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But Timber was actually relatively popular, IIRC. Hell, even Vivienne herself thought it was a good idea:
I guess the Call of the Fujo was just too strong for her. Shame.
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I guess the Call of the Fujo was just too strong for her. Shame.
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Oh yeah, that probably is the other reason; Zoophobia has shipping fuel while Timber doesn't.But Timber was actually relatively popular, IIRC. Hell, even Vivienne herself thought it was a good idea:
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I guess the Call of the Fujo was just too strong for her. Shame.
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Zoophobia was a mess and should have been forgotten. If anything it shows how creatively weak Viv can be when it comes to create something that is not hell, heaven or gay sex.
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aside from the mistreatment/sidelining of Cameron, that's the other thing that that pissed me off the most about ZP.
You have an entire WORLD of mythical creatures just begging to be explored.
Mermaids (which is especially galling because Cameron loves fish),
yokai,
fish people,
bird people.
Where do they live? How do they live? How do these distinct beings interact with each other? So many possibilities - and yet, what does Viv choose to focus on? Sparkledog Hell. Fuck me sideways.
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The worst thing an artist can do is pigeonhole themselves and never create something new. Life (and art) isn’t about stagnating but moving forward. You see it often enough with some artistic types, they’ll find success with a certain style or method. Then, due to the success, recognition, money, or any mix of factors, they’ll never take another creative risk again, forever playing it safe in territory already conquered or conceived.
I’m thinking that various power players who make decisions want more Vivz work, but she hasn’t created anything new, so is going with her Hazbin precursor story, Zoophobia. She’s starting out limiting herself, when offered the world. A new, original series, but she’s staying with her old stuff instead of taking any risks. It’s all probably already boring for her on some levels. Another furry teenager show, when she could be writing new works, or in her case, drawing them mostly.
It’d be cooler (for herself) to stop spending so much time on whatever bullshit her orbiters & entourage do, with all their rage-bait- victim-cycle drama that is always spewed by those people, and actually focus on her creativity & artistry. She would do well to create something new, if she has it in her. I’m sure she does, “crazy” seeming people often do, it’s a curse of having a mind that thinks up interesting stories. Use it for something cool or good at the least. All the drama surrounding her work, with crew, cast, audience, whether she calls them fans or haters, is really unimportant at the end of the day.
Don’t artists want to create? Whether they write, draw, make music, whatever? I say yes. If you ever find yourself surrounded by suits, clamoring for your goods, your creations, fucking go for it. Yes, that can mean trawling your teenage notebooks for old ideas, but, why not try moving forward? That’s just playing it safe, with a show practically identical to what she’s known for now. This gorl should know better by now, but if she don’t, hope she doesn’t forget that she was able to do something at least once. Or maybe she really doesn’t have anything else but sparkedoggie sex comedy demon gay buzzword social media mob correct opinions edgy fast food slop. I think she might have some better stories inside somewhere, it’s just too cruel a thing to do to yourself, purposefully taking on the role of a pigeonholed creative. Or an honest lack of ability, which despite jokes, I don’t think can be said of her.
I’m thinking that various power players who make decisions want more Vivz work, but she hasn’t created anything new, so is going with her Hazbin precursor story, Zoophobia. She’s starting out limiting herself, when offered the world. A new, original series, but she’s staying with her old stuff instead of taking any risks. It’s all probably already boring for her on some levels. Another furry teenager show, when she could be writing new works, or in her case, drawing them mostly.
It’d be cooler (for herself) to stop spending so much time on whatever bullshit her orbiters & entourage do, with all their rage-bait- victim-cycle drama that is always spewed by those people, and actually focus on her creativity & artistry. She would do well to create something new, if she has it in her. I’m sure she does, “crazy” seeming people often do, it’s a curse of having a mind that thinks up interesting stories. Use it for something cool or good at the least. All the drama surrounding her work, with crew, cast, audience, whether she calls them fans or haters, is really unimportant at the end of the day.
Don’t artists want to create? Whether they write, draw, make music, whatever? I say yes. If you ever find yourself surrounded by suits, clamoring for your goods, your creations, fucking go for it. Yes, that can mean trawling your teenage notebooks for old ideas, but, why not try moving forward? That’s just playing it safe, with a show practically identical to what she’s known for now. This gorl should know better by now, but if she don’t, hope she doesn’t forget that she was able to do something at least once. Or maybe she really doesn’t have anything else but sparkedoggie sex comedy demon gay buzzword social media mob correct opinions edgy fast food slop. I think she might have some better stories inside somewhere, it’s just too cruel a thing to do to yourself, purposefully taking on the role of a pigeonholed creative. Or an honest lack of ability, which despite jokes, I don’t think can be said of her.
