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Do you play visual Novels?

  • No, because that’s fucking gay

    Votes: 83 15.7%
  • Yes, because I read them for the plot

    Votes: 196 37.0%
  • No, because they’re not really video games

    Votes: 34 6.4%
  • Yes, because anime girls are better than real women

    Votes: 116 21.9%
  • No, but I think about playing them

    Votes: 68 12.8%
  • Yes, but I do it ironically

    Votes: 33 6.2%

  • Total voters
    530
Finally finished Chapter 4 - Part 2 of HBR. My biggest gripe with it is how much it wastes your time. Like it has funny writing and great character moments, but you have so much animations, walking around and cutscenes between them that it feels 10x times as long.
 
Just finished Episodes 6 and 7 of Umineko, here's more autistic thought dumps:

- Episode 6 is definitely what I would consider to be the worst-paced of all the Umineko episodes. The ending is fantastic but getting there took me a week of on-and-off reading because I'd only be able to stomach 1 or 2 chapters in a sitting (and some nights I didn't feel like loading it up at all).

- Episode 6's ending red statement made a lot of pieces fall into place. I had a lot of suspicions that Kanon and Shannon were both some kind of split manifestation of a single person and this part more or less confirmed it for me (obviously episode 7 spelled it out explicitly).

- Kinzo's backstory in Episode 7 immediately raised red flags for me. He was introduced as some ultra-doomer rich kid and yet he was also this super-cool dude who rizzed a white woman and got a bunch of gold? It didn't seem correct to me and I was glad that episode 7's tea party more or less confirmed that he was the one who plotted to steal the gold and probably also more or less kidnapped Beatrice and forced her to be his mistress (I wonder if Ryukishi07 is doing some kind of roundabout commentary on Japanese sex slavery during WW2)

- I'm glad that the 'apology' scene gets retroactively corrected in the tea party to reveal that Yasu didn't really forgive Kinzo or any of accomplices for what had happened to them (I'm still unclear on gender here but I'm starting to feel like Yasu might actually be a legit intersex person due to inbreeding and not a tranny). Maybe episode 8 will recontextualize things a little more but Kinzo and his confidants deserve to rot in hell for what they did and covered up.

- I'm starting to get the feeling that Battler is actually Kyrie's child and that the story about Kyrie's miscarriage is wrong - Asumu's child was stillborn, Kyrie had the viable child, some stuff happened behind the scenes so that Battler would be taken in by Rudolf and Asumu, and Kyrie has done BPD woman magic to rewrite that in her piece's telling of events.

- I had started out thinking that the child from 19 years ago possibly survived but I put it aside because I couldn't really fully understand why such a person would come back and involve themselves in Ushiromiya shit (or even be told in the first place about it). The piece I was missing was fucking Genji arranging things to cover Kinzo's tracks so Yasu would be sent through the Gospel House system and be more or less forced to live with the Ushiromiyas but not treated with any kind of respect. Man fuck Genji, fuck Nanjo, fuck Kumasawa, and especially fuck Kinzo. Even when they more or less had washed their hands of the mistress fallout they couldn't just leave things alone and had to ruin another person's life.
 
- I'm glad that the 'apology' scene gets retroactively corrected in the tea party to reveal that Yasu didn't really forgive Kinzo or any of accomplices for what had happened to them (I'm still unclear on gender here but I'm starting to feel like Yasu might actually be a legit intersex person due to inbreeding and not a tranny). Maybe episode 8 will recontextualize things a little more but Kinzo and his confidants deserve to rot in hell for what they did and covered up.
You'll get a direct answer to Battler's linage in episode 9. I really recommend you get to episode 8 ASAP. Ange is more important than any of this. You'll learn why. I also think it will change your perspective a bit on the blame game. Its a bit of distraction IMO. Also, there is some other stuff that's not in the visual novel, but was only in the manga. There's controversy if its canon, but its called "The Last Note Of The Golden Witch." Someone made a visual novel adaption of it too on Y.T. It should be the last thing you read. There's a bit of a meta-discussion on the nature of Umineko here.

Also, on your other point. There were multiple Beatrices. The first one he fell in love with because he was a suicidal young man running from his tyrannical family into WW2 hoping to die, and had a child with her that he also named Beatrice. He didn't care about the gold, status or the money (he ran away from that). He genuinely loved Beatrice - too much actually. Beatrice's coincidental appearance in his life gave him a reason to live.

