Visa ‘Intended to Help’ Pornhub and Its Parent Company Monetize Child Porn, Judge Finds in Allowing Case to Move Forward


By Todd Spangler

Pornhub

MindGeek

In a setback for Visa in a case alleging the payment processor is liable for the distribution of child pornography on Pornhub and other sites operated by parent company MindGeek, a federal judge ruled that it was reasonable to conclude that Visa knowingly facilitated the criminal activity.
On Friday, July 29, U.S. District Judge Cormac Carney of the U.S. District Court of the Central District of California issued a decision in the Fleites v. MindGeek case, denying Visa’s motion to dismiss the claim it violated California’s Unfair Competition Law — which prohibits unlawful, unfair or fraudulent business acts and practices — by processing payments for child porn. (A copy of the decision is available at this link.)


In the ruling, Carney held that the plaintiff “adequately alleged” that Visa engaged in a criminal conspiracy with MindGeek to monetize child pornography. Specifically, he wrote, “Visa knew that MindGeek’s websites were teeming with monetized child porn”; that there was a “criminal agreement to financially benefit from child porn that can be inferred from [Visa’s] decision to continue to recognize MindGeek as a merchant despite allegedly knowing that MindGeek monetized a substantial amount of child porn”; and that “the court can comfortably infer that Visa intended to help MindGeek monetize child porn” by “knowingly provid[ing] the tool used to complete the crime.”



“When MindGeek decides to monetize child porn, and Visa decides to continue to allow its payment network to be used for that goal despite knowledge of MindGeek’s monetization of child porn, it is entirely foreseeable that victims of child porn like plaintiff will suffer the harms that plaintiff alleges,” Carney wrote.
In a statement, a Visa spokesperson said: “Visa condemns sex trafficking, sexual exploitation and child sexual abuse materials as repugnant to our values and purpose as a company. This pre-trial ruling is disappointing and mischaracterizes Visa’s role and its policies and practices. Visa will not tolerate the use of our network for illegal activity. We continue to believe that Visa is an improper defendant in this case.”
A rep for MindGeek provided this statement: “At this point in the case, the court has not yet ruled on the veracity of the allegations, and is required to assume all of the plaintiff’s allegations are true and accurate. When the court can actually consider the facts, we are confident the plaintiff’s claims will be dismissed for lack of merit. MindGeek has zero tolerance for the posting of illegal content on its platforms, and has instituted the most comprehensive safeguards in user-generated platform history.”
The company’s statement continued, “We have banned uploads from anyone who has not submitted government-issued ID that passes third-party verification, eliminated the ability to download free content, integrated several leading technological platform and content moderation tools, instituted digital fingerprinting of all videos found to be in violation of our Non-Consensual Content and CSAM [child sexual abuse material] Policies to help protect against removed videos being reposted, expanded our moderation workforce and processes, and partnered with dozens of non-profit organizations around the world. Any insinuation that MindGeek does not take the elimination of illegal material seriously is categorically false.”