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I don't think, I know. How do I know? The aforementioned Timber.
Timber is the outright best thing that Vivienne Medrano has ever made in her two-decade long career as an artist. The visuals are actually unique and lively, there's a clear, concise conflict, you get a sense of every character's personality, the music is really good at selling the story (composed by Gooseworx, funnily enough). And the most astonishing part about all of this? It is accomplished with ABSOLUTELY ZERO DIALOGUE. If Vivienne Medrano had gone down this path - making focused, concise short films - I honestly believe she'd be hailed as one of the GOATs.
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Whenever I think of Zoophobia, I tend to just think of the one comic where the edgeboi furry who’s literally the antichrist loses his shit at a Christian strawman.
Edit, it involved this guy. Apparently his name is Leeson.
Edit, it involved this guy. Apparently his name is Leeson.
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thereby proving the Christian strawman right, fucking kek. this leads right into the "FUCK YOU DADDY, I JUST WANNA BE WITH MY FWEEEEINDS ON THE SURFACE" speech by Damian, btw:
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Jesus Christ and I thought Hazbin was too red. I’ve seen the ref sheets for Damian and Zoophobia Alastor and they’re so damn hard to read without zooming in and getting my face real up close to my phone.
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I like how Dani loves to take the moral high ground anytime there's a controversy even though she has drawn rape and child porn in the past.
Sorry if I used the spoiler bar wrong. I'm new to Kiwi farms
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Absolutely delusional take right here
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Oh, it'll surpass them alright.
Surpass them in how much abysmal dogshit it'll be.
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Speaking of Zoophobia, another storytelling critique I've long wanted to get off my chest.
Let's ignore the fact that the character originally started out as a gay dude because you know why.
If a more competent writer were at the helm of Zoophobia, MacKenzie would've been the deuteragonist, easily. Because think about it: both her and Cameron have something in common - they both feel out of place in this strange fantastical world and both are outcasts for differing reasons (Cameron because she's zoophobic, MacKenzie because she's socially awkward). Plus humans are apparently looked down on in Safe Haven, so that's another point for their solidarity right there. Hell, maybe MacKenzie could be the one to show Cameron the world of Safe Haven and how it works, since she's been there longer than Cameron has. They even both look kind of similar:
maybe a plot point could be that Kenzie is actually a long-lost relative of Cameron's?
In fact, that's another interesting thing about Kenzie that hasn't been explored - she's apparently an orphan, right? Humans are also pretty rare, at least from my understanding - how did this kid's parents die? How did they get to Safe Haven in the first place? How old was she when they died (she's 17, and she's been with Margo, her adoptive cat mom, for at least a while, so she must've been pretty young)? Or was she simply abandoned as an infant/toddler?
And that's if we're going with the assumption that she's a 100% organic human. Why do I say organic? Well, this is where it gets into more speculative territory. What if the reason she's inexplicably proficient at so many things is because - she's a Xirxine experiment?
Quick sidebar for anyone wondering what the fuck that last sentence is on about: Xirxine was basically going to be, if not the big bad, at least an instrument of the big bad. An evil scientific laboratory gone mad. That's where Addison (the blonde green fox kid who's attracted to snakes) came from (although now I know that it was a thinly veiled excuse for Viv to draw torture porn of him because that got her off).
Anywho, again, let's assume that a normal human being is writing this story. MacKenzie could be one that's like 95% human, 5% cat (hence her affinity for cats)? Again, think about this - it could explain why the world hates MacKenzie so much - they look down on humans in general, but they can tell somehow that something's....off with her. That's why Addison dislikes her so much - he apparently has a lot of physical problems due to his being experimented on - maybe they refined their technique with her, and she's able to function perfectly fine unlike him? Thus, his freakout in the art room.
It wasn't so much touching him that set him off - it was this more physically attuned sibling of sorts trying to empathize with him after messing up his painting. "How DARE she when she keeps messing up my life like this?!" (She isn't but he thinks she is - a character flaw). And as an extra spicy meatball - what if HE knows she's an experiment, but SHE doesn't? That's a whole 'nother heap of dramatic irony right there! And when she does find out (preferably after a mutual character arc that sees both her and Cameron growing together)? Think of the dramatic possibilities and thought-provoking questions!
....."You've spent way too long thinking about this shit, haven't you Vyse?"
Edit to avoid doubleposting:
We've got another doubter in chat
The replies are about what you'd expect:
Let's ignore the fact that the character originally started out as a gay dude because you know why.
