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If only BL and the Redditors that make up their fanbase would realize that they're getting lamer with every "Well, akshually, they're loyal and not!", revealing mysteries, and taking away from the mystique of the unit. They used to be my favorite Traitor Legion, and now I'm getting sick of seeing them and how flanderized/bastardized they've become.

I really think they should just codify it. "There is a core contingency of AL that are absolutely loyalist but they're still doing whatever they can to defeat the great enemy at the long game, even if it means doing things the rest of the imperium would never forgive." Maybe even hide a loyalist AL chapter in plain sight. Surely even GW could figure out a way to show some Space Marine chapter that's blatantly AL themed but named / tweaked juuuust enough. How many chapters have "color tinted metallics" as their paint scheme, after all?

Heck bonus idea: The Loyalist AL chapter has NO IDEA they're AL. They think they're I dunno, Ultramarine successors. Hell they could do an entire codex / mini-supplement on "Loyalist Traitors" and "Traitor Loyalists." Give me a few pages dedicated to Chaos Imperial Fist Successors, for example.

But BL has an absolute hateboner for Traitor Legion Loyalists and have retconned each and every instance of them they can. For some reason I attribute this to ADB but this might just be because he's the avatar of bad BL writing to me.

 

[YumeNoHero]

What is every one's favorite and / or least favorite group of traitor marines?

Call me basic but World Eaters, both pre and post heresy.

 

[سلیمان عثمان]

Call me basic but World Eaters, both pre and post heresy.

Perfectly respectable choice, factions with straight forward motivations and methods make for a nice contrast in the endless lorewank. Not every thing needs to be super duper secret and filled with intrigues and complex possibilities; spiky spooky horned angry dudes that just want to kill for the simple joy of killing is pretty cool.

I collected 'nids more obsessively than other factions at least in part due to their simplicity. Big hungry monsters, what do they want? To eat you and make more big hungry monsters.

Kind of off topic but did any one here ever get in to VOR: The Maelstrom? Growlers were such a fun / stupid faction: hungry gorilla-nigger-lizards that live to eat breed and kill, that is all. Playing as retarded wild animals that use their own children as projectiles, I miss them.

So many 40K alternatives come and go but, like good little battered wives, we keep on crawling back to 40K.

 

[Penne Dreadful]

What is every one's favorite and / or least favorite group of traitor marines?

Thousand Sons. Love me Egyptian space wizards, simple as. 40k is generous enough to offer not one, not two but three whole (sub)factions of them.
Least favourite are probably the Alpha Legion at this point, purely for the community surrounding them.

 

[Second Missing Primarch]

I collected 'nids more obsessively than other factions at least in part due to their simplicity. Big hungry monsters, what do they want? To eat you and make more big hungry monsters.

Same for me. It took me forever to actually start a Nid army, but I've always loved that they're just giant eaty space bugs whose only motivation is to pick the galaxy clean like Pat Tomlinson at a pizza buffet and move on to the next one. To borrow a quote, I admire their purity. No conscience, no remorse, no delusions of morality. Just eat.

 

[Humble Architect]

Listening to tge audiobook for Lord of Excess, while painting and I’m picking up on things I missed.

Xantine lamenting low ammo, slaves, brothers and hard drugs. Calling every other traitor legion disgusting, useless retards and genuinely believing Abaddon is hunting him personally, the possibility that Abby has no idea who he is never crosses his mind. There’s also Xantine’s daemon gf having a “Stop hanging out with your idiot friends” discussion with him.

And mention of an EC navigator who stared at his reflection for months, requiring round the clock care from the slaves, to feed him, bathe him and wipe him.

Truly, the followers of Slaanesh are the most exceptional individuals

 

[God of Nothing]

Listening to tge audiobook for Lord of Excess, while painting and I’m picking up on things I missed.

Xantine lamenting low ammo, slaves, brothers and hard drugs. Calling every other traitor legion disgusting, useless retards and genuinely believing Abaddon is hunting him personally, the possibility that Abby has no idea who he is never crosses his mind. There’s also Xantine’s daemon gf having a “Stop hanging out with your idiot friends” discussion with him.

And mention of an EC navigator who stared at his reflection for months, requiring round the clock care from the slaves, to feed him, bathe him and wipe him.

Truly, the followers of Slaanesh are the most exceptional individuals

you just don't understand how fabulous that navigator looked

 

[Humble Architect]

you just don't understand how fabulous that navigator looked

I just find it funny that the marines were in the rare situation where they had to acknowledge and work around a mortal’s eccentrics.

