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Typical Tranch Crusade enjoyer.

This pudgy neckbearded they/them spends almost an hour trying to sell it to me, but it sounds shit, not going to lie. The world is boring and any time it isn't completely boring, it just sounds like 'the 40k we have at home', but with even more overt, obvious Catholic imagery, because edge and muh atheism.
I have come to the conclusion that this man is the tabletop equivalent of Gator but somehow even more unsettling to look at.
 
https://youtube.com/watch?v=Ps0gXWX3d9w
Typical Tranch Crusade enjoyer.

This pudgy neckbearded they/them spends almost an hour trying to sell it to me, but it sounds shit, not going to lie. The world is boring and any time it isn't completely boring, it just sounds like 'the 40k we have at home', but with even more overt, obvious Catholic imagery, because edge and muh atheism.
First 5 seconds and I get this
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Behold, the nega-endorsement, which kills any desire to humor anything the moment you see this raging furry faggot on screen.

Because if you've played a 2d6 system, once bonuses and debuffs start getting thrown around, you can end up in a situation where it's not just incredibly low odds to do something, it becomes mathematically impossible so you might as well not even bother(warmahordes had this issue, 2d6+stat to hit a defensive target number, which a low accuracy army vs a fast army like khador vs circle, you might as well not fucking bother making attacks).
I did enjoy the warmachine system, but you are absolutely right that any sort of buff has tremendous impact on the success/failure due to how shackled most of the throws are to the 2d6 curve. Deadeye was a top tier spell for ages in Cygnar for a reason. But the other big problem the xd6 system plus stat has is that you can suddenly only throw dice per individual model and it's one of the things that really slowed down Warmachine when more and more infantry made it into the armies. Basically, they have to have a very clear idea of what scale they want to operate on and how long they intend a game to last.
 
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https://youtube.com/watch?v=Ps0gXWX3d9w
Typical Tranch Crusade enjoyer.

This pudgy neckbearded they/them spends almost an hour trying to sell it to me, but it sounds shit, not going to lie. The world is boring and any time it isn't completely boring, it just sounds like 'the 40k we have at home', but with even more overt, obvious Catholic imagery, because edge and muh atheism.
that guy fucks dogs, guaranteed.
 
I did enjoy the warmachine system, but you are absolutely right that any sort of buff has tremendous impact on the success/failure due to how shackled most of the throws are to the 2d6 curve. Deadeye was a top tier spell for ages in Cygnar for a reason. But the other big problem the xd6 system plus stat has is that you can suddenly only throw dice per individual model and it's one of the things that really slowed down Warmachine when more and more infantry made it into the armies. Basically, they have to have a very clear idea of what scale they want to operate on and how long they intend a game to last.
Sure, but at the 8-15 models per side, and assuming that every model doesn't need to fire 6 shots, charge into melee and then make another 5 attacks, slow rolling likely isn't going to be that much of an issue as far as time occupied, especially compared to some of the horde like armies that warmahordes turned into in late 2nd and 3rd. But yes, it does mean that this is the scale of the system, and trying to scale it up would be an exercise in futility if it ever gains enough traction and people want to play larger battles in the setting.

There is an issue that comes to mind with this though, specifically because of warmahordes. If they continue adding things to the game that can eventually reliably break out onto the wrong side of the bell curve due to locking themselves into that as a design space, it'll break the game in a bad way.
 
I have a bit of a strange question for the thread. What are your favourite factions, lore, models, etc. and how does your opinion compare with the opinions online? What popular reddit opinions do you disagree with?
As far as the lore goes, it's too much of the same shit, imo. But so far, I've only read the Ravenwing novels and around an third of "Devastation of Baal." The Siege of Vraks felt like an promotional piece for the average war in the setting. Most of the major factions are kind of interesting, it's just that they'll eventually get shunted to the side to make room for the next big thing (like getting eating by Nids or something) and people are content with it.

As far as the community goes, I really don't care about them.
 
Id normally like to see something new but Trench Crusade is just gay as fuck. the strangest comparison id make is like Madoka Magica influencing a bunch of more darker magical girl anime but a lot of those anime really lacked the style or substance that made madoka good. Trench Crusade just covers everything in shit, says this faction is bad becasue they just are okay? learn media literacy chuds and then started to have its early fans go across every surviving table top forum to shill it. Seriously, a remnant of 8chan has a Trench Crusade Thread, and I am very certain 4/tg/ has either a really diehard fanboy or someone directly part of inq28 silencing anything bad about it.

Id say support Infinity N5 more over Tryhard Crusade if you wanna stick it to GW maybe even Bolt Actions newest edition
 
Trench Crusade fails at doing "both sides le bad" because besides the one thing of Meta-christs pretty much being uber heresy is that the other Christian Faction in lore "New Antioch" is pretty normal and easy to root for and the Heretics are cartoonishly evil. 40k partially fails at this because there are still oodles of perfectly good and honorable people within the Imperium every fag has a conniption over everytime they see someone call it based.

From the brief snippets they tell of New Antioch you can tell they have a very dogmatized life and shit like factory overwork but on the flipside you have a safe bastion for christian refugees where you avoid the kooky heretic shit of people killing you but making you still feel everything, pounds of human flesh being sold like kebabs at the gates of hell and other things.
You even have the Pilgrims as a contrast for the uber dogmatized groups of zealots but you can also have Hans and Francois being honest men trying to hold the line against literal hell beasts with nothing but a Mauser and a shovel.