If a more competent writer were at the helm of Zoophobia, MacKenzie would've been the deuteragonist, easily. Because think about it: both her and Cameron have something in common - they both feel out of place in this strange fantastical world and both are outcasts for differing reasons (Cameron because she's zoophobic, MacKenzie because she's socially awkward). Plus humans are apparently looked down on in Safe Haven, so that's another point for their solidarity right there. Hell, maybe MacKenzie could be the one to show Cameron the world of Safe Haven and how it works, since she's been there longer than Cameron has. They even both look kind of similar:
maybe a plot point could be that Kenzie is actually a long-lost relative of Cameron's?
In fact, that's another interesting thing about Kenzie that hasn't been explored - she's apparently an orphan, right? Humans are also pretty rare, at least from my understanding - how did this kid's parents die? How did they get to Safe Haven in the first place? How old was she when they died (she's 17, and she's been with Margo, her adoptive cat mom, for at least a while, so she must've been pretty young)? Or was she simply abandoned as an infant/toddler?
And that's if we're going with the assumption that she's a 100% organic human. Why do I say organic? Well, this is where it gets into more speculative territory. What if the reason she's inexplicably proficient at so many things is because - she's a Xirxine experiment?
Quick sidebar for anyone wondering what the fuck that last sentence is on about: Xirxine was basically going to be, if not the big bad, at least an instrument of the big bad. An evil scientific laboratory gone mad. That's where Addison (the blonde green fox kid who's attracted to snakes) came from (although now I know that it was a thinly veiled excuse for Viv to draw torture porn of him because that got her off).
Anywho, again, let's assume that a normal human being is writing this story. MacKenzie could be one that's like 95% human, 5% cat (hence her affinity for cats)? Again, think about this - it could explain why the world hates MacKenzie so much - they look down on humans in general, but they can tell somehow that something's....off with her. That's why Addison dislikes her so much - he apparently has a lot of physical problems due to his being experimented on - maybe they refined their technique with her, and she's able to function perfectly fine unlike him? Thus, his freakout in the art room.
It wasn't so much touching him that set him off - it was this more physically attuned sibling of sorts trying to empathize with him after messing up his painting. "How DARE she when she keeps messing up my life like this?!" (She isn't but he thinks she is - a character flaw). And as an extra spicy meatball - what if HE knows she's an experiment, but SHE doesn't? That's a whole 'nother heap of dramatic irony right there! And when she does find out (preferably after a mutual character arc that sees both her and Cameron growing together)? Think of the dramatic possibilities and thought-provoking questions!
Edit to avoid doubleposting:
We've got another doubter in chat
The replies are about what you'd expect:
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Dimentio acolyte
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I just wanted to make sure everyone else saw this lovely... item on the agenda, i guess. Getting very tired of having to explain a decade's worth of loathing for this woman and this guy is speedrunning my job!
I just wanted to make sure everyone else saw this lovely... item on the agenda, i guess. Getting very tired of having to explain a decade's worth of loathing for this woman and this guy is speedrunning my job!
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Please please PLEASE let the Puritanical Bluesky Klan get a hold of this. I wanna see another fandom implode on itself after The Amazing Digital Circus.
In other news, Cameron is confirmed for the ZP miniseries.
"OK, so you're not cutting me out. Will you actually keep me as the main focus this time?"
"LOL no. You'll be trotted out just long enough for the normies to, like, get hooked in, then you'll be put back in Irrelevant Woman Jail so we can get to, like, the good part."
"......which is....?"
Gayyyy boiiiiis! .....
"Vivienne, look. It'd be excusable if this was your first time as a professional storyteller, but this is the third time you've done this. Technically the fourth if we count the original comic."
"People aren't stupid, as much as you'd like them to be. They're realizing that this is all you care to do as a storyteller, and they're getting pretty tired of it."
"To be frank, I don't blame them one bit. If this is really what you want to do with Zoophobia, count me out."
......"I clearly made a mistake giving you intelligence as like, one of your core personality traits. Oh well. Nothing a rewrite can't fix."
"Say, Carrie's like, looking a little lonely over there. She could use a personality-devoid lesbian partner....."
"DAMN YOU VIVIENNE MEDRANO! DAMN YOU TO ACTUAL HELLLLLLl"
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Just wanted to let everyone know that there is a Zoophobia thread in multimedia.
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Thank you for pushing the likelihood that the supposed heterosexual characters in the Hellaverse are not
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Oh, so these people do remember what happened in Murder Family and Mission Zero; they just choose to ignore the more rapey elements of those scenes. I guess just because Blitzø was okay with having sex the first time with Stolas, that just means he should be willing to have sex with Stolas any other time.