Vegetarian or Vegan? - Which would you rather be?

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Vegetarian. Some things on veganism's forbidden list makes no sense to me. If a chicken's egg is unfertilized, why would it care?
 
John Titor said:
Vegetarian. Some things on veganism's forbidden list makes no sense to me. If a chicken's egg is unfertilized, why would it care?
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The motherchicken cares because she is in a cage popping out eggs. Vegans do it either for their own health, animal health, or both. If they consider the animals, that includes anything animals were involved in. Milk, leather, eggs, etc are out and sometimes they will go so far as no paper because paper production harms animals, trees are chopped down in area's with animals in trees too much. My brother is vegan and all christmas cards, birthday cards go return sender for this reason.
 
That's dumb IMO given that most paper is made on tree farms (which choose to plant trees when the old batch is chopped down and helps some species of animals by being new growth), and cows need to be milked or else they experience crippling pain due to how we bred them. Vegans forget all of these details in favor of mostly just the brand label. It's a rare vegan that's there for the health or for genuine diet reasons.

But then what do I know, I'm a Bloodmouth'ed Satan in their eyes and would at best be willing to be a lacto-ovo vegetarian if pushed.
 
Adamska said:
That's dumb IMO given that most paper is made on tree farms (which choose to plant trees when the old batch is chopped down and helps some species of animals by being new growth), and cows need to be milked or else they experience crippling pain due to how we bred them. Vegans forget all of these details in favor of mostly just the brand label. It's a rare vegan that's there for the health or for genuine diet reasons.
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Abolitionist vegans would do away with animal husbandry outright and stop breeding cattle and other farmed animals. There's also no real reason other than ethical reasons to be a vegan, since unlike being a vegetarian, it actually has detrimental health effects. I personally think we should stop breeding at least some animals, particularly dogs bred with extreme facial deformities because it's "cute" even though it squeezes their brains and they usually die of brain-related issues.

Scumbag vegans, like PETA, would just outright murder all domestic animals including pets, and actually do so whenever they get their mitts on them.
 
I find it fun to tell vegans they are plant murderers. Just because they can't make any noises doesn't mean you aren't killing a living thing.

The wool thing confuses me because not only are sheep not harmed when they are sheared but it is to their benefit to remove it. If vegans knew what kind of crap (literally) is all up in that coat, they might reconsider that bit. While leather does involve killing the animal, it really is a superior material so whatever. Just eat the steak at that point.

As a rebellious teen, I became a vegetarian as part of the eff you to my parents. I went back to eating meat 10 years later and feel so much better health-wise. Options are more available now but at that time, no one knew what to feed me so they just replaced the meat with cheese.
 
Trasha Pay That A$$ said:
I find it fun to tell vegans they are plant murderers. Just because they can't make any noises doesn't mean you aren't killing a living thing.
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Fuitarians.
"Some fruitarians will eat only what falls (or would fall) naturally from a plant: that is, foods that can be harvested without killing or harming the plant. These foods consist primarily of culinary fruits, nuts, and seeds. According to author Adam Gollner, some fruitarians eat only fallen fruit....some fruitarians feel that it is improper for humans to eat seeds as they contain future plants."

You may think it is original or funny, but someone else probably thought it up already. Chances are, it was unironic as well.
 
Francis Dollarhyde said:
Fuitarians.
"Some fruitarians will eat only what falls (or would fall) naturally from a plant: that is, foods that can be harvested without killing or harming the plant. These foods consist primarily of culinary fruits, nuts, and seeds. According to author Adam Gollner, some fruitarians eat only fallen fruit....some fruitarians feel that it is improper for humans to eat seeds as they contain future plants."

You may think it is original or funny, but someone else probably thought it up already. Chances are, it was unironic as well.
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They're eating the plant food that the parent plant made for its baby seed plant to grow off of. Literally stealing food from babies.

And even though you could argue that some plants "intend" for their fruits to be eaten, they typically have seeds that can survive passing through their target animal's digestive system; they're carried away from the parent plant and then planted with a nice dose of fertilizer -- the animal's dung. Those seeds wouldn't survive being eaten by a human, and if you eat the fruit and toss the seed in the trash, or even on the ground somewhere, it'll probably just die because you've deprived it of the nutrients that nature or the plant or whatever intended for it to have.

If they're worried about the ethical implications of their food that much, there is always gonna be an angle they haven't thought through. Might as well just eat a nice, juicy steak, really.
 
I can understand boycotting beef or some meat things though, given the most amount of deforestation that's genuinely bad (IE destroying rainforests) is because it's being cleared for ranches for said cattle. But when you want to be ethical on things, maybe research the thing you feel about before doing it as some attempt to be morally superior.
 
I occasionally lapse into vegetarianism not by anybody forcing me, but by flat out ignoring meats for a while.

Veganism is overkill, imho, but whatever floats your boat, and I've had some delicious vegan burritos.

Gluten free breads is where I draw the line though.
 
I don't really get the prevalency of veganism for ethical reasons. It seems to me like the majority are just doing it for the morality boost. As long as you stop supporting industry mass produced animal products, you should be fine. I get my eggs, honey and dairy products off local farms, and see the relationship between farm animals and farms as symbiotic.

As for vegetarianism, it think it's fantastic. There are so many meat replacements in today's world that taste just like the real thing that I hope it gains more popularity as the decades go on. Veggie burgers and gluten-free pastas are great, and don't use half as much energy to digest as meat. Gluten-free masterrace can go fuck itself, though.
 
