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GurAme Deep Rock collab
Gura just got done talking about watching videos of people eating corn starch
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Huh. Artia just got scammed by the Chinese recently too. It must be going around this time of year
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I just assumed that's what she was referencing
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Update: Faggot interviews the accused, Eilene is lying and scammed him instead allegedly.
Summary:
>Accused states that Eilen had falsely claimed that HLive was a company when it was really Eilen's freelance business, contracts with members could not be inherited and were void
>Just before he bought the company (spending 33m yen so far) the biggest members of HLive had already left to go indie (who accounted for 85% of revenue) and he wasn't informed
>He states that he bought the company because it was rated highly by Japanese M&A agencies, even though it was never registered as a company and all the main breadwinners had left
>Eilene has multiple ex-HLive members in conflict with him, including him getting sued by multiple people
>The accused states that Eilene is hiding somewhere is China (lol)
>He did insult the members because he was having a mental breakdown, in which he apologized to them after clearing his head. He denies all claims of sexual harassments and smearing campaigns
>He thinks that Eilene made the video after the accused threatened to take him to court in order to defame him before the court date
He had a good business which can earn well as you can see But it was all lies. First he never went for thosr M&A agencies as far as my research goes That was much later The only place he went He lied to the M&A agencies (Merger and Acquisition)
As you can see I asked my talents to set most of their stream archives private
Anyway what really happened was Eilene scammed me and he intended to do from the very beginning I'm afraid I was his fan so I Didn't double check a lot of info he gave me So I believed the pic he painted and know the group hlive I got Just lost 3 of the gen 1 members at the same time who Welp according to Eilene just tried to steal his knowledge and went indie
Those 3 gen 1 had around 85% of the revenue of hlive
What I thought was with Eilene's knowledge and connections even we lost 85% revenue, the M&A agencies rated the business so high it couldn't be wrong I was dead wrong because First he simply lied He never got any contract with those M&A agency The only one he talked, he lied to them and hide the fact that 3 talents just left and sent the lawyer letter for termination And he never went beyond NDA with them That's the first lie he told me
2nd lie at the very beginning was... Despite what Eilene claimed online hlive was not a company It was never registered as company. All the talents were contractors with him and there is no banking, tax system. The management was him and one part time manager with 140k yen monthly income (a fresh graduate in JP earns about 200k yen per month ...) on fantia customer support member I believe at the time only earn 100k or below.
Then 3 outsource MMD workers... And for this skeleton group..hlive had 7 talents... before I took over 3 quit together Eilene told me this crew is why the business is so successful.. profitable Even just 2 weeks ago on tape when I confronted him he was insisting this
While in reality I have screen shots and other proof that talents left because Eileen always claimed he is sick and it took days for him to come back to talents. The only Manager also doedsn't even reply within a day.. after I took over the siutation was pretty much the same. So he lied about the group;s operation
The 3rd lie he told was about contracts. As I mentioned about hlive was not a company.. it was his freelance business so all the contracts he had with talents were with him. But according to JP law once he sold his freelance business to me it closed down, so all the previous contracts he had with all the talents will become void
As the matter of fact I learned this very late from one of the lawyer who was handling his conflicts with ex HLive (yes there are 5 cases..4 were ongoing when I told over OMFG) And since he dumped this shit to me All his conflicts became mine Well but the most important part is I never known I literally got nothing Because all the contracts will go void and if talents don't want to stay they don't have to In reality out of 4 remaining talents I got from HLive The top earner at beginning never resigned with me and quit on 23/April.. much ealrier than the rest 3 who still active And when confronted with this on tape Eilene literally said I told you'd better resign the contract But he never told me that contracts he had with girls will not be inherited Most of these were lies he told at very beginning And with all these above I made a very very stupid decision
That's buy hlive with a totally price more than 80m The deal was like this I buy 50% of the HLive revenue with 30m [] still have 50% left And to totally get 100% I need to pay him 80m+50% of the time I spent with him 80m yen just to clarify
And when I took over the group The revene with 4 members left were roughly 2m yen per month give or take (I can show you the numbers later) And half will have to go for talents So if I stop monetize members who left It will take me at least 100+ months to even pay back the debts
I think Eielen mentioned that he worked for me for one and half year for free in his video, and he also paid for talents form that long because I didn't That's a total lie You see the case is as a foreigner without long term visa I cannot open a bank And HLive is not a company so there was no company bank account + as a foreign citizen I couldn't start a Japanese company alone So I have to find someone to start the company with me Because he claimed according to the M&A contract he needed to help me one month
If A Vtuber quit.. graduate Usually as management we are supposed to close down the accounts right? But no Using existing leftover voice etc to keep pumping out contents on fantia..aka Japanese onlyfans Pretend they jus tgo through long haitus And keep getting the money from members who alr quit
Because there was literally no way for me to get the money from Youtube Fantia Fantia is the main income but they don't send to China due to Chinese regulation But the firm can only send money with Japan because of tax regulation So As the results All HLive money was held by them Not me I only got paid twice in first 3 months Then from I think 2022 May to 2023 Aug I never got my 50% false
Payment I worked for free For 15 months Yet You go look at what this mf said in their video Oh I don't pay my talents They worked for free (like wot he literally said he only helped me for a month) He is the victim Lmfao
False: Did you insult the talents?
