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The rules look wierd but the terminators at least look great, just bigger. I am glad they didn't get replaced by gravy armor.
 
Male Idiot said:
The rules look wierd but the terminators at least look great, just bigger. I am glad they didn't get replaced by gravy armor.
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Thats one thing I'm glad they are doing. Terminators are supposed to be xbox huge imposing characters but when they released the redesign space marines they all look like weak midgets.
 
Meat Target said:
Are the pre-Heresy Emperor's Children supposed to be Romeaboos? I'm reading Fulgrim right now and get that impression. They wear purple and gold, they're into art and high culture, and they have names like Julius, Gaius, Demeter, and Marius.
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Well Fulgrim is also called Phoenician.
Phoenicians were merchants from modern day Syria and Lebanon. They created massive trade Empire in ancient mediteran sea. Phoenician cities were wealthy so their citizens had money to spend on art.
They also manufactured Purple dye. Most expensive dye prior to 19th century. One of Phoenician colonies was city named Carthago.
You may have heard about it.
 
Schizobiker said:
i meant lore wise sorry
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There is a shit ton of lore to read through the horus hearesy books have like 93 books in the series. I would start with watching luetin09 lore videos they are long but he does cover the basics well so you understand the different terminology and get more context out of the books.

After that pick a series to read a lot of people recommend the eisenhorn series which is grimdark Sherlock Holmes but i would say pick a series based on whatever faction you find most interesting and start from there.
 
Nice to hear the datasheets will be free (as they always should've been). I have mixed feelings on the streamlining as a noob; I'll have to re-learn some things just as I'm figuring out 9e, but I appreciate any simplification that makes the rules less confusing.

Within my own circle, we already skip things we consider too complicated or extraneous, like the Morale Phase (which, for some factions, doesn't make sense lore-wise; Marines are bred to have no fear, Necrons are robots, Tyranids are hivemind bugs, and Orks think it's funny when their buddies get killed).
 
Schizobiker said:
i meant lore wise sorry
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Read horus rising
Or Google novels for factions you think look cool.

EverSneeding said:
Why did they give the lion shitmaris armor? At least guiliman didn't have shitmaris armor, I would rather have an armor of 1st born short kings then the uninspired shitmaris because atleast I don't have to buy a whole new box just to give my space marines plasma guns.
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Roboute is literally wearing primaris armor with a shitload of trim on it tho???
 
Alter Ego said:
Or if you're impatient, you can get painting supplies and a Combat Patrol box set for whatever faction you most fancy.
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I would recommend this or the Starter Kit. Biting the bullet and paying $150-$200 for a big kit is better value than buying a lot of smaller kits over time (which I've learned the hard way is addicting).

Buy once, cry once.

ETA: GW will probably also spur more model sales by no longer having the rules paywalled.
 
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Surprised they brought another primarch. Weird squaring him off against Angron, I don't remember the two interacting significantly. If anything he had more connection to Mortarion with all the retarded quests he did during the heresy, while Guilliman fought Angron.

Question if they'll have an Imperium civil war or not.
 
wtfNeedSignUp said:
Surprised they brought another primarch. Weird squaring him off against Angron, I don't remember the two interacting significantly. If anything he had more connection to Mortarion with all the retarded quests he did during the heresy, while Guilliman fought Angron.

Question if they'll have an Imperium civil war or not.
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Primarchs sell, unfortunately, so as much as they're a cancer on the setting and a large part of turning 40k into a soap opera, they'll probably continue to release at least one per edition.
 
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They're rebooting Combat Patrol. Again. Again. No, actually, again again again. They're hoping to make them playable against each other fairly out of the box.

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Who the hell are they kidding?
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They never get it into their thick skulls that Imperial guard need more than 2 fucking infantry squads when they are supposed to be a swarm unit. But nope. You'll still need to get a Russ or something if you want to stand up to the other patrols.
 
One talking point I've seen is that 10e's simplified rules will make it easier for noobs.

As a noob, I appreciate this, but I also understand the importance of gatekeeping your hobbies.

Then again, does that even make a difference anymore? It's not like normies can be any worse than autistic, maladjusted nerds who have a reputation for smelling like onions.
 
Meat Target said:
One talking point I've seen is that 10e's simplified rules will make it easier for noobs.

As a noob, I appreciate this, but I also understand the importance of gatekeeping your hobbies.

Then again, does that even make a difference anymore? It's not like normies can be any worse than autistic, maladjusted nerds who have a reputation for smelling like onions.
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Any rules at all, no matter how simple, will gatekeep the majority of undesirables, and only playing against people with painted armies will get you most of the rest of the way.
 
Steinercard said:
Also Horus has become Terry tier schizophrenic. He keeps thinking he's being interviewed by a remembrancer and all the other marines have to mind him and work around because he's so completely off his head he's become irresponsive and inconvenient to be around. I am not exaggerating that. He keeps asking for already dead marines to come talk to him and Abbadon is on the verge of tears.

This book in general is just about the worse 40k book I've read. And I've read the Jaq Draco novels. What surprised me the most was Dan Abnett wrote this. He wrote 18 hours worth of complete filler. This book is absolutely useless. I'd say you could cut half. But in reality all that you needed was a few pages and then the bit with the Custodes on the Vengeful spirit. And then the rest of the novel just dealing with what happens on the Vengeful Spirit. Which is going to be a whole separate novel.

I suspect the plan was for one complete book. And then Abnett was arbitrarily told to separate it into two halves and thus had a first half where fuck all happens. So Abnett fills it with utter fucking bullshit off the top of his head to fit a deadline.
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I am struggling to finish The End and The Death right now. It's so schizophrenic that it hurts. Way to much jumping around and plot points no one cares about. Definitely a letdown after Warhawk and Echoes of Eternity.
 
Penne Dreadful said:
Primarchs sell, unfortunately, so as much as they're a cancer on the setting and a large part of turning 40k into a soap opera, they'll probably continue to release at least one per edition.
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40K is at the tricky stage of the OG Warhammer where people are starting to get sick of the setting because nothing fucking happens and the lore gets too known and even more repetitive.
The options how to continue are to throw new shit (diminishing gains), burn it down (inevitably will piss off people) or just wait for it to die and be replaced with a new IP.

Kinda fitting at least.
 
wtfNeedSignUp said:
40K is at the tricky stage of the OG Warhammer where people are starting to get sick of the setting because nothing fucking happens and the lore gets too known and even more repetitive.
The options how to continue are to throw new shit (diminishing gains), burn it down (inevitably will piss off people) or just wait for it to die and be replaced with a new IP.

Kinda fitting at least.
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We left that stage with Gathering Storm, in 2017. It was almost explicitly a parallel to Fantasy's End Times, but between the disaster of AoS1e and Kirby's replacement by Rountree, 40k instead stumbled into a constant stream of throwing new things of galaxy-shaking importance into the setting every few months instead of rebooting. Ultimately, there was still a lot of room to expand the setting without turning it into a shallow narrative, as many past events and to some extent the FFG RPGs could attest, but the current course is set and it's anything but stagnant, for better or (I would say) worse.

A common maxim used to be "a setting, not a story", and I agree firmly with it; it's pretty clear to me that across every tabletop game, metaplots are always cancerous.
 
Meat Target said:
I would recommend this or the Starter Kit. Biting the bullet and paying $150-$200 for a big kit is better value than buying a lot of smaller kits over time (which I've learned the hard way is addicting).

Buy once, cry once.

ETA: GW will probably also spur more model sales by no longer having the rules paywalled.
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They are age of sigmaring it, which sounds bad. But the thing is age of sigmar is an actual good game system and 9th Ed 40k is dog shit. So if it is actually treated like age of sigmar, I might be able to actually enjoy 10th as opposed in staying solely in 7th+ with horus heresy.
 
Inquisitor_BadAss said:
I un-ironically soy faced when I seen the lion. I was going to buy the Horus Heresy version as a place filler but old man lion looks epic.
Also the new seraphon models give me 6th ed fantasy vibes with mounted skinks, it actually makes me want to get back into sigmar.
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Hasn't he been in stasis in the Rock with the Watchers in the Dark trying to heal him after Luther fucked his shit up?

Of course, according to some of the 30k art of him he was already a bit wrinkly and worn-looking:
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