Once again faggots trying to use people parroting "for le emprah" or "for jesus" as meanie facists fail to notice that due to how they're written they're almost always the lighter shade of grey in a purposefully grimdark world that isnt always equivalent to IRL due to its extreme factors like literal demons scurrying about

The muslim faction is pretty lowkey and uses mainly arab mysticism as a basis for their designs more than Islam itself, with the only real grimdark is that sometimes their magic alchemy homunculi are sentient and desire death, but other than that their nations are big chungus honorable and efficient at demon murder and shit.
I bet you they wouldnt roll their eyes and purge people if they shouted "For Allah" as a meme too
 
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He looks like Bennet the Sage, if he suddenly decided to cosplay as a beatnik.
Holy shit! Thought the same thing after looking at it again. Haven't seen him in ages, dropped him when he started sperging about feminism in a fucking JoJo video.
The muslim faction is pretty lowkey and uses mainly arab mysticism as a basis for their designs more than Islam itself, with the only real grimdark is that sometimes their magic alchemy homunculi are sentient and desire death, but other than that their nations are big chungus honorable and efficient at demon murder and shit.
Of course the sandnigger faction would be mostly sensible...
 
The muslim faction is pretty lowkey and uses mainly arab mysticism as a basis for their designs more than Islam itself, with the only real grimdark is that sometimes their magic alchemy homunculi are sentient and desire death, but other than that their nations are big chungus honorable and efficient at demon murder and shit.
I bet you they wouldnt roll their eyes and purge people if they shouted "For Allah" as a meme too
It's like Cathay in Total War. Real Chinese history is more grimdark.
 
Interesting that even in this supposedly grimdark, grimy, no hope, 'war is hell and all the devils are here' world, designed to highlight the heinous things men do in the name of their gods, where every faction is evil, the Islamic faction are STILL treated with kid gloves.

And by 'interesting' I mean 'nauseatingly unsurprising'.
 
Of course the sandnigger faction would be mostly sensible...
Its half and half, the non pilgrim christians can seemingly be pretty honorable, while to me it seems like they just used Allah while not really adhering to any actual islamic dogma beyond wacky alchemy and the Jannisaries (who are handwaved as children of Heretic dominated lands instead of Europeans)
 
Shades of grey really only works without any supernatural elements involved, i.e. ww1 or similar where it's just some countries at war with each other, with all the filler/war crimes/depression that may entail for the sake of the plot. And if it does involve supernatural then it should be more akin to paganism with a pantheon of squabbling gods where it's not as cut and dry as say Christianity. Too bad something tells me impartiality wasn't something the Tranch Crusade had in mind.
 
I think shades of grey works with supernatural elements, but the super natural would have to be neutral. The squabbling Gods work, or you have a God that doesn't care/interfere, or just remove any higher intelligence from the supernatural. Your alternate dimension could be sort of like what the 40k warp was. It was just an alternate plan doing its own thing that sometimes overlaps our own in weird ways.

What really makes shades of grey work is a necessary evil. It works when a faction isn't trying to be Grimderp, but if your only options are human suffering or literal hell then I guess we all eat shit until demons stop pouring into the world. A lot of fiction, even 40k, is guilty of not properly showing why such an evil is necessary. If your society is enslaved and starving because rich nobels are opportunists and no one is stopping them that's Grimderp. If your society is enslaved and starving because there is only enough food for the soldiers to eat, and the soldiers are the only thing stopping demons from wearing your face as a mask, that's more shades of grey.
 
https://youtube.com/watch?v=Ps0gXWX3d9w
Typical Tranch Crusade enjoyer.

This pudgy neckbearded they/them spends almost an hour trying to sell it to me, but it sounds shit, not going to lie. The world is boring and any time it isn't completely boring, it just sounds like 'the 40k we have at home', but with even more overt, obvious Catholic imagery, because edge and muh atheism.
It's a fucking art project with some rules tacked on. You can see millions of similar art on ArtStation just like this Trench Crusade shit. These fucking losers will consoom anything
 
It's a fucking art project with some rules tacked on. You can see millions of similar art on ArtStation just like this Trench Crusade shit. These fucking losers will consoom anything

It's not even a particularly unique or interesting art project. From what I can see, it's Dark Souls in World War I with some crusade stuff thrown in.

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What the fuck is that? Also, I just noticed he's got the same random smattering of 40k shit sitting on the shelf collecting dust in the same position(most notably the necron skorpekhs and the 2 vexillas with the custodes in relation to the spears in the air make it obvious
The average Imperial Highborn who's uncool enough to fall to Nurgle instead of Slaanesh. Like Jim Stirling.
I did enjoy the warmachine system, but you are absolutely right that any sort of buff has tremendous impact on the success/failure due to how shackled most of the throws are to the 2d6 curve. Deadeye was a top tier spell for ages in Cygnar for a reason. But the other big problem the xd6 system plus stat has is that you can suddenly only throw dice per individual model and it's one of the things that really slowed down Warmachine when more and more infantry made it into the armies. Basically, they have to have a very clear idea of what scale they want to operate on and how long they intend a game to last.
2d6 also doesn't allow wild rolls and comebacks, which is good from the simulationist perspective (in absence of modifiers, results are more consistent) but not as a gamer (wild swings and comebacks are fun).
 
It's like Cathay in Total War. Real Chinese history is more grimdark.
I've never read anything where the Imperium forces people into cannibalism for a greater strategic victory. "Up to 50,000 civilians eaten" Corpse starch doesn't count.
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