Yes Because I was very desperate And the taletns all know about these This happened in late 2022 or early 2023 Because I felt that it's the end of the world Me with 80m yen plus debts So I just tell them hey You sold me piece of shit It's hopeless I want fire everyone and quit
As a form of protest Also as a form of ranting Talents know these once the vid came out and I apologized
I originally will paid 10 m yen for 30% of the revenue Then I need to pay him 20m more at the end of 2023 For just 50% and while he can collect the 50% all the time And to get to 100% I need to pay him 80m yen in total + the 50% he can collect So for example For 30m it was 50% 40m I own 60% Till 80% While as long as I don't pay the "debt" (yes it was phrased this way) So you can imagine This is like I probably could never pay him back with the investment
False: How much have you spent so far?
Rn? 33m yen Roughly I wanted to keep it at roughly 43m
At the time I offerred 10m more yen to Eilen to close out the deal and allow Eilen to walk away But Eilen said anything under 50m yen was not acceptable And that they could keep running the company themselves
Also I said everyone including managers talents are ueless morons losers And I want to fire them and quit the business Cuz it's hopeless And yes talnets and managers know this I apologized to them beforehand
Idk what talents think about me but it's very low to take these out of context I don't care what he said you can ask my talents how I trated them They get 50% of the revenue while I subsidize all the fees Arts sometimes just one talents commissioned more than 20% of total revenue And ofc live2d Mvs All of them and I made roadmaps for them Help live2d designs I do care about them a lot and before this happened at late 2023 to 2024 I can say we were among the most wholesome Vtuber groups
We have a deticated ex Vtuber (26k subs) manager just for mental care While eilene He didn't care shit This is clearly disgusting and an attempt to defame me with lies
False: Did they think it was a threat of a court case that kicked off the video?
Yes I told them If we can't settle I will sue
False: Are you aware of any sexual harassments allegations?
No Not in anyway As you can ask all of my talents I can totally prove anything Eilen just wants to defame me because they know they have no chance to win and want to ruin me before court case is concluded
(Eilen is getting sued by multiple people) Including one ex HLive member who asked for 4m yen compensation Even as late as 2022/9 There are still lawyer letter coming to me.. the virtual office of hlive for mail With people suing him
They can't find him on phone Sorry I didn't record that one But that's exactly why He always hides in China
My lawyers specualated that he is trying to avoid a lot of stuff Multiple lawsuits That's why he was so afraid if I go to court Because if I was the one at wrong why not settle with laws I'm very happy TO do so As you can see from previous screenshots
As you can see I asked my talents to set most of their stream archives private
Anyway what really happened was Eilene scammed me and he intended to do from the very beginning I'm afraid I was his fan so I Didn't double check a lot of info he gave me So I believed the pic he painted and know the group hlive I got Just lost 3 of the gen 1 members at the same time who Welp according to Eilene just tried to steal his knowledge and went indie
Those 3 gen 1 had around 85% of the revenue of hlive
What I thought was with Eilene's knowledge and connections even we lost 85% revenue, the M&A agencies rated the business so high it couldn't be wrong I was dead wrong because First he simply lied He never got any contract with those M&A agency The only one he talked, he lied to them and hide the fact that 3 talents just left and sent the lawyer letter for termination And he never went beyond NDA with them That's the first lie he told me
2nd lie at the very beginning was... Despite what Eilene claimed online hlive was not a company It was never registered as company. All the talents were contractors with him and there is no banking, tax system. The management was him and one part time manager with 140k yen monthly income (a fresh graduate in JP earns about 200k yen per month ...) on fantia customer support member I believe at the time only earn 100k or below.
