Villains that are better than the Hero.

- Junko from Danganronpa 1. She was a very charismatic, entertaining, very straightforward with how evil she is, and enjoys being evil with no grand plan that pretty much stole the show despite not appearing much in the game. She has a lot of high energy which makes her shine compared to the very boring and poorly written main character.

- Kirei from Fate/Stay Night. It's not that Shirou is a bad character, it's just that Kirei had a more interesting presence towards him that made him a far more engaging character towards me and does a lot of smart moves that make you want to see what he does next.

- Eggman from the recent Sonic movie mainly because he was much more entertaining to follow along from how he is a complete douchebag who acts like he is smarter than everyone, flexes about it, and yet acts like a complete sperg whenever someone actually one ups him. He also acts like an idiot privately and it's glorious


- For a bonus Jack Torrance mainly because he literally carries the entire movie in terms of the characters within the cast, and has some of the more memorable moments that make him the first thing you think of when it comes to The Shining. Kubrick and Jack Nicholson really did their best here.

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Truthboi said:
- Eggman from the recent Sonic movie mainly because he was much more entertaining to follow along from how he is a complete douchebag who acts like he is smarter than everyone, flexes about it, and yet acts like a complete sperg whenever someone actually one ups him. He also acts like an idiot privately and it's glorious

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Black Ops Eggman is a character I never thought I wanted so badly until I saw this in the cinema.
 
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Black Ops Eggman is a character I never thought I wanted so badly until I saw this in the cinema.
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I god damn Hate Jim Carry in many roles, but holy fuck if he did not hit Robotnick out of the park like a boss.

That movie was so god damn good.
 
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Villanelle in Killing Eve is, at first, far more interesting than the other main character, Eve Polastri, the agent who tries to arrest her. Villanelle's complete lack of fucks to give, her amorality, her sarcasm, her being annoying just for the sake or being annoying and her creativity when it comes to kill is extremely entertaining to watch. You can't help to root for her.

Then you slowly learn that Eve, the supposed hero of the piece, has several sociopathic traits...
Edit: apparently I can't upload images today, from my computer or from several hosting sites.
 
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I always preferred Lord Summerisle to Sergeant Howie in The Wicker Man. At the end I always think "sure hope their apples grow back"
 
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As a kid I thought the robot pirates in Rayman 2 were way cooler than any of the heroes.

Also Tim Curry in Ferngully and his ooh, ooh, ahh, uhh, toxic love!
 
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Honestly I think these days all villains are better than their heros. Heroes these days are op goody goodys and they are often the self insertion of the writers. Just look at the new warriors Gotham high or really any "popular "comic, the heroes suck so much but their villains have end goals, are the underdogs, are often made to be as hateable as possible according to that the writer considers traits of a bad person, and it makes them more likeable than the heroes.
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Noticed that a lot in SJW media. It's like that New Guy meme back at January were the artist meant to portray him as an ignoramus blue collar bigot, but his innocent demeanor won everyone's hearts, while making herself look more toxic ironically.
 
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Ok I found a new favorite.

Last night I couldn't sleep so I was puttzing around on late night cable tv out of sheer boredom and I blundered across a movie named Highlander.

Ball lickingly good flick about a bunch of immortals force to fight until only 1 is left and the evil dude name The Kurgan is now my 4th favorite villain ever.

If you strip away the good and evil shit he's just a really really bored immortal whose really just looking for a good time. The bit where he kidnaps the hero's love interest and proceeds to drive on the wrong side of the road across the Brooklyn bridge while singing a badly off tune version New York, New York while she sits there screaming until she passes out is frankly freaking hilarious.

Oh Sean Connery is also in it as some sort of weird Scottish Egyptian dude, which is awesome in and of itself.

Go watch Highlander. Really.
 
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In Elfin Lied the Dicons are dangerous as fuck and it's established that even the good ones periodically snap and go on mass killing sprees. The bad guys are genocidal yes but can you blame them?
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I mean, worst-case scenario they could have gone with something like the Madagascar plan rather than brutalizing them like they did. Nana who didn't seem prone to snaping fought fairly evenly even with Lucy so it doesn't really seem inconceivable that they could have self-policed if isolated with only their kind.
 
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As an aside, I'm so tired of stories with the Order/Restraint = Evil and Chaos/Freedom= Good false dichotomy. Show me a story where the Big Good goes "Yeah, I'll allow you the freedom to make your own decisions, but if you fuck up because you follow your own appetites instead of common sense or the rules I laid out for you, I'm not gonna save you."
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That's basically Christianity (minus the "I'm not saving you"part).
 
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Forgive me if either have been mentioned. But Boris Balkan from The Ninth Gate is one of my favourite villains of all time.
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A wealthy, book-obsessed lunatic, not so much hiding in plain sight as not bothering to hide at all because when you're that rich, nobody cares if you keep talking about the Devil. The role is made by Frank Langella walking a perfect line between mundaneity and ham. Whilst Dean Corso played by Johnny Depp is more or less the hero, he's the mouse to Langella's cat almost the entire movie.

I'm sure this one must have been posted but:
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Made just to die, still capable of showing mercy right at the end when there was nothing left for him except vengeance. He risked everything not just for himself but for those like him. being forced to watch them die off one by one unable to save them. He's the villain only because he rejected the fate that had been given him.

And finally...
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Like someone said earlier, almost all of them because when is the hero's motivation anything other than "durr u bad me stop u"

When do protagonists have a real, tangible, actual goal they are striving for? This whole Villains > Hero meme arises from the fetishization of "oy vey, there's just two different perspectives" which is true, sure, but it creates a dichtonomy of Villains being self-actualized successful tragic heroes and "Heroes" being mindless weapons of the status quo.

Huh, now that I think about it. . . .
 
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I've always found Darkseid to be superior to Superman in virtually every way. The only reason he ever loses is do to his single-minded nature and/or Superman's usual Plot Armor nonsense. I'm not one of those people who think Superman is an intrinsically boring character either because in some iterations he is actually pretty compelling. Despite his outward appearance the more you read into Darkseid the more you realize what a complex and interesting character he is when done correctly. He has knocked Supes out with a single punch, crushed a Green Lantern ring with one hand, destroyed planets, etc. all while in his "lesser form". The Darkseid that we typically think of is actually just an avatar of an omnipotent being that is ridiculously OP and able to do things like siphoning all the energy out of a universe. That version doesn't show up in the comics very often for obvious reasons but even his avatar version is more powerful than 99% of the DCU. I also really liked the voice acting for him in the Justice League cartoon I grew up watching but even in that iteration they didn't make him nearly as powerful as he actually is.

 
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