Kinzo did incest with the child of the first Beatrice (Second Beatrice the hostage) to make Yasu (Third Beatrice). Kinzo is more or less just a very naive man who grieved his widowed wife to the point of an unhealthy obsession because she died so young. Again, this was the woman he owed his life to.

His actions aren't defensible, but he is a tragic character who's a bit of a product of his circumstances and time. Genji, Nanjo and Kawa were pretty nice to Yasu, and were just trying to make the best of a shitty situation since you can't really oppose your employer. Especially one connected to a powerful Zaibatsu family. Natsuhi was really heartless though. You just don't do that to a baby. But, women don't really have any say in Ushiromiya matters, and that did influence her decisions as it did Rosa and Eva. I think the one thing you should take from Umineko is how strongly feminist it is and that's not really a coindence since this was also the case in Higurashi considering Takano's back story.

Yasu was mentally 'ill (ofc who wouldn't be after what happened to 'em?), and the murderers are largely because Battler forgot his promise - which Yasu took too seriously even though he's a sardonic guy. And he didn't know anything about Yasu. A simple mistake leading to a butterfly effect all because he was just trying to be friends with a very lonely, abused person while being totally oblivious to no fault of his own. I think this should have been covered in EP7/ insinuated in EP4 but forgive me - I haven't read Umineko in years. I think I may have forgotten some stuff. There was a similar theme like this in Tsukihime and Higurashi if you're familiar with those works. But really, the whole situation is really just an avoidable, unnecessary tragedy. Its just sad

Okonogi is one of the more interesting characters, and I really think he flew under the radar, but had a lot to do with what happened from the other world perspective. However, this only becomes clear if you know anything about Higurashi. I haven't touched Cicionia (the sequel to Umineko) because its not finished yet, but I know he plays a role in it. You shoild recall his conversation with Ange in EP4. Its a very important piece of information that can change how you look at stuff in the entire novel itself.

"Without love, it can not be seen."
 
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Also, since I have to double post because my 60 minutes were up, and I was editing shit like crazy as I remembered stuff, the manga has a bit more character development/lore that the visual novel doesn't have if you're interested. But... considering how LONG Umineko is... you might want to take a break lol. The manga took nearly a decade to finish. It's long as fuck too.
 
Also, another important point is to realize how different the grand children are (George, Battler, Jessica, Maria, Angie) vs the children of Kinzo - their parents. They're very much the polar opposite. Not materialistic, not overly competitive, very open-minded, and have a solidarity of kinship their parents don't really have because they care more about the family hierarchy and the status of money. One of the other tragedies of Umineko is that Yasu's actions destroyed a timeline that could have at least created a chance of redemption for the sins of the Ushiromiya Family. There was a lot of potential there to fix the past. Sorry for the third post, but there is just so much one can say on Umineko because it covers a lot of interesting topics. Its a phenomenal visual novel.
 
Finished Urban Myth Dissolution Center and it's certifiably kino. You are playing a girl shanghaied into the organization that explores cases involving urban myths and justify what happens with logical realistic explanations (basically Scooby Doo). Gameplay is sort of like Phoenix Wright in being a lot of exploration over couple of days with segments of needing to give an interpretation of events. The writing and characters are fantastic, visuals are weird in having fantastic sprite work but meh look when exploring areas (though it helps having each scene be easy to read). Also absolutely phenomenal soundtrack. If there is a sequel I hope there will be more complicated cases and more variety in gameplay with fail conditions.

Also the idiots on Steam that called the ending lackluster needs to eat a dick. It has a perfect ending.
I absolutely love when games give you the one two punch of hyper focusing on an obvious twist to drop another on you. And in this case it makes a ton of early moments have way more context
 
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Finished Urban Myth Dissolution Center and it's certifiably kino. You are playing a girl shanghaied into the organization that explores cases involving urban myths and justify what happens with logical realistic explanations (basically Scooby Doo). Gameplay is sort of like Phoenix Wright in being a lot of exploration over couple of days with segments of needing to give an interpretation of events. The writing and characters are fantastic, visuals are weird in having fantastic sprite work but meh look when exploring areas (though it helps having each scene be easy to read). Also absolutely phenomenal soundtrack. If there is a sequel I hope there will be more complicated cases and more variety in gameplay with fail conditions.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=zUy6Q7f9zyg
Also the idiots on Steam that called the ending lackluster needs to eat a dick. It has a perfect ending.
I absolutely love when games give you the one two punch of hyper focusing on an obvious twist to drop another on you. And in this case it makes a ton of early moments have way more context
Is the translation decent? A lot of negative steam reviews seem to revolve around the translation.
 