Then 3 outsource MMD workers... And for this skeleton group..hlive had 7 talents... before I took over 3 quit together Eilene told me this crew is why the business is so successful.. profitable Even just 2 weeks ago on tape when I confronted him he was insisting this
While in reality I have screen shots and other proof that talents left because Eileen always claimed he is sick and it took days for him to come back to talents. The only Manager also doedsn't even reply within a day.. after I took over the siutation was pretty much the same. So he lied about the group;s operation
The 3rd lie he told was about contracts. As I mentioned about hlive was not a company.. it was his freelance business so all the contracts he had with talents were with him. But according to JP law once he sold his freelance business to me it closed down, so all the previous contracts he had with all the talents will become void
As the matter of fact I learned this very late from one of the lawyer who was handling his conflicts with ex HLive (yes there are 5 cases..4 were ongoing when I told over OMFG) And since he dumped this shit to me All his conflicts became mine Well but the most important part is I never known I literally got nothing Because all the contracts will go void and if talents don't want to stay they don't have to In reality out of 4 remaining talents I got from HLive The top earner at beginning never resigned with me and quit on 23/April.. much ealrier than the rest 3 who still active And when confronted with this on tape Eilene literally said I told you'd better resign the contract But he never told me that contracts he had with girls will not be inherited Most of these were lies he told at very beginning And with all these above I made a very very stupid decision
That's buy hlive with a totally price more than 80m The deal was like this I buy 50% of the HLive revenue with 30m [] still have 50% left And to totally get 100% I need to pay him 80m+50% of the time I spent with him 80m yen just to clarify
And when I took over the group The revene with 4 members left were roughly 2m yen per month give or take (I can show you the numbers later) And half will have to go for talents So if I stop monetize members who left It will take me at least 100+ months to even pay back the debts
I think Eielen mentioned that he worked for me for one and half year for free in his video, and he also paid for talents form that long because I didn't That's a total lie You see the case is as a foreigner without long term visa I cannot open a bank And HLive is not a company so there was no company bank account + as a foreign citizen I couldn't start a Japanese company alone So I have to find someone to start the company with me Because he claimed according to the M&A contract he needed to help me one month
If A Vtuber quit.. graduate Usually as management we are supposed to close down the accounts right? But no Using existing leftover voice etc to keep pumping out contents on fantia..aka Japanese onlyfans Pretend they jus tgo through long haitus And keep getting the money from members who alr quit
Because there was literally no way for me to get the money from Youtube Fantia Fantia is the main income but they don't send to China due to Chinese regulation But the firm can only send money with Japan because of tax regulation So As the results All HLive money was held by them Not me I only got paid twice in first 3 months Then from I think 2022 May to 2023 Aug I never got my 50% false
Payment I worked for free For 15 months Yet You go look at what this mf said in their video Oh I don't pay my talents They worked for free (like wot he literally said he only helped me for a month) He is the victim Lmfao
False: Did you insult the talents?
Yes Because I was very desperate And the taletns all know about these This happened in late 2022 or early 2023 Because I felt that it's the end of the world Me with 80m yen plus debts So I just tell them hey You sold me piece of shit It's hopeless I want fire everyone and quit
As a form of protest Also as a form of ranting Talents know these once the vid came out and I apologized
I originally will paid 10 m yen for 30% of the revenue Then I need to pay him 20m more at the end of 2023 For just 50% and while he can collect the 50% all the time And to get to 100% I need to pay him 80m yen in total + the 50% he can collect So for example For 30m it was 50% 40m I own 60% Till 80% While as long as I don't pay the "debt" (yes it was phrased this way) So you can imagine This is like I probably could never pay him back with the investment
False: How much have you spent so far?
Rn? 33m yen Roughly I wanted to keep it at roughly 43m
At the time I offerred 10m more yen to Eilen to close out the deal and allow Eilen to walk away But Eilen said anything under 50m yen was not acceptable And that they could keep running the company themselves
Also I said everyone including managers talents are ueless morons losers And I want to fire them and quit the business Cuz it's hopeless And yes talnets and managers know this I apologized to them beforehand
Idk what talents think about me but it's very low to take these out of context I don't care what he said you can ask my talents how I trated them They get 50% of the revenue while I subsidize all the fees Arts sometimes just one talents commissioned more than 20% of total revenue And ofc live2d Mvs All of them and I made roadmaps for them Help live2d designs I do care about them a lot and before this happened at late 2023 to 2024 I can say we were among the most wholesome Vtuber groups
We have a deticated ex Vtuber (26k subs) manager just for mental care While eilene He didn't care shit This is clearly disgusting and an attempt to defame me with lies
False: Did they think it was a threat of a court case that kicked off the video?
