Valve introduces Steam Deck

I'm sorry but :story:
Technically Microsoft could make Windows run on top of Hyper-V so that games can run in a container that has priority access, but realistically it would be a moot point. These days games are so incredibly resource-inefficient that any optimization of the OS would be meaningless. You could spend years of work getting Windows to run games maybe 5% faster, only for new more powerful hardware and new more bloated games to make that work irrelevent.
 
With that Valve deep throating word salad out of the way, let's look at what happened after. Investors at all the big companies got a gigantic erection after they saw the success of Valve's very unique offering and decided that the companies they have stakes in need to make a competitor because it's an untapped goldmine, Valve is reaping all the rewards of it and they want a piece of it NOW. And they're only willing to take the risk now, because Valve took it first. Without a private company taking risks to innovate, those publicly traded conglomerates would never do shit.

You're forgetting one thing. In the case of almost every console/handheld ever,
money is made through selling software. It's a well-known fact that some consoles (Xbox 360, etc.) lose money on every box, they recoup it through software and try to increase the attach rate. This is why new consoles and handhelds don't push backwards compatibility as a marketing point (if they have it all) because if you're running older software you're not buying the new stuff. You've probably seen this commercial before and rolled your eyes with what Atari Corp. execs were thinking. It's not just the fact that the Atari XEGS lacks Zelda, Metroid, and Mario, or that Atari's Bug Hunt looks like outdated shit compared to Nintendo's Duck Hunt, it's that they basically relied on stuff that the consumer already had (namely basically the Atari computer line), not creating new games, which Atari wasn't and barely anyone else was either. As a result Atari XEGS was dead on arrival.

The only two other consoles to ever attempt something similar were the Amiga CD32 and Bandai @World (Apple Pippin), both of which were failures for other reasons before it even came to software attach rate...and I'm sure that when it came to planning out the Xbox they made the decision that it was a completely separate console and wasn't compatible with Windows/DOS applications.

While there is a certain technical aspect of making a PC handheld that hasn't really been achievable for years (back in the 1990s there was the DOS-compatible HP Palmtop line, but it was meant for the business crowd, not for games), Valve was also able to take advantage of one unique thing that its competitors don't have...it sells games through its storefront. This not only allows them to make a profit on every game "sold" for the Steam Deck, it provides an easy interface to do so. None of the "portable PC" systems really provided an easy way to add new games to it, basically using a second computer and a cable to add stuff onto it.

All these other competitors have to make money through hardware, which is difficult to do and drives up the cost.
 
Technically Microsoft could make Windows run on top of Hyper-V so that games can run in a container that has priority access, but realistically it would be a moot point. These days games are so incredibly resource-inefficient that any optimization of the OS would be meaningless. You could spend years of work getting Windows to run games maybe 5% faster, only for new more powerful hardware and new more bloated games to make that work irrelevent.
you misunderstood me, I meant that telemetry and bloat are a feature, that's why microsoft will never get rid of it. and even if they tried I doubt they'd have the technical chops to do it.

as mentioned the real money is in software sales, ms can get away with it on the xbox since it's a walled garden, but no one in their right mind would buy a portable xbox if your only option for games are goypass or streaming - and that's before considering how retarded microsoft is probably demanding constant online connection for that thing but no cellular support.
 
All these other competitors have to make money through hardware, which is difficult to do and drives up the cost.
I'd be willing to pay the cost if they gave a complete package that was well thought out. Why does the MSI claw have the best cooling solution but run on an all Intel chipset that gargles balls and sucks the battery dry? Why does the legion go have a built in kickstand and removable controllers but they didn't make the controllers pairable unless they are attached on startup and only one track pad? Why does the ROG Ally have the best compute power and an expandable video card slot but melts its own SD card and the controls are dog shit? Why can they not package all these positives into one device, give it a beefy enough chip to run windows and games at the same time and sell that to me?

Why am I being required to suffer 10 shit features and problems for 1 or 2 positives per device?
 
I'd be willing to pay the cost if they gave a complete package that was well thought out. Why does the MSI claw have the best cooling solution but run on an all Intel chipset that gargles balls and sucks the battery dry? Why does the legion go have a built in kickstand and removable controllers but they didn't make the controllers pairable unless they are attached on startup and only one track pad? Why does the ROG Ally have the best compute power and an expandable video card slot but melts its own SD card and the controls are dog shit? Why can they not package all these positives into one device, give it a beefy enough chip to run windows and games at the same time and sell that to me?

Why am I being required to suffer 10 shit features and problems for 1 or 2 positives per device?
they're first gen hardware? Even though I wanted a folding phone for years I waited until the third gen Razr plus and it's holding up fine.
the second gen is likely to be improved, even if half the manufacturers bow out. I wonder if there's any rumors of second gen gloating around yet

edit: Legion Go 2 and ROG Ally 2 confirmed.
 
they're first gen hardware? Even though I wanted a folding phone for years I waited until the third gen Razr plus and it's holding up fine.
the second gen is likely to be improved, even if half the manufacturers bow out. I wonder if there's any rumors of second gen gloating around yet

edit: Legion Go 2 and ROG Ally 2 confirmed.
One thing I'd like to see is something a bit smaller. Like, a Steam Deck is almost a foot long and nearly one-and-a-half pounds. The DS/3DS is a good alternative since it has a larger screen than its Game Boy antecedents and seems to fit adult hands better but still manages to make my hands cramp up.

Of course, I've also gone on record implying handhelds are for children and young people (not so much because playing Bing Bing Wahoo in public is unbecoming, but the opportunity for when handhelds are great rapidly decreases).
 
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but still manages to make my hands cramp up
Because circular rectangles are a horrible idea for handheld designs

I bought a grip case/cover for my switch lite (specifically this one) because trying to play this thing with any kind of seriousness with big adult hands is more akin to torture. The 3DS had the same issue, even the bigger XL model and I had to use a grip case for that as well. It's mainly an issue with games where your fingers are forced to rest on the trigger L/R buttons because they will get used quite often (e.g. Mario Kart). Fuck fighters though, you're better off just using a wireless controller to play those on anything like that unless you're one of those pros that can use the analog stick instead of the much preffered digital directional buttons.
 
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they're first gen hardware?
that excuse doesn't fly anymore, they're not doing anything new or groundbreaking, they're playing catchup to a device from two years ago. there's is literally no excuse for this. more likely they didn't trust the product (nice kickback for using intel, making the product worse), got greedy (gweilos will confuse it with a steamdeck or fall for the higher numbers, no need to put effort in) or are just plain incompetent to even copy a competing product and figure out what makes it work so well.
 
Are any of the off brand steam deck docks worth getting? I want to get one but the official steam one is like 80 dollars which I feel is over priced.
 
Are any of the off brand steam deck docks worth getting? I want to get one but the official steam one is like 80 dollars which I feel is over priced.
What do you want the dock for? If you just want to use it to display to a TV, a regular usb c to hdmi adapter with PD will work.
 
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What do you want the dock for? If you just want to use it to display to a TV, a regular usb c to hdmi adapter with PD will work.
Thunderbolt or Display port alt mode or what? There's two or three conflicting standards. Plus a adapter would have too much Apple vibes and be skeevy as hell
 
Thunderbolt or Display port alt mode or what? There's two or three conflicting standards. Plus a adapter would have too much Apple vibes and be skeevy as hell
I'm not sure what the standard is. I have a cheapo usb c sabrent adapter that works. I don't think it needs anything fancy.
 
Are any of the off brand steam deck docks worth getting? I want to get one but the official steam one is like 80 dollars which I feel is over priced.
It comes with a spare power adapter, so the question becomes do you intend to buy a dock with an adapter separately or are you actually looking for a dock only.
 
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It comes with a spare power adapter, so the question becomes do you intend to buy a dock with an adapter separately or are you actually looking for a dock only.
Oh man I didn’t think about the power adapter. That would explain why the official dock is so much more expensive then the knockoffs. Yeah I need a power adapter as well. So the official one isn’t looking so bad now.
 
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Oh man I didn’t think about the power adapter. That would explain why the official dock is so much more expensive then the knockoffs. Yeah I need a power adapter as well. So the official one isn’t looking so bad now.
The official one is the one to get. Firmware updates happen seamlessly through the Deck's UI and you get display port output along with the power adapter, both which the JSAUX lack. The only gripe I have with the official deck is that the slot for the deck is a bit narrow. If you have a case, it will press on the deck at weird angles. It's easily solved with the Jsaux adapter though.
 
I have not bought a Steam Deck but I might get the "second" one (when they introduce a new APU).

If Valve picked a Zen 5 "Kraken Point" APU (cheaper variant of Strix Point) off the shelf, it should have:

4x Zen 5 cores, 4x Zen 5c cores (from 4x Zen 2)
8x RDNA 3.5 CUs (from 8x RDNA 2)
16 MB L3 cache (from 4 MB)

The problem is that while the CPU would be overkill, I don't think the GPU performance is enough to meet what their target is going to be. Maybe they'd have to wait for the Zen 6 generation of APUs around ~2026, or make another custom APU, such as:

4x Zen 5c cores
12-16x RDNA 3.5 CUs
LPDDR6 memory/256-bit controller?
More than 4 MB L3 cache

I think 4x Zen 5c will end up 40-50% faster than 4x Zen 2 at the same low clocks seen in the Steam Deck, possibly more in emulators that can use AVX-512.
 
A new challenger approaches:
ZOTAC to Debut Limit-Pushing Handheld Gaming PC at COMPUTEX 2024 (archive)
At the forefront of ZOTAC’s presence at COMPUTEX 2024 will be the unveiling of ZOTAC GAMING’s brand new ZONE handheld, a high-performance portable PC designed from the ground up with quality controls and top-end specs such as a beautiful 7” AMOLED multi-touch high refresh Display for crisp and smooth visuals and a 2-stage adjustable triggers so gamers can bring their A game on the go.

“Ever since the establishment of the ZOTAC GAMING brand, we have strived to provide an unmatched gaming experience for enthusiasts worldwide,” Said Tony Wong, Chief Executive Officer of ZOTAC. “We have made considerable efforts to raise the bar with our debut handheld, tailor-made with competitive features for all gamers.”

Leveraging ZOTAC GAMING’s passion for creating premium experiences and ZOTAC’s expertise in creating small and compact computing devices, this product marks the brand’s venture into an exciting category of product, imbued with the brand’s pure pursuit to elevate the gaming experience for enthusiasts worldwide. Visitors will be able to experience the thrills of gaming on the ZONE first-hand with functional prototypes of the design, as well as learn the design process of the device.
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I wonder about the 2-stage triggers. They have to circle around Sony's patents somehow (If there's any. I have a hard time finding it since searches are poisoned by their latest AI patent crap). The Dual Sense can simulate 2-stage triggers by having the motors add a ton of resistance instead of being a smooth pull.
 
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