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In what way are they depicted as Fascists specifically? Are we talking about loyalist, traitor or rogue marines? The only Primarch who could be described as Fascist is Horus, who ironically looks like Mussolini, because he didn't believe that humans should rule themselves and opposed the concept of a planetary governor, and that the Primarchs and their legions should rule the planets they conquered. Loyalist space marines aren't rulers, so how could they be Fascists?

Also Fascism is a spinoff of Socialism and is left-wing, not right-wing.
Ya gonna tell me chucklefucks like Dark Angels, Dark Crusaders, Marines Malevolent arent fascists? Heck, you can even say that Lion is kinda a fascist prick

Also, fascism usually gets backed up by capitalists, who last I checked are right-wingers usually.
 
Ya gonna tell me chucklefucks like Dark Angels, Dark Crusaders, Marines Malevolent arent fascists? Heck, you can even say that Lion is kinda a fascist prick
The Dark Angels, Dark Crusaders and Marines Malevolent are soldiers and not rulers, with the former being a highly secretive and insular order of knights, to the point they were paranoid of Guilliman killing them all, so I don't see how they could politically be Fascists if they aren't imposing a system of government on any given planet or group of people. The Marines Malevolent are just assholes who don't care about civilian casualties, which is not a unique feature of Fascism.
Also, fascism usually gets backed up by capitalists, who last I checked are right-wingers usually.
That doesn't make sense, Fascism is a spin on Socialism, Mussolini and Giovanni Gentile were both Socialists before they decided to create Fascism to appeal to the Italian Syndicalists and make a return to the guild system by federating all businesses as their own departments of government, only with the government being a check on the guilds rather than the inverse.
 
I wouldn't call the Lion a fascist. The Dark Angels as a whole, sure, but not him. He's just a monster built for war and excels at what he was created for. If anything, his initial upbringing in the forests of Caliban just made him a social retard.
Both he and Perty are total autists. Its just that the Lion had Luther to teach him how to at least be somewhat normal and Perty wound up with a dad more obsessed with the awesome explody shit his son could make than his own son, like Emps but worse.
 
Now that the Death Guard are okay-ish, I'm not nearly so disgusted with 10th Edition. Still hate the new psychic powers, though.
 
Ya gonna tell me chucklefucks like Dark Angels, Dark Crusaders, Marines Malevolent arent fascists? Heck, you can even say that Lion is kinda a fascist prick

Also, fascism usually gets backed up by capitalists, who last I checked are right-wingers usually.
Fascism is basically "authoritarian regime I don't like" but after decades of writing the Imperium itself is really not that authoritarian and instead more a republic that won't take no for an answer. A planet within it doesn't have a lot of rules to follow and has to pay its tithes that decide how much the Imperium cares about it. The planet itself can be whatever the people on it want and while the Lords of Terra can do everything they want, it is never worth it to micromanage a planet.

The Tau are far more fascistic with their caste system and mass sterilisation of undesirables.
 
Making an Italian fascist themed army with all the trappings like ostrich feathers or whatever might be a good way to sneak one past the soyboys since they wouldn't recognize anything without a swastika on it as bad.
 
Except for Krieg, apparently
The more valuable your planet, the more the Feds show up to micromanage it. And in a time and place of only war, a continuous stream of cannon fodder is pretty much irreplaceable. Catachan would be similar if not for the fact anyone sent to organize the recruitment would die in maybe an hour, tops, from one thing or another on that world.
Making an Italian fascist themed army with all the trappings like ostrich feathers or whatever might be a good way to sneak one past the soyboys since they wouldn't recognize anything without a swastika on it as bad.
Could also do the Romanian pound sign or a regimental banner in the style of the coat of arms of the Kingdom of Hungary.
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Fascism is basically "authoritarian regime I don't like" but after decades of writing the Imperium itself is really not that authoritarian and instead more a republic that won't take no for an answer. A planet within it doesn't have a lot of rules to follow and has to pay its tithes that decide how much the Imperium cares about it. The planet itself can be whatever the people on it want and while the Lords of Terra can do everything they want, it is never worth it to micromanage a planet.
The Imperium would be more accurately described as a medieval aristocracy, with the Lords of Terra, planetary governors, Space Marine chapter masters, ecclesiarchs, techpriest magi, and all manners of local rulers having power, nominally answering to a monarch, like the Emperor or Primarch Guilliman.

Maybe under the Emperor, you could describe it as a fascist state since he had power over everyone, but after he was interred in the Golden Throne and the loyalist Primarchs started disappearing, the Imperium became more feudal in its ways of governance, which is the farthest thing you can get from being fascist.

A centralized democratic state with a federal government can vote itself into fascism within a single generation, but a feudal state with mini-states all over the place can't, since each mini-state is its own thing, and you can't just do away with all those mini-rulers to create a centralized fascist government. You'd have to subdue them all first or get them to sign away their rights to self-rule, which is far harder than it looks. That would probably entail a war of its own, the way European monarchs used marriages and summer wars for centuries to absorb duchies, fiefdoms, and local lords' territories into a centralized state ruled by the crown.

The Tau are far more fascistic with their caste system and mass sterilisation of undesirables.
True. The Tau government is far more centralized than the Imperium.

Ya gonna tell me chucklefucks like Dark Angels, Dark Crusaders, Marines Malevolent arent fascists? Heck, you can even say that Lion is kinda a fascist prick
They're just assholes; not every asshole is a fascist. Otherwise everyone from Renaissance monarchs to old-world Roman Emperors would be counted as fascist.

Also, fascism usually gets backed up by capitalists, who last I checked are right-wingers usually.
LOL more leftist BS. The capitalists of the 1930s only backed the fascists because they were scared of the Commies. If it wasn't for the USSR, the capitalists in London and Paris would have crushed Adolf and Benito before they could gain any real power. That, and fascist dictators tell businesses what to make. Tojo tells Mitsubishi to go make airplanes, and they do it. Hitler tells BMW to go make Volkswagens, and they go do it. If they don't, there's severe consequences. That is not how capitalism runs. Capitalism is free market; a business can refuse an order and pass the buck to someone else. You can't do that in a fascist system.

The Dark Angels, Dark Crusaders and Marines Malevolent are soldiers and not rulers, with the former being a highly secretive and insular order of knights, to the point they were paranoid of Guilliman killing them all, so I don't see how they could politically be Fascists if they aren't imposing a system of government on any given planet or group of people. The Marines Malevolent are just assholes who don't care about civilian casualties, which is not a unique feature of Fascism.
Exactly. Authoritarian assholes predated fascism, yet these clowns call anything authoritarian ''fascist''.

I remember some left-wing reactors watching Avatar the Last Airbender call Fire Lord Sozin a fascist, even though he's just an expansionist and an old-world absolute monarch; they don't even know what socialism or capitalism is, yet. To have a concept of fascism, you have to know what capitalism, socialism, and democracy are, since fascism stands against all three, considering them to be wrong.

That doesn't make sense, Fascism is a spin on Socialism, Mussolini and Giovanni Gentile were both Socialists before they decided to create Fascism to appeal to the Italian Syndicalists and make a return to the guild system by federating all businesses as their own departments of government, only with the government being a check on the guilds rather than the inverse.
Depends on the fascist. German and Italian fascists are a mix of nationalists and socialists trying to create a new socialist party free from Soviet influence. Spanish fascists appealed to tradition and religion and only wanted to restore the monarchy and the church to power, making them right-wing as opposed to the center-left position the German fascists had. If the German fascists were right-wing, they would've restored the Kaiser the way Franco restored the Spanish Monarchy as an institution.
 
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LOL more leftist BS. The capitalists of the 1930s only backed the fascists because they were scared of the Commies. If it wasn't for the USSR, the capitalists in London and Paris would have crushed Adolf and Benito before they could gain any real power. That, and fascist dictators tell businesses what to make. Tojo tells Mitsubishi to go make airplanes, and they do it. Hitler tells BMW to go make Volkswagens, and they go do it. If they don't, there's severe consequences. That is not how capitalism runs. Capitalism is free market; a business can refuse an order and pass the buck to someone else. You can't do that in a fascist system.
Ye, they were scared because the communist parties in Germany were getting more powerful, an those tophat-wearing faggots didn't like that. Let's back up this Nazi shithead to fix the problem, that isn't a bad idea. Let's keep sucking that capitalism cock and claim it's such a perfect thing, because that's all you yanks faggots can do. Also, free market is horseshit that you Yank twats loved pushing.
 
Ye, they were scared because the communist parties in Germany were getting more powerful, an those tophat-wearing faggots didn't like that. Let's back up this Nazi shithead to fix the problem, that isn't a bad idea. Let's keep sucking that capitalism cock and claim it's such a perfect thing, because that's all you yanks faggots can do. Also, free market is horseshit that you Yank twats loved pushing.
No, they were scared that the Commies in Russia were going to fuck them all ragged, and so they thought they can let Nazi Germany grow in between them and the Russians. The local Commie freaks in Germany were put down by the Freikorps, it was the USSR that the capitalists in London and Paris both feared. If it wasn't for them, the British and the French would've crushed poor little Adolf before he got anywhere near strong enough to threaten them.

Not only that, but the Nazi party on its own had more votes than the Communists in Germany, so no, you're totally wrong about the Commies being stronger. If the Nazis were a minority party, the conservatives wouldn't have bothered to break bread with them.

Also, the fascists wore the pants in the relationship with the capitalists, not the other way around. They made the free market bend over backwards as they fucked it in the ass and forced the companies to do whatever it wanted. Free market gave way to whatever the state wanted, which basically made fascism into a form of Communism that actually worked. They didn't have to kill tens of millions of people to industrialize like Stalin did; Hitler and Tojo just told BMW and Mitsubishi what they were gonna make, and they made it. If they resisted, they'd get killed.

Also, where did I claim that capitalism is perfect, again? Did I ever say that here? It's like with Reagan a while back, you presume too much of me. You assume that I love capitalism and Reagan unquestioningly, when I never said anything about either one being perfect. It reveals more about your triggered leftist ass that you assume I think Reagan and capitalism were perfect, when I never made such a claim.

Go back to your hole, Commie scum. If it wasn't for your kind, nobody would've tolerated Hitler at all. You wouldn't know a fascist if it bit you in the ass.

Calling Imperium organizations like the Dark Angels or the Marines Malevolent fascist is like calling Henry II of England a fascist. It's dead fucking wrong when one knows what fascism is.
 
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No, they were scared that the Commies in Russia were going to fuck them all ragged, and so they thought they can let Nazi Germany grow in between them and the Russians. The local Commie freaks in Germany were put down by the Freikorps, it was the USSR that the capitalists in London and Paris both feared. If it wasn't for them, the British and the French would've crushed poor little Adolf before he got anywhere near strong enough to threaten them.
Pffft,...Crushed him? Both the fuckin' Limeys and French happily colluded with that fucker, hell the fucking Yank faggots would have sucked some Nazi cock.

Not only that, but the Nazi party on its own had more votes than the Communists in Germany, so no, you're totally wrong about the Commies being stronger. If the Nazis were a minority party, the conservatives wouldn't have bothered to break bread with them.
The only reason the Nazi party got more votes than the communist, was because the Nazis burned down the Reichstag and blamed it on the communist party. Before that shit, the Communist Party was kicking ass and getting more votes and that's why the capitalist German faggots got worried.
They didn't have to kill tens of millions of people to industrialize like Stalin did; Hitler and Tojo just told BMW and Mitsubishi what they were gonna make, and they made it. If they resisted, they'd get killed.
Ye, tens of millions, please raise those numbers ever hire, like the Ukranian faggots love raising their numbers.
Go back to your hole, Commie scum. If it wasn't for your kind, nobody would've tolerated Hitler at all. You wouldn't know a fascist if it bit you in the ass.
HA! Ye sure, you capitalist faggots who have sucked Nazi cock no questions asked, because it serves your bullshit. But please, keep going how it's because of the mean commies Hitler even existed.
 
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Pffft,...Crushed him? Both the fuckin' Limeys and French happily colluded with that fucker, hell the fucking Yank faggots would have sucked some Nazi cock.
LOL you're talking about the same Yanks who cost the Nazis the whole fucking war. Far from sucking up to them, the Yanks crushed the Nazis' balls. Next time, read a fucking history book not written by a Communist retard.

Oh, wait, you were talking about what happened in Spain. When the Nazis and the Brits were on the same side because the Stalin-backed Spanish Republic tried to genocide all Catholics, which drove the majority of the Spanish populace, who were Catholic, into the arms of the Falangists that had both Nazi and British support.

The only reason the Nazi party got more votes than the communist, was because the Nazis burned down the Reichstag and blamed it on the communist party. Before that shit, the Communist Party was kicking ass and getting more votes and that's why the capitalist German faggots got worried.
And so many people bought that lie because the Commies were unhinged, violent lunatics being controlled by daddy Stalin from Moscow. They were literally causing chaos on the streets to the point where they had to be put down. That, and the workers and socialists of Germany wanted an alternative that didn't make them Moscow's little bitch; the Nazis, being NATIONAL SOCIALISTS who wanted to rebuild Germany's military strength, provided them with that alternative.

Ye, tens of millions, please raise those numbers ever hire, like the Ukranian faggots love raising their numbers.
It's the truth. Denying it makes you just as bad as any Holocaust denier.

HA! Ye sure, you capitalist faggots who have sucked Nazi cock no questions asked, because it serves your bullshit. But please, keep going how it's because of the mean commies Hitler even existed.
It pretty much is. If it wasn't for the Commies, the capitalists in Paris and London would've marched into Berlin and arrested Hitler themselves before he rearmed Germany.

Not only that, but the same ''capitalist faggots'' you keep whining about are the ones who beat Hitler. Without them supplying the Russians and opening a second front to distract the Germans, Moscow would've fallen to Berlin, and the Nazis would've won the European front of the war.

Again, you're the moron who thinks that an empire which tolerates multiple, self-governing organizations such as the Adeptus Mechanicus and the Space Marine chapters is fascist. No self-respecting fascist dictatorship tolerates that many self-governing bodies. They wouldn't tolerate things like Space Marine Legions or Chapters; they'd just lump them all together into one Space Marine mega-organization and put that under the direct control of Guilliman or the Lords of Terra, and any Space Marines who dare to question it would be made to face the wall as a Custodes firing squad armed with Adtrathic weapons blow them away.
 
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LOL you're talking about the same Yanks who cost the Nazis the whole fucking war. Far from sucking up to them, the Yanks crushed the Nazis' balls. Next time, read a fucking history book not written by a Communist retard.
Oh ye, you SURE crushed them, right after making deals with them at first. They even had ideas to back 'em in the war if they're gonna start losing to the USSR. Kinda how you capitalistic faggots happily support some Ukrainian Nazis because it suits you greedy shits.
And so many people bought that lie because the Commies were unhinged, violent lunatics being controlled by daddy Stalin from Moscow. They were literally causing chaos on the streets to the point where they had to be put down. That, and the workers and socialists of Germany wanted an alternative that didn't make them Moscow's little bitch; the Nazis, being NATIONAL SOCIALISTS who wanted to rebuild Germany's military strength, provided them with that alternative.
Oh ye, it was totally lies and they sure were unhinged, unlike the Nazi faggots. But please, tell me more about how everyone was gonna be a bitch, because they sure weren't gonna be bitches under control of capitalistic shits.

It's the truth. Denying it makes you just as bad as any Holocaust denier.
Mhm, it's only "truth" when it comes from the mouths of Western scumbags and their bitches, anyone who calls bullshit is quickly branded a "denier", fuck off.

It pretty much is. If it wasn't for the Commies, the capitalists in Paris and London would've marched into Berlin and arrested Hitler themselves before he rearmed Germany.
Pffft...No they fucking wouldn't, but please keep pushing that bullshit, gotta defend your precious capitalism somehow.
Not only that, but the same ''capitalist faggots'' you whine about are the ones who beat Hitler. Without them supplying the Russians and opening a second front to distract the Germans, Moscow would've fallen to Berlin, and the Nazis would've won the European front of the war.
Ah yes, the "2nd front", in 1944...When Russia had already pushed back Germany and went for a counter-offensive and the Nazis started to retreat. REALLY needed that distraction from you Western faggots, because Germany would have totally won without you shits. Hey, shall we ask who was busy giving protection to Nazi war criminals after the war, hmmm?
 
@The tired cat
Oh ye, you SURE crushed them, right after making deals with them at first. They even had ideas to back 'em in the war if they're gonna start losing to the USSR. Kinda how you capitalistic faggots happily support some Ukrainian Nazis because it suits you greedy shits.
The Ukrainian ''Nazis'' take orders from Jews. The only thing Nazi about them is the funny symbols on their armor; no self-respecting Nazi would be on the same side as Israel or taking orders from Jews. The Ukrainian leaders are all a bunch of bourgeoisie western democracy-types who intermingle with Jews; the Nazis fucking hated the bourgeoisie, and they fucking hated Jews.

Your definition of ''Nazi'' is ''anyone who makes my fee-fees hurt.''

Oh ye, it was totally lies and they sure were unhinged, unlike the Nazi faggots. But please, tell me more about how everyone was gonna be a bitch, because they sure weren't gonna be bitches under control of capitalistic shits.
The Nazis were unhinged loons, too. But the German people decided to back them because they decided that if they're fighting unhinged lunatics like the Commies, they might as well have unhinged lunatics of their own. The SA were expendable thugs that they could rely on to throw themselves in and die fighting against the Commies' thugs. Also, the big bonus of capitalism over communism is that you get to keep your private property and business. You can't do that under Communism, because all property is property of the state, unless you're China and you need to make some goddamn money.

Mhm, it's only "truth" when it comes from the mouths of Western scumbags and their bitches, anyone who calls bullshit is quickly branded a "denier", fuck off.
Again, it's the truth. Denying it is like denying the sky is blue in a clear day.

Pffft...No they fucking wouldn't, but please keep pushing that bullshit, gotta defend your precious capitalism somehow.
Yes, they would. The French especially. They hated Hitler's guts and were looking for any excuse to off him. If there was no USSR to keep them nervous, they'd have declared war on Hitler's ass right off the bat before he tried to re-arm Germany.

And again, fascism doesn't defend capitalism; it subjugates it. Free enterprise takes a backseat to whatever the local dictator demands, be it Tojo telling Mitsubishi to make fighter planes, or Hitler telling BMW to make Volkswagens.

Ah yes, the "2nd front", in 1944...When Russia had already pushed back Germany and went for a counter-offensive and the Nazis started to retreat. REALLY needed that distraction from you Western faggots, because Germany would have totally won without you shits. Hey, shall we ask who was busy giving protection to Nazi war criminals after the war, hmmm?
All thanks to western supplies and ammo. Without those supplies, Russia would've collapsed in 1943.

Also, you might want to watch your proverbial tongue when speaking about who hid Nazis after the war. Both sides tried to recruit Nazi scientists and soldiers; the East German army's leadership were made up of Hitler's generals, and both the Soviets and the Americans tried to get Nazi scientists to help them in the space race, offering protection and amnesty in exchange for service.

Again, you're bitching and whining about fascism, in a forum about Warhammer 40K, whose main Imperium isn't even fascist at all, but you're calling them fascist even though they're more feudal in nature, because the word ''fascist'' is your code-word for ''meanie-head'', like every smooth-brain SJW who doesn't even know the difference between fascism and the pre-fascist, classic authoritarian regimes. You call the Imperium fascists even though their government is the farthest from fascism, thanks to how horribly decentralized the whole fucking thing is. You call the Ukrainians ''Nazis'' even though they take orders from Jews and vote Jews into power.

Damn, you make SJWs look sane by comparison. At least even they know the accusation of Ukrainians being ''Nazis'' is bogus.
 
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The Ukrainian ''Nazis'' take orders from Jews. The only thing Nazi about them is the funny symbols on their armor; no self-respecting Nazi would be on the same side as Israel or taking orders from Jews. The Ukrainian leaders are all a bunch of bourgeoisie western democracy-types who intermingle with Jews; the Nazis fucking hated the bourgeoisie, and they fucking hated Jews.

Your definition of ''Nazi'' is ''anyone who makes my fee-fees hurt.''
Hated Jews, despite pretty much half the top Nazi German brass being made of Jews, hell Hitler himself was half Jewish, at least 6000 Jews served in the German army and 1000 Jews were on the Gestapo's payroll. Please, tell me more how the "No self-respecting Nazi" bullshit, I wanna hear more.

Also, the big bonus of capitalism over communism is that you get to keep your private property and business. You can't do that under Communism, because all property is property of the state, unless you're China and you need to make some goddamn money.
That's funny, I recall how even in Stalin's constitution private property was a thing, a farmer can be a farmer without joining the Kolhoz or could leave easily and still keep their shit. And yet with the Yanks at any point, the government could come in, say "fuck you" and take your shit if they want to.

Yes, they would. The French especially. They hated Hitler's guts and were looking for any excuse to off him. If there was no USSR to keep them nervous, they'd have declared war on Hitler's ass right off the bat before he tried to re-arm Germany.
Uh-huh, the French couldn't be arsed to respect an alliance they made between them and USSR about how the moment Czechoslovakia was attacked, they would aid 'em with the USSR. Did those frog fuckers do that? Nope! They just waved their hands and allowed the Nazis to take it over, along with the Limey faggots. So, please tell me this bullshit about how the French would SO declare war on Hitler.

Again, it's the truth. Denying it is like denying the sky is blue in a clear day.
Again, only "true" when coming from Western faggots and their bitches.

Also, you might want to watch your proverbial tongue when speaking about who hid Nazis after the war. Both sides tried to recruit Nazi scientists and soldiers; the East German army's leadership were made up of Hitler's generals, and both the Soviets and the Americans tried to get Nazi scientists to help them in the space race, offering protection and amnesty in exchange for service.
Ye, however when it came to the Yanks, besides Scientist, they also went to grab every SS and Gestapo motherfucker under the sun. The ambassador of Western Germany was a former SS guy, another Gestapo guy was on the CIA's payroll to help 'em hunt down Che Guevara in Bolivia. Heck, the USA refused to turn in SS guys who took part in the various massacres on the Eastern Front.
 
Why the fuck do we have this autistic furry retard shitting up the thread? I fucking LOVE NAZIS but this is damn off topic!

The Imperium is middle ages, IN SPACE. Knights, IN SPACE. Swords, IN SPACE. It isn't that hard to get volks.
 
Why the fuck do we have this autistic furry retard shitting up the thread? I fucking LOVE NAZIS but this is damn off topic!
Please be patient, he's having an meltdown and he genuinely doesn't means what he was saying over the past couple of pages.

Just pour him an glass of bleach and he'll be fine, next week.
 
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