Yes I told them If we can't settle I will sue
False: Are you aware of any sexual harassments allegations?
No Not in anyway As you can ask all of my talents I can totally prove anything Eilen just wants to defame me because they know they have no chance to win and want to ruin me before court case is concluded
(Eilen is getting sued by multiple people) Including one ex HLive member who asked for 4m yen compensation Even as late as 2022/9 There are still lawyer letter coming to me.. the virtual office of hlive for mail With people suing him
They can't find him on phone Sorry I didn't record that one But that's exactly why He always hides in China
My lawyers specualated that he is trying to avoid a lot of stuff Multiple lawsuits That's why he was so afraid if I go to court Because if I was the one at wrong why not settle with laws I'm very happy TO do so As you can see from previous screenshots
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Doki's return stream got copyright-claimed and demonitized because of that Freebird dono
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I was dual watching Gura and Pippa. Any autist with a calculator figure out how much Doki made tonight?
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I mean it was really just mirai akari and to a much lesser degree moe (shiori)
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I fucking forgot about the earthquake backlash. Yugo doing a public good stream had idiots whining about tone. Yugo had some of the most "Nijisanji" collab/stream ideas but not Japanese is not Japanese and thus Yugo was cut.
She's a vtuber, a soft brain is a given...
Almost feel bad for false: huge EN-esque drama with an exclusive interview and relatively shit views. Unless the Shenzhen man provides receipts I'll believe the menhera JP.
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A treatable fatal illness? And the chinks scammed em?
That video is way high quality sketches. I can't really imagine a person arting out caricatures of their plans to kill themselves like that.
I remember seeing this tuber with the robot voice ages ago.
Saying a lot of emotionally charged things about the bugman related to the japanese like they want to stir up emotions. Not exactly wrong, but boy is it weighted in a certain way.
Yeah this looks more interesting than just simple Chinaman scam.
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Here's what stands out to me, it's not really a suicide note as much as it is a way to sway public opinion his way.
If I were suicidal I'd probably write my note and just off myself instead of whatever weird shit this is.
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Scammed for $90k? I don't trust this ccp bitch an inch.
I though she quit vtubing for good but now I realized that she made her own bilibili agency (Nibiru) last year?
X-avier cuck
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Shiori's gotta enjoy being able to sit comfortably in Hololive having long since gotten away from Eileen seeing all this drama unfold.
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In vtuber-adjascent news, male menhera Mafumafu has released a new menhera song titled "Isshou Fukou de Kamawanai (I don't care if I'm unfortunate for the rest of my life)". The song and lyrics were penned a year ago but he's finally got around to recording the piece, and judging from how the word "gomennasai (sorry)" appears 15 times in the song, you can bet your ass it will be a self-pity slogfest an intriguing look into his tortured emotions.
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Lol he's such a pussy.
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(Forgot to post this while it was streaming, but the VOD is still up) So Mumei's back now:
Also rather interesting clip:
Also rather interesting clip:
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That's funny, that's also what Gura says she's been up to, something that's in essence taking some me time off.
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Imagine hiring 8 lawyers to sue some anons who told her to act her age.
Her 5 arguments according to the thread on leddit
:#1. Breach of privacy
- Judgment: Invalid because Rushia's age is discoverable with a single Google search.
#2. Infringing her honour
- Judgment: It is in fact creepy to say things like "I'm gonna lick this knife," or "I wanna kill 'em," so it wouldn't be considered illegal under Japanese law.
#3. Copyright violations
- Judgment: The image was hosted on an external site (imgur) so linking it isn't illegal since you can't know if the poster uploaded it. (Also it apparently wasn't copyrightable for some reason...? Something about it being editable.)
#4. Copyright requirement to source other people's work with a name
- (Apparently the imgur screenshot cropped out her name)
- Judgment: The wording was kinda confusing for this one, but I think the final judgment was that the name didn't need to be displayed because the image redacted personally identifiable information...?
#5. Disclosure is necessary in order to press charges against the anonymous posters
- There was no specific judgment for this argument.