Warhammer 40k

[Dollar Store Crack Whore]

So fo the Crusade game, I'm gonna try and use the Taktikal brigade, since we're starting at 1k . So decided to try and bring Big Mek with Shokk Attack gun, Warboss in MegaArmour, Trukk, Kommandos, Tank Bustas, Lootas, 15 Boyz, Weirdboi, Painboi and 5 Nobz. Gonna be interesting to see how this list gonna play.

You should try out the Mek Kaptin enhancement on the SAG Mek and a 10-man brick of Flash Gitz. It is a SUPREME amount of dakka, and with free hit rerolls and sustained it becomes a nasty overwatch threat. Just sit em in back and shit out a billion damage to all of your enemy's big fuckers with the SAG, then rip up anything that gets close with sheer volume.

 

[The tired cat]

You should try out the Mek Kaptin enhancement on the SAG Mek and a 10-man brick of Flash Gitz. It is a SUPREME amount of dakka, and with free hit rerolls and sustained it becomes a nasty overwatch threat. Just sit em in back and shit out a billion damage to all of your enemy's big fuckers with the SAG, then rip up anything that gets close with sheer volume.

I do wanna try that, but dont have anh Flash Gitz at the moment, both official and 3rd party ones arent cheap sadly.

 

[Dollar Store Crack Whore]

I do wanna try that, but dont have anh Flash Gitz at the moment, both official and 3rd party ones arent cheap sadly.

If there's anyone in your group that 3d prints, you can find meganobz files real cheap and proxy them. That's what I did when I was first wanting to try it out.

 

[The tired cat]

If there's anyone in your group that 3d prints, you can find meganobz files real cheap and proxy them. That's what I did when I was first wanting to try it out.

The game store we play at has a 3D printer, but you need to be a club member for that. I would take that option, but I only go there fo Crusades or occassional local tourneys. So, not really worth getting a membership sadly.

 

[Muad'Dick]

I still don't buy this for even a second.

I said they were trying. I didn't say they were succeeding. It took 40K long enough to really explode competitively, and the competitive focus only really started in earnest with 8th.

The stripping of gear/unit choices is a massive red flag for me. Especially when you're gutting what gives your legion it's flavour. Thats before you even start on the bizarre decisions they're making with individual units (loltartaruslol).

We'll just have to see what the legacy PDF drop massacre brings.

 

[p1138]

I said they were trying. I didn't say they were succeeding.

They're trying to make the game competitive by having games take 4-6 hours and being basically unplayable in under 3? How is making the game more complicated, so it takes even longer... even "trying" to make it "competitive"?

It took 40K long enough to really explode competitively, and the competitive focus only really started in earnest with 8th.

And even before 8th, you could still play a game in 3 hours.

The stripping of gear/unit choices is a massive red flag for me. Especially when you're gutting what gives your legion it's flavour. Thats before you even start on the bizarre decisions they're making with individual units (loltartaruslol).

That is shitty, I don't believe it has anything to do with trying to make the game competitive. It has everything to do with trying to get people to buy more models, upgrade sprues, etc. to replace older models(and sell more).

GW doesn't want people using 30k models in 40k(40k admech players still on suicide watch because of this), and they don't want 40k models used in 30k, including older 40k models at this point probably because some executive has it in their head that they don't want to be selling rules for a game they aren't selling models for. Yeah, it's shitty but that's far more likely what's going on. They simply don't want people using their old forgeworld shit, old 40k first born stuff that's long been sent to legends, and so on.

They want to milk that disposable income one game a month(or less) 30-50 year old male(and likely parent with fulltime job and little spare time) demographic for all it's worth.

 

[Muad'Dick]

They're trying to make the game competitive by having games take 4-6 hours and being basically unplayable in under 3?

I think you could easily get a game in under 3 hours now. Especially now that you're playing a 4 round game. Having watched a couple of battle reports, a lot of the seemingly convoluted shit (like charging) didn't seem too bad, but things that people weren't paying much attention to (like the cover rules) hamstrung things. Gutting weapon profiles has sped up the game immensely too.

That is shitty, I don't believe it has anything to do with trying to make the game competitive. It has everything to do with trying to get people to buy more models, upgrades sprues, etc. to replace older models(and sell more).

When I see the Liber leaks I just get visions of 40K codexes. When was the last time you saw anything added besides stats/rules for new models that released recently? You can argue whether GW are capable of doing it or not (I'd say they can't, they're not a rules company), but on paper at least; less choice should mean easier balancing, which means a better competitive experience.