Is the translation decent? A lot of negative steam reviews seem to revolve around the translation.
I didn't have a problem with it. There's a lot of internet slang but it's in modern day and online culture is a massive part of the plot so it's entirely justifiable. I don't recall not understanding the plot due to bad translation.

Modern slang use is an issue when it's in medieval fantasy land. Not current day Japan.
 
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"Please Beatrice... I won't accept it... no matter what... please don't say it..."
"*cackle*cackle*cackle*cackle*cackle*. I'm sorry, Battler-kun. You did really well this time. Even I was surprised by some of your moves. But this is where the game ends. The Holocaust never happened."
"Stop it already! Stop it already! Aaaaaaaaaaaaaggghhhhh!!"
"Kihihihihihhihihihihi, *giggle*giggle*giggle*giggle*giggle*. Ah ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha!"
 
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"Please Beatrice... I won't accept it... no matter what... please don't say it..."
"*cackle*cackle*cackle*cackle*cackle*. I'm sorry, Battler-kun. You did really well this time. Even I was surprised by some of your moves. But this is where the game ends. The Holocaust never happened."
"Stop it already! Stop it already! Aaaaaaaaaaaaaggghhhhh!!"
"Kihihihihihhihihihihi, *giggle*giggle*giggle*giggle*giggle*. Ah ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha!"
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Friend of mine suggested I play Saya no Uta as it’s “my kind of thing”.

I did. Now I need to punch my friend for implying that I’m into fucking kids.
Is... Is that what you got from Saya no Uta?
 
Doesn’t the old neighbour character sexually assault Saya, too?

Yeah, I’m gonna kick my friends head in.
calm the fuck down you nigger and understand the point of perspectives, yes it's fucking niggerlicious that from the pov of the mc he sees her as a child/teen getting dicked by some abomination, but did you forget the whole "mc eyes are so fucked up he sees everything but saya (which is an alien abomination that has devoured one of his friends) as a monster"?
 
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Finished Urban Myth Dissolution Center and it's certifiably kino. You are playing a girl shanghaied into the organization that explores cases involving urban myths and justify what happens with logical realistic explanations (basically Scooby Doo). Gameplay is sort of like Phoenix Wright in being a lot of exploration over couple of days with segments of needing to give an interpretation of events. The writing and characters are fantastic, visuals are weird in having fantastic sprite work but meh look when exploring areas (though it helps having each scene be easy to read). Also absolutely phenomenal soundtrack. If there is a sequel I hope there will be more complicated cases and more variety in gameplay with fail conditions.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=zUy6Q7f9zyg
Also the idiots on Steam that called the ending lackluster needs to eat a dick. It has a perfect ending.
I absolutely love when games give you the one two punch of hyper focusing on an obvious twist to drop another on you. And in this case it makes a ton of early moments have way more context
You had me at ace attorney clone



Out of curiosity, Did anybody else here try out gundog tales from sol besides me? I sang it's praises as a UC Gundam fan a while back.
 
yes it's fucking niggerlicious that from the pov of the mc he sees her as a child/teen getting dicked by some abomination

*niggerlicious*

Fuck me. You even edited that in lol

Granted I don’t have anything wrong with the main character killing off the neighbour for assaulting Saya. Regardless of if he appears in the monstrous amalgam form or not.

He did have first dibs on that 12 year old so he was only defending his territory.
 
Fuck me. You even edited that in lol
yes i needed to put more nigger in my message and i will put more nigger in this message as well

Granted I don’t have anything wrong with the main character killing off the neighbour for assaulting Saya. Regardless of if he appears in the monstrous amalgam form or not.

He did have first dibs on that 12 year old so he was only defending his territory.
nah she doesn't shapeshift, the mc and that neighbor just got fucked up eyes and brains (the mc became a willing cannibal at that point and the neighbor just instantly lost his mind coz he had his brain fucked with), in both cases they still fucked erstaz chutulu in her alien or whatever the fuck form and i do really hate that the concept of fucking erstaz chutulu in her alien or whatever the fuck form is present to begin with
 
I bought it but I'm waiting until the end of Lent to play games again. Is it worth the read?
I liked it a lot. If your a mecha fan or even just into sci Fi I think you'll have a good time. Only negative is its clearly leading up to more in the future. ( Slight cliffhanger)
 
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