In June, MindGeek CEO Feras Antoon and COO David Tassillo resigned. The Montreal, Quebec-based company also laid off an unknown number of employees. That came in the wake of a June 20 New Yorker exposé that found Pornhub hosted sexually explicit nonconsensual videos including those with children.
The plaintiff in the case against MindGeek and Visa is Serena Fleites, who, when she was 13, was pressured by her then-boyfriend into making a sexually explicit video — which he allegedly uploaded to Pornhub (with the title “13-Year Old Brunette Shows Off For the Camera”) without her knowledge or consent. Fleites’ attorneys say the video, which was alleged to have been viewed millions of times on MindGeek sites, destroyed her life: “While MindGeek profited from the child porn featuring plaintiff, plaintiff was intermittently homeless or living in her car, addicted to heroin, depressed and suicidal, and without the support of her family,” her lawsuit, filed in June 2021, states. Fleites’ story was featured by New York Times columnist Nicholas Kristof in December 2020, who detailed how MindGeek “monetizes child rapes.”
In his July 29 decision, Carney ruled partly in Visa’s favor. He wrote in the opinion that Fleites “simply has no basis for claiming Visa directly participated in the sex trafficking ventures that harmed her.” In addition, he ordered Fleites to provide “a more definite statement with respect to her common law civil conspiracy cause of action against Visa.”
In a second ruling (available at this link), Carney compelled MindGeek to undergo jurisdictional discovery, which attorneys for Fleites said will reveal MindGeek’s “shadowy operations and those controlling it” by exposing the defendant’s financial relationships. “Where the money flows in the MindGeek web, which may relate to ownership of the porn sites that generate revenue, matters to the court’s jurisdictional analysis,” the judge said in the opinion. “As the court sees it, financially benefitting from the sexual exploitation of minors is the core of this case.”
On Saturday, activist investor Bill Ackman of Pershing Square Holdings, who has previously called out the role of Visa and Mastercard in enabling MindGeek’s ability to make money from child pornography, posted a thread on Twitter about the ruling in the case.
“Visa’s conduct here is inexcusable, likely to cause the company incalculable financial and reputational damage” as well as “create serious… personal liability and potential criminal liability for the board,” Ackman wrote in part. According to Ackman, neither he nor Pershing Square have any economic interest, long or short, in Visa, Mastercard or any other payments company, bank or financial institution.
According to Ackman, after he read the Times’ story about Fleites and Pornub, he reached out to the CEOs of Visa and Mastercard to express concerns about their part in enabling MindGeek’s business. Shortly afterward, both companies cut off consumer payment processing to MindGeek’s sites; within “a day or so, MindGeek removed >10m illegal videos, 80% of its content,” the hedge fund manager said. However, they both soon reactivated business-to-business payments for the purchase of ads on MindGeek sites and for subscriptions to “premium” content, representing about 90% of the company’s revenue, per Ackman.
Ackman wrote that Visa CEO Alfred Kelly “should know that the majority of child trafficking victims are from lower-income families including Black and Brown families. I would recommend that Visa’s board, and separately Mr. Kelly, should hire independent white collar and criminal counsel.” He concluded the thread with, “Et tu, @Mastercard?”
Michael Bowe, partner at Brown Rudnick and lead attorney representing Fleites in the lawsuit, said in a statement, “The court’s holding that our detailed complaint adequately pleads Visa was engaged in a criminal conspiracy to monetize child porn means Visa and other credit card companies are finally going to face the civil and perhaps criminal consequences of this unconscionable and illegal activity.”
The case, Serena Fleites v. MindGeek S.A.R.L. et al., is Docket No. 2:21-cv-04920-CJC-ADS in the U.S. District Court for the Central District of California.
Fleites is one of 34 individual plaintiffs who last year sued Pornhub and MindGeek, alleging exploitation and monetization of child pornography, rape videos, trafficked content, stolen content and other nonconsensual content. The litigation is the first application to date of Racketeer Influenced and Corrupt Organizations (RICO), child pornography and trafficking laws seeking to hold financial institutions accountable for illegal conduct monetized by and through the systems of companies whose payments they process.
 
Was it really that easy to just find cp on pornhub? I thought most of the allegations against them were like rape/coercion
I know they have taken steps now, but they were alot like early you tube in terms of letting anything stay up until someone complained with very little proactive oversight. It's going to be a problem on any upload site, but all the worse for a porn site with no ethics.
 
I hate Visa as much as the next person with two brain cells to rub together, but I don't see how Visa should be responsible for the actions of people using their payment processor. Is the court saying Visa should be obligated to actively investigate anyone who uses them a as a payment processor?

Like, in the article it even mentions Visa stopped their services when they were alerted to the child porn problem on Pornhub. Is that not exactly what they should have done?
 
I hate Visa as much as the next person with two brain cells to rub together, but I don't see how Visa should be responsible for the actions of people using their payment processor. Is the court saying Visa should be obligated to actively investigate anyone who uses them a as a payment processor?

Like, in the article it even mentions Visa stopped their services when they were alerted to the child porn problem on Pornhub. Is that not exactly what they should have done?
Well, they're going to find out how culpable Visa actually is when they get to the trial proper.
 
So is this actual CP or the drawn cartoon Loli kind?

Personally I think it's stupid to arrest and prosecute someone over a God damn drawing but I can understand why some people would want it to be.

Also it's rather cathartic that PayPal won't let me buy tobacco products or ammunition but Visa will let me buy underage nude videos. Wonderful.

No. Because their internal search engine is shit.
Also you gotta be a goddamn moron to actually type something that specifically suggests that you want to see stuff like that.
 
Well, they're going to find out how culpable Visa actually is when they get to the trial proper.
True, but unless the courts are going to rule that Visa is obligated to police whoever uses them as a payment processor, what possible basis could exist for this lawsuit. As horrible as it is to say about a victim of sexual abuse, this really comes across as a grift.
 
Was it really that easy to just find cp on pornhub? I thought most of the allegations against them were like rape/coercion
Child Porn is perhaps too strong of a word for what was going on, using that term makes you think toddlers, in reality it was girls between the age of 14-18, from my memory both the girls, organizations and lawyers acting on behalf of such content would contact Mindgeek with takedown notices and Mindgeek would "investigate" and refuse to take down the material claiming it was safe content. Twitter also got in deep shit over such antics. Since they got reamed over this with a very dire court case Mindgeek effectively purged half their content library and only accept uploads of "verified" actors and actresses. A lot of this stuff was "revenge" porn of two teenagers going at it and during the breakup the boy would upload their antics.
 
True, but unless the courts are going to rule that Visa is obligated to police whoever uses them as a payment processor, what possible basis could exist for this lawsuit.
Makes me wonder if the argument could be made that, since they police whoever uses them as a payment processor for political reasons that it could be reasonably expected for them to provide the same due diligence with regards to criminal matters.
 
I hate Visa as much as the next person with two brain cells to rub together, but I don't see how Visa should be responsible for the actions of people using their payment processor. Is the court saying Visa should be obligated to actively investigate anyone who uses them a as a payment processor?

Like, in the article it even mentions Visa stopped their services when they were alerted to the child porn problem on Pornhub. Is that not exactly what they should have done?
Legally, if they had ended their services before PH had been found to be in the wrong, that could have opened them up to some sort of suit. Then again, these payment processors have routinely cut services to groups that have never been tied to illegal activity, but just do something unfashionable like say nigger nigger nigger. So, the case could be argued that, if they're going to police their clientele, then they should be responsible for failing to police their clientele, at least when it's as egregious as making money off of kiddy porn.

IOW, by doing shit like banning Null, they opened themselves up to these charges.
 
Was it really that easy to just find cp on pornhub? I thought most of the allegations against them were like rape/coercion
It’s likely easier than you would imagine, while still being pretty far from something you could just accidentally stumble across. Recommendation algorithms (not just on Pornhub but also sites like YouTube) are like mind-bogglingly gigantic trees: if you search certain terms you may get videos from adjacent “twigs” off your main branch, but you won’t even know that anything exists 4-5 branches away. 99% of their users searching basic bitch terms like anal, blowjob, big tits, etc. will NEVER find their way to these videos. Even on YouTube you can find a lot of non-TOS-friendly shit (e.g. death/gore/animal abuse/etc, borderline softcore porn like massage/waxing “instructional” videos with uncensored boobs/vag on full display) that stays under the radar because they’re tiny channels with views in the hundreds and thousands, who use search terms only used by those “in the know” to locate them and will never be stumbled upon by passing bystanders.

The sheer scale of the systems in play means that it’s only really possible to address on a case-by-case basis as reports come up, and even then unless it’s something super high profile it’s usually just not worth their time. They’d rather spend that effort policing political dissidents who get millions of views than cracking down on small webs of degenerates.

I’d also be willing to bet that the majority of the “CP” in question is actually videos of teenagers who are nonetheless under 18, whose videos cannot be easily visually ID’d as CP because it’s just a fact of life that people develop at different rates and a 14-15 year old hiding their face could plausibly pass as 18+ in a poor-quality amateur porn video. Given the prevalence of smartphones nowadays, if you’re watching anything that’s “amateur” or “anonymous” (AKA anything not from a known actress or studio) there’s a pretty good chance you’ve jacked it to an underage girl whose video was likely posted without her knowledge or consent without even knowing.
 
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