Read “A More Perfect Union” the prelude short story to Lord of Excess, I really like Xantine, he has the same opinion of the primaris marines that we do.

He also at one point consumes lesser daemons like shots of alcohol all while a Word Bearer diabolist writes down notes then offers him a new selection Professor Oak style.

 

[Abella]

Besides movement, what’s the reason to auto include units with jetpacks?

 

[TingoFranDingo]

Besides movement, what’s the reason to auto include units with jetpacks?

they are cool

 

[daniel day]

I have had a lot of conversations about favorite Space Marine Legions & chapters but rarely, if ever specifically talk favorite (post-heresy) Chaos Space Marine Legions / Fallen Chapters.

What is every one's favorite and / or least favorite group of traitor marines?

My favorite is the Night Lords due to the fact that they kind of suck shit and have always seemed like the most half-cooked of the Traitor Legions. Petty criminals and emos that were inexplicably recruited in to the space marines and even as Chaos Marines they are kind of half-assed about it. I just find them sort of unintentionally funny:
The Legion of "Fuck you dad!"

Least favorite is EC, purely for aesthetic reasons. The coom marines set off my prudish gag reflex, though I do kind of like their color scheme.

I started with the Word bearers. I read Lorgar Auralius: Bearer of the Word and then got introduced to Argel Tal in First Heretic and I fell in love. It helps that the WB are basically the only space marine faction that won during the Horus Heresy. I just wish they were treated like an actual threat. By all measures they should have the largest single- legion contingent of Chaos Space Marines, and their whole shtick is being excellent preachers and wordsmiths to attract cultists.

 

[God of Nothing]

I started with the Word bearers. I read Lorgar Auralius: Bearer of the Word and then got introduced to Argel Tal in First Heretic and I fell in love. It helps that the WB are basically the only space marine faction that won during the Horus Heresy. I just wish they were treated like an actual threat. By all measures they should have the largest single- legion contingent of Chaos Space Marines, and their whole shtick is being excellent preachers and wordsmiths to attract cultists.

sorry, the designated fodder jobber legion has to hog all the spotlight
their leader is destined to win for chaos in spite of the dozen times he failed
Logar would be a vastly more interesting leader of the Chaos forces than Abbadon that it's insane he's not.

 

[daniel day]

sorry, the designated fodder jobber legion has to hog all the spotlight
their leader is destined to win for chaos in spite of the dozen times he failed
Logar would be a vastly more interesting leader of the Chaos forces than Abbadon that it's insane he's not.

I think the WB should act as a foil to the imperium's ecclesiarchy, emmissaries for the gods and in charge of keeping the rabble under control through faith. The black legion is a perfect generic main threat if youre attempting to sell models that can be painted and built however and just put under a BL banner.

Lorgar in canon is a pretty pathetic soldier, and he even admits it himself. Hes also the weakest primarch (and, I would imagine, not much stronger as a demon primarch). His biggest strength is in his ability to speak to people. It was either betrayer or first heretic during the Dropsite Massacre, Lorgar got his shit rocked by Corvus Corax, and it wasnt even close. He, Erebus, and Kor Phaeron could come back and rally the demon primarchs and Abbadon to launch another real crusade against the imperium, but him acting as a general wouldnt fit with his wants or character very well.

Or, you know, the writers could think of a threat or hero that isnt a fucking primarch and was actually interesting beyond "guys, theyre like space marines but Named Characters! Now please spend $170 on this figure the same size as a dreadnought."

 

[God of Nothing]

I think the WB should act as a foil to the imperium's ecclesiarchy, emmissaries for the gods and in charge of keeping the rabble under control through faith. The black legion is a perfect generic main threat if youre attempting to sell models that can be painted and built however and just put under a BL banner.

Lorgar in canon is a pretty pathetic soldier, and he even admits it himself. Hes also the weakest primarch (and, I would imagine, not much stronger as a demon primarch). His biggest strength is in his ability to speak to people. It was either betrayer or first heretic during the Dropsite Massacre, Lorgar got his shit rocked by Corvus Corax, and it wasnt even close. He, Erebus, and Kor Phaeron could come back and rally the demon primarchs and Abbadon to launch another real crusade against the imperium, but him acting as a general wouldnt fit with his wants or character very well.

Or, you know, the writers could think of a threat or hero that isnt a fucking primarch and was actually interesting beyond "guys, theyre like space marines but Named Characters! Now please spend $170 on this figure the same size as a dreadnought."

A mortal falling to chaos and outweighing the primarchs would be too based. Can you imagine it? A Sly Marbo equivalent that outdoes CSMs by not being an infighting idiot because muh geneseