragraphs of 3~5 sentences each. Links should be citations, not block-level elements. Everything a normal, uninterested user could want to gleam should be there. Extra details should be left for the main article.

The second one is an article I made for Kenneth himself. Here, you can be as verbose as you want. Describe everything, make multiple sections, whatever you want.
 
Also, one of the best articles on Wikipedia is Adolf Hitler's. It showcases absolutely every complexity an article could ever face. NPOV issues, important quotes, sections and main articles, pictures of events, timelines, fucking the works. Reference Hitler's article if you want to see how something should be done.
 
Null said:
Okay, sorry for the late reply.


The wiki isn't accessible without an account.


There's two big problems. It's a lot better than it was before, but I really want to get things perfectly because I feel this would be a good introduction to the wiki for people not into Jace. I don't just want the /k/ folk running the place.


I still see EDisms. "TL;DR" isn't something an encyclopedia needs. I'm wondering if we should endorse a {{summary}} style template, or if that would undermine the point of writing. Should a page section be summarized? To reiterate, if the writer feels a section is too long, maybe it should be reduced. Maybe split that off to its own page and leave a summary on the main Vade page?

To exemplify what I mean, we have 2 screenshots of forum posts.
One has this as a caption.
"Really, to say anything will just detract from this image."
The other has this as a caption.
"Vade tries to convince the Kiwi Farm not to call the police over her self-harm/suicide threats."

The second one is way better. I don't even need to open it to read what Vade wrote, I know what it says already. If you can't write a caption, why bother saying you can't write a caption? It's possible to have a Wikimedia thumbnail without a caption. Stuff like that is personal flair and writing style, which harkens back to my first point about not writing in a blogging style.

I definitely still pick up a lot of Jaimas in this, which isn't inherently a bad thing, but it turns the article into a personal retelling of a tragedy rather than being a wiki article. The personal flair point is also super noticeable when reading the source. "Alexander RIP Nevar Forget.jpg" isn't really what I want to see a lot of.

The other thing is that this is a really fucking long article. I mentioned this before and I think I'm right about splitting out this page. So, lets do an experiment.

http://lolcow.wiki/wiki/Vade#The_Tragedy_of_Troublez_81
http://lolcow.wiki/wiki/Kenneth_Alexander_Van_Camp

The first one is Vade's article and a section on Troublez_81. Write your "TL;DR" here. Constrain yourself to 1/2 paragraphs of 3~5 sentences each. Links should be citations, not block-level elements. Everything a normal, uninterested user could want to gleam should be there. Extra details should be left for the main article.

The second one is an article I made for Kenneth himself. Here, you can be as verbose as you want. Describe everything, make multiple sections, whatever you want.
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I'll get cracking on it later. Thanks for the heads-up and insight, Null. I'll give it a going-over when time permits, and work towards improvement.

Secondary Note: A lot of the images come directly from either ED or ED Affiliates, hence filenames like "North American Land Whale" and the Alexander one. I'll work at re-uploading to be less dickish later as well.
 
Massive update. I tweaked the Kenneth Alexander Van Camp segment and have begun to condensify the article accordingly, in line with both your recommendations and similar involving Chris on the CWCki. I'm also using baby's first citations.
 
Okay, the summary thing worked out really well. You write a lot of text and giving you more space to write is great, though I still think there's room for brevity.

I've done two things:
1) I've moved the topic from "Vade and Medical Diagnosis" to "Vade and Mental Health". I think physical health can be its own topic, but I don't really see anything covering that in the page anyways.
2) I've hacked together a checklist for this area: http://lolcow.wiki/wiki/Vade_and_Mental_Health#Antisocial_Personality_Disorder

The hackjob isn't complete. I've outlined some things I stole from Wikipedia, cited my sources, and filled in what I knew. I also included citations and archives of my sources, using quotes when possible to let Vade speak for themselves. Try filling in that area and tell me if you think that sort of layout works better.

The area above it could benefit from a similar service. You've taken a true encyclopedic entry for a disease and simply highlighted what things you think apply. That sort-of works to illustrate a point, but medical dictionaries are boring and the bold text isn't cited or explained. Compiling an few, concise points (perhaps review the Wikipedia article for it, like this section).

Also, the summary/introduction area contains a list. Make that its own section and name the overarching theme of what she claims to have in its place. Maybe relate that to what you think she actually has. For instance, all of her things have to do with being special and unique. I sort of made that correlation in my edits at the bottom.


Overall, this way of writing is a ton better and it's shaping up really well. Your strengths are producing a lot of written content, but I think there's a deficit of organization and citation. There's a ton of stuff I'm reading in the Antisocial area that I want to include in my revision, but since I don't know where it comes from, I'd have to rewrite from your words alone. That's getting dangerously close to Telephone area.
 
Null said:
Okay, the summary thing worked out really well. You write a lot of text and giving you more space to write is great, though I still think there's room for brevity.

I've done two things:
1) I've moved the topic from "Vade and Medical Diagnosis" to "Vade and Mental Health". I think physical health can be its own topic, but I don't really see anything covering that in the page anyways.
2) I've hacked together a checklist for this area: http://lolcow.wiki/wiki/Vade_and_Mental_Health#Antisocial_Personality_Disorder

The hackjob isn't complete. I've outlined some things I stole from Wikipedia, cited my sources, and filled in what I knew. I also included citations and archives of my sources, using quotes when possible to let Vade speak for themselves. Try filling in that area and tell me if you think that sort of layout works better.

The area above it could benefit from a similar service. You've taken a true encyclopedic entry for a disease and simply highlighted what things you think apply. That sort-of works to illustrate a point, but medical dictionaries are boring and the bold text isn't cited or explained. Compiling an few, concise points (perhaps review the Wikipedia article for it, like this section).

Also, the summary/introduction area contains a list. Make that its own section and name the overarching theme of what she claims to have in its place. Maybe relate that to what you think she actually has. For instance, all of her things have to do with being special and unique. I sort of made that correlation in my edits at the bottom.


Overall, this way of writing is a ton better and it's shaping up really well. Your strengths are producing a lot of written content, but I think there's a deficit of organization and citation. There's a ton of stuff I'm reading in the Antisocial area that I want to include in my revision, but since I don't know where it comes from, I'd have to rewrite from your words alone. That's getting dangerously close to Telephone area.
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Relax, Null, I'll give it a proper going over in time. I've already invested a shitton of work in it, and I don't like leaving things half-finished. It'll be some time before I'm able to get back on it, but I'll be back on it as Time Permits.
 
I'm gradually splitting and adding to the Vade Article, so it's easier to read, less wordy, and has more genuine information. I had no idea, when I undertook this project, that I'd be essentially making a tiny CWCki splinter specifically for Vade and Vade-related stuff, but I genuinely am glad I've been able to help. I have a fuck of a lot to do, with this being the most recent addition.

I've even been using Citations! There's hope for me yet.
 
Null said:
Some ween posted all of this kid's dox in the Vade thread.

He's an IRL friend of Vade and leaks information about her a lot.

http://maromoroneysass.tumblr.com/

See:
https://vt.tumblr.com/tumblr_nglz93uXyZ1r2jndj.mp4
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That's some faggy bullshit, even by ween standards.

In other news, the Vade article and its attached articles are now dangerously close to completion. I need to upload tons more images for the galleries and maybe add some citations here or there, but I'm confident it's easily one of the most comprehensive fucking things I've ever worked on, representing about 3 weeks of solid off-and-on work.
 
Nothing's ever easy, is it?

Got ten fucktons to add again, due to a fucking deluge of new information from several new sources.

I'll keep you all abreast.
 
Jaimas said:
Nothing's ever easy, is it?
Got ten fucktons to add again, due to a fucking deluge of new information from several new sources.
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Oh my, that's exactly how I feel over on the Church article. Lolcows are never easy, are they? lel
 
And now some unfortunate news.

I've recently been served papers; my current place has been sold to the state and I have less than three months to fuck off. As such, I need to find a new place. I have a few places all lined up and ready to go, but I'm likely to be in-and-out of contact for a bit whilst I try to clean the fuck out of my place, get everything packed up that isn't tied down, get to the new place, and get set up.

Just a heads up, since this is the main reason my responses on the Vade article, for a little while at least, are likely to be sluggish.
 
Jaimas said:
And now some unfortunate news.

I've recently been served papers; my current place has been sold to the state and I have less than three months to fuck off. As such, I need to find a new place. I have a few places all lined up and ready to go, but I'm likely to be in-and-out of contact for a bit whilst I try to clean the fuck out of my place, get everything packed up that isn't tied down, get to the new place, and get set up.

Just a heads up, since this is the main reason my responses on the Vade article, for a little while at least, are likely to be sluggish.
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As I said in the Vade thread, let us know if you need anything. Godspeed, kiwi champion.
 
Some good news on the article front. I need to go over some additional info, but the battery of new info's been absorbed and added accordingly. I had to essentially re-write about 2 articles worth of work, but I genuinely like the results.

This took 9 hours. I'm leaving it in you guys' hands to finish up any post-script editing and grammar fixing, since I have moving shit to worry about right now. Godspeed, Kiwis.
 
I'll look through it all sometime today. If it's good I think we can start showing it off.
 
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