You're not wrong when it comes to the models themselves. Theres an obvious push to move people away from the traditional FW resin kits and onto new plastic. Its going to be an arduous process though. There are some anomalies like Chaplains appearing like they've been completely stripped of gear choices, and Gorgon terminators not being able to carry bolters. The fuck up with Tartarus terminators seems to indicate a refresh at some point down the line, but again, until those Legacy PDFs drop its all a gamble as to which units you're going to end up mothballing entirely.

 

[An Old Salt]

Some good painters in the thread, appreciate everyone putting their work out there! Here's a few things I was able to wrap up in the last week or so. I'm particularly happy with the chaos lord on foot as it was my first attempt at osl. That being said if anybody has any tips on how to make the effect more convincing id appreciate any advice.



Stumbled into a neat effect while working on my eldar a while ago, and put it to use on drazhar; you can thin down a color-shift paint like turbo dork and coat it over your shading for an ethereal metallic. Still no idea how to paint gems though lol



Lastly is my Azrael; dude has won me enough games to finally get painted. Happy for the most part but I def fucked up his eyes, and the sword feels a bit underwhelming.

So what has everyone else been painting?

 

[p1138]

I think you could easily get a game in under 3 hours now. Especially now that you're playing a 4 round game. Having watched a couple of battle reports, a lot of the seemingly convoluted shit (like charging) didn't seem too bad, but things that people weren't paying much attention to (like the cover rules) hamstrung things. Gutting weapon profiles has sped up the game immensely too.

That's an edited battle report that still takes 90 minutes

Sure they do it in 3 hours without cut that I've noticed, but look how low their model counts actually are with the entire bottom half of round 4 just being the IW player tallying up score. 1/3 of the sons of horus list is just vehicles, but we know full well every game isn't going to be like that. Heck, even most of the models were barely out of their deployment zones in turn 3. I can see what you're saying if those are the same batreps you saw, and SN battle reports hasn't been full of shit in the past(but like I said, it's still edited down) but that 2nd game is... weird.

When I see the Liber leaks I just get visions of 40K codexes. When was the last time you saw anything added besides stats/rules for new models that released recently? You can argue whether GW are capable of doing it or not (I'd say they can't, they're not a rules company), but on paper at least; less choice should mean easier balancing, which means a better competitive experience.

If it were simply a matter of less choice being the balance consideration, HH 2.0 should have been a perfectly balanced game(wasn't by any measure I've ever heard). Considering most of the armies in the game are xerox copies of eachother(due to being space marines afterall) I don't see removing loadout options actually amounting to much in terms of balance since the game still seems to be on the lower end of lethality anyway.

You're not wrong when it comes to the models themselves. Theres an obvious push to move people away from the traditional FW resin kits and onto new plastic. Its going to be an arduous process though. There are some anomalies like Chaplains appearing like they've been completely stripped of gear choices, and Gorgon terminators not being able to carry bolters. The fuck up with Tartarus terminators seems to indicate a refresh at some point down the line, but again, until those Legacy PDFs drop its all a gamble as to which units you're going to end up mothballing entirely.

We'll have to see once the entire thing is actually available, rather than just some curated batreps doing promo work for GW and wanting to retain their "business partnership" to keep getting freebies for the stuff that actually matters(40k and to a lesser extent aos) on their channels. But as I've said, I'm not invested in it personally, and everything I've seen just screams the opposite to me in terms of game length, competitiveness, and so on. I'm not entirely sure they care either about getting FW resin off the table either, except for the fact that it's what the bulk of the older HH armies were, that weren't players using older 40k minis for it and they just want people buying new shit.

 

[AncientPhosphur]

It's typical of all of their major releases. It's also why they're building a new factory. At any given time, half their shit is out of stock.

They need to open up a factory in the US. I’m not seeing how being UK based gives them that much advantage in terms of things. Although knowing the US player base I feel like that’ll hasten the “wokeness” of things if they branch out. I just want cheaper plastic crack.

You know what a Night Lord hates more than the Imperium? Other Night Lords

True. Even Konrad Curze understood this. He was manic about cutting out the poison in his legion so that it wouldn’t spread. I do enjoy Talos being so simple and pure in his embrace of Night Lords ideology and methods. It was fun to see Night Lords who took on the mantle of leadership getting so exposed as incompetent whenever facing a real challenge instead of sticking to the old ways. I do hope Sevatar returns in the 40K setting just to set the rest of the legion straight.

 

[p1138]

They need to open up a factory in the US. I’m not seeing how being UK based gives them that much advantage in terms of things. Although knowing the US player base I feel like that’ll hasten the “wokeness” of things if they branch out. I just want cheaper plastic crack.

It'd probably cost them more than just expanding the UK factory, and they probably don't want the retards more involved than they already are either(except as customers because money is money). If you want cheaper... recasters. It's not like I bought that warhound I'm working on from GW.

 

[Humble Architect]

True. Even Konrad Curze understood this. He was manic about cutting out the poison in his legion so that it wouldn’t spread. I do enjoy Talos being so simple and pure in his embrace of Night Lords ideology and methods. It was fun to see Night Lords who took on the mantle of leadership getting so exposed as incompetent whenever facing a real challenge instead of sticking to the old ways. I do hope Sevatar returns in the 40K setting just to set the rest of the legion straight.

You want Sevatar back? I’d only accept this if he came back with the Painted Count as a rival and it was a “War of the Eighth” event with NLs fighting each other.

I too want my HH Legion master back, my boy Eidolon is sorely needed in 40k.

 

[AncientPhosphur]

You want Sevatar back? I’d only accept this if he came back with the Painted Count as a rival and it was a “War of the Eighth” event with NLs fighting each other.

I too want my HH Legion master back, my boy Eidolon is sorely needed in 40k.

He does still control the Atramentar he can use for legitimacy to unite the warbands and I’m sure Decimus will be more than happy to join after purging the Eldar considering he takes after Talos.

The one thing that’ll ditch my current boycott and full scale soyboy an entire army of Night Lords would be them doing an Eldar vs Night Lords box set (with Night Lords as more than black legion sprue upgrade sets) with the prophecy of a craftworlds destruction that could also tie in a lot of current lore stuff…

…but it’s GW. They’ve been sitting on their ass with Guilliman and now the Lion how long?

 

[Muad'Dick]

Stumbled into a neat effect while working on my eldar a while ago, and put it to use on drazhar; you can thin down a color-shift paint like turbo dork and coat it over your shading for an ethereal metallic. Still no idea how to paint gems though lol

If you want to fuck around with colour-shift paints and get decent results, just reverse your colour values. For example, if you were doing a zenithal prime on a mini, go from light to dark; grey/white gloss primer, then a good deep dark grey and then a black as your final highlight. Don't forget your varnish too. Put a final coat of gloss varnish on your primed model, then a layer of gloss varnish between coats of colour-shift. If you don't blast the colour-shift on like you're trying to shotblast the model you'll end up with a very pronounced shifting effect with some highlighting built in. I did it with some Thousands Sons for a guy a couple of years ago with a blue>yellow shift, and that contrasted with the gold trim turned out a hell of a lot better than I expected.

For gems, all I do now is just use something like Molotow chrome and inks. Paint your gems in the chrome and layer the inks up to get the correct highlight, then stick a little dot of chrome on there as a finishing touch.

Love the Azrael mate. I wouldn't sweat it over the sword. I don't like it when power weapons become the focal point of the model. They're such boring surfaces for the most part. If they're conveying the effect you want then you've done your job. I love that warm gold you've got going on with the details. It looks great contrasting the wings on his head piece.

 

[An Old Salt]

If you want to fuck around with colour-shift paints and get decent results, just reverse your colour values. For example, if you were doing a zenithal prime on a mini, go from light to dark; grey/white gloss primer, then a good deep dark grey and then a black as your final highlight. Don't forget your varnish too. Put a final coat of gloss varnish on your primed model, then a layer of gloss varnish between coats of colour-shift. If you don't blast the colour-shift on like you're trying to shotblast the model you'll end up with a very pronounced shifting effect with some highlighting built in. I did it with some Thousands Sons for a guy a couple of years ago with a blue>yellow shift, and that contrasted with the gold trim turned out a hell of a lot better than I expected.

For gems, all I do now is just use something like Molotow chrome and inks. Paint your gems in the chrome and layer the inks up to get the correct highlight, then stick a little dot of chrome on there as a finishing touch.

Love the Azrael mate. I wouldn't sweat it over the sword. I don't like it when power weapons become the focal point of the model. They're such boring surfaces for the most part. If they're conveying the effect you want then you've done your job. I love that warm gold you've got going on with the details. It looks great contrasting the wings on his head piece.

Thank for the kind words and suggestion with the gloss varnish; makes so much sense to even out the finish and I never would have thought about that in a million years. Think I have some chrome paint and will try out your suggestion on the gems. Also, that warm gold is just Balthazar gold highlighted with screaming bell copper, warms it up quite a bit

 

[Snekposter]

The dumbest thing in it was seeing Fist scout's go into battle with just bolt pistols and swords. Im so used to seeing Scouts with sniper rifles it sounds retarded.

Here's the Scout Marine entry in the 4th edition codex where you can see that the BP/CCW loadout is standard, with bolters and shotguns being free alternatives and sniper rifles as a special option. And since they're considered light infantry by Astartes standards they're frequently expected to operate in tight quarters where a full Marine, especially in power armor, probably won't fit or will otherwise find his combat effectiveness hampered due to his size relative to his surroundings. The Salamanders trilogy has a flashback scene by Chaplain Elysius to his time as a Scout where they were playing cat-and-mouse in the sewers with a few Genestealers so they could tag one with a tracking round and find its nest for the full battle-brothers to then cleanse and purge. Not the sort of job you can send Tacticals on and get good results given how big and noisy they are, on top of being unable to go down narrow passageways.

So, bolt pistol and CCW for light, speedy, and quiet movement, especially over broken terrain, and there's a lot of things that even a Scout can handle in close combat, especially if they've managed to get the drop on them.

 

[Michael Wade]

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Here's the Scout Marine entry in the 4th edition codex where you can see that the BP/CCW loadout is standard, with bolters and shotguns being free alternatives and sniper rifles as a special option. And since they're considered light infantry by Astartes standards they're frequently expected to operate in tight quarters where a full Marine, especially in power armor, probably won't fit or will otherwise find his combat effectiveness hampered due to his size relative to his surroundings. The Salamanders trilogy has a flashback scene by Chaplain Elysius to his time as a Scout where they were playing cat-and-mouse in the sewers with a few Genestealers so they could tag one with a tracking round and find its nest for the full battle-brothers to then cleanse and purge. Not the sort of job you can send Tacticals on and get good results given how big and noisy they are, on top of being unable to go down narrow passageways.

So, bolt pistol and CCW for light, speedy, and quiet movement, especially over broken terrain, and there's a lot of things that even a Scout can handle in close combat, especially if they've managed to get the drop on them.

Is there a lore reason they don't get face protection? Gene seed apparently can't be harvested from a dead scout.

 

[Snekposter]

Is there a lore reason they don't get face protection?

https://1d6chan.miraheze.org/wiki/Hats

Also, notice that helmets are not a form of hat, in fact, they are quite the opposite. While a Hat makes you more important, a helmet makes you less important. This can be simply seen in the armies of the Imperium, and indeed, of the forces of Chaos and the various Xenos as well, regular troops in squads have helmets while the squad's commander only goes out with either optics, comm equipment, hat, or Astartes-pattern Bahldness to signify their rank or duty, but never a brain cage. The only exception is that they need it in extremely hazardous environments. This shows a clear social hierarchy in head and shoulderwear:
Helmet < No helmet < Hat < Pauldron + Helmet < Just Pauldron < Pauldron + Hat

It is the sign of sheer manliness to walk out in the battlefield with just a piece of cloth material on your head. Fortunately Slaanesh, who in its spare time is the deity of fashion and looking good, smiles on those who dress well on the battlefield and therefore gives an automatic plot armour save to those with hats, meaning all the goons will have to go down first before the bullets and blades start coming in your direction.

TL;DR: The Scouts need to impress their Sergeants with how tough and manly they are in battle, the Chapter's future be damned.

Coincidentally that flashback scene had the Chaplain fuck up when the genestealer arrived and so another Scout took some bio-plasma to the face after shoving the would-be Chaplain out of the way. That guy wound up with half his face replaced with fucked-up bionics and eventually sent to Mars, and the Chaplain wore a helmet the whole time afterwards, not letting anyone see how magnificent, handsome, and unmarred his own face was out of shame, leading to many in the Chapter to speculate endlessly on how fucked up his face must have been from combat if he needed to hide it so.

Naturally rather than keep his helmet on after being outed as a sign of his loyalty and devotion to the ideals of the Chaplaincy, he decided to go helmetless into combat so all the foes around him could see his hatred for them. Which fucking sucks considering he had done some badass shit thanks to being helmeted like come out on top after headbutting an Ork warboss.

 

[Rick The Stick]

Is there a lore reason they don't get face protection? Gene seed apparently can't be harvested from a dead scout.

No sense in wasting good gear on neophytes/scouts. You'll get the rest of your armor after you've proven yourself and become a full marine.

 

[EscapeVorkuta]

Really enjoying The Mastercrafted Edition of Space Marine. Love the Exterminatus mode.