Vegetarian, but that one would be cheating since I was raised vegetarian for a majority of my life and only started eating meat recently. Veganism just sounds like a pain in the ass, both in terms of dietary restrictions and public perception.
 
i have a huge problem with the vegan 'brand' - that is, taking the moral high-ground always ('well at least i'm not eating DEATH'), being hypocritical ('animal farming WILL kill this planet' all whilst cracking the plastic tab on a carton of soy milk open), doing their shitty protests (i think a bunch of them went and blocked off customers from picking up turkeys in waitrose this week or something else equally as middle class) and generally by not educating people atall on anything important to do with veganism, especially the health side of it. and, as a vegan for health reasons, if any of them ever looked twice at nutrition or actually cared about their diets, they wouldn't be getting excited about x supermarket releasing vegan cupcakes and caning whole packets of oreos at once. because vegan or not, obesity doesn't discriminate.

veganism is a step in the right direction for the environment, not some sort of magical cure that these insufferable cunts believe it to be.
 
Y2K Baby said:
I think this is untrue (if your livestock isn't mostly cows)
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well, at least it's a step in the right direction. livestock are unsustainable, when you factor in how much water used to grow their food, how much water they consume etc. vs. how much food they make; if they didn't exist to begin with, the environment would be a little better off

Webby's Boyfriend said:
If a vegan goes to hospital or jail, is there going to be vegan food for them?
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vegan food isn't all expensive fake meats and fancy coconut oil cheeses, bananas, potatoes, carrots and other cheap fruit and veg exist. i should hope a hospital feeds a lot of fruit and veg to its patients, and if you are dumb enough to get sent to jail it's going to look even dumber if you pull the vegan card to try and get the dinner you want.

i just remembered an insufferable vegan - emma laird. her hypocrisy is incredible. 'the meat and dairy industry are KILLING the planet' - what about the dozens of flights you take a year? 'the meat and dairy industry are AWFUL' - your 'career' is being a model, promoting fast fashion. 'i would never put anything unnatural or chemical on my skin!!!' - tell that to your makeup artists when they're splattering your face in god knows what for a photoshoot. the way she sits on her high horse piping her vegan bullshit (oh, and also with a history of an eating disorder, posts videos titled 'what i ate today as a vegan model!' on her youtube where she eats some lettuce and salsa for dinner. to an impressionable audience, fuck off) but her career as a model completely subverts the message she is trying to put out, she's a fucking special kind of hypocrite. oh, and she's writing a book now. i'm surprised she's not a lolcow already, i can't wait for this 'book' to be some rupi kaur drivel
 
I love meat, but if I had to make the choice I'd be vegetarian over vegan any day. Vegan milk/egg substitutes are gross and every other recipe has either of those ingredients. I'm not gonna give up 90% of the food that I enjoy just to save some chicken's unfertilized eggs.
Vegetarian food is pretty decent, too, so long as they aren't trying to copy meats. Fruits and veggies are delicious in their own way.
 
Vegetarian, for several reasons.

1: I use a lot of eggs, miIk and butter in my cooking, all taboo for vegans.
2: Cheese is too fucking good to go without.
3: I'm not nearly enough of a smug cunt to be a vegan. Seriously, I can't fucking stand those whiny, self righteous piles of excrement.

But seriously, how the fuck would I make my goddamn veggie burgers?! They're basically bean paste, spices, rice flour and egg. Without the egg it's just a mushy mess on a bun with a texture that reminds you of soft shit.
 
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ExceptionallyExceptional said:
Vegetarian, for several reasons.

1: I use a lot of eggs, tard cum and butter in my cooking, both taboo for vegans.
2: Cheese is too fucking good to go without.
3: I'm not nearly enough of a smug cunt to be a vegan. Seriously, I can;'t fucking stand those whiny, self righteous piles of excrement.

But seriously, how the fuck would I make my goddamn veggie burgers?! They're basically bean paste, spices, rice flour and egg. Without the egg it's just a mushy mess on a bun with a texture that reminds you of soft shit.
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unfortunately, you're not even wrong about vegans. i think the main difference between vegetarians and vegans is the fucking holier-than-thou attitude. there's also still no good alternative to cheese. i never liked actual cheese ever since i was able to like anything so avoided it pretty much all of my life, but i have tried vegan cheese that tastes like actual vomit.

burger-wise you could probably just buy a veggie burger. idk where you're from but in the uk there's a lot of options, unless they're a meat replica/soy based they generally taste like big falafels which i can't argue with
 
alpro slut said:
well, at least it's a step in the right direction. livestock are unsustainable, when you factor in how much water used to grow their food, how much water they consume etc. vs. how much food they make; if they didn't exist to begin with, the environment would be a little better off
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This is basically false. There isn't enough soil to support a fully plant-based diet (just in and for America- but this absolutely applies to the whole world too) especially given nutritional requirements. Livestock serve a purpose.

Also, everything is unsustainable- livestock being plausibly sustainable enough (again, fuck cows) that it's moot to say they're the main problem.
 
I prefer eating meat (along with everything else), so I’d sooner be vegetarian before vegan. Not to mention, it’s much easier to find vegetarian recipes/restaurant menu items than it is for vegan. Also, eggs and m.ilk are too delicious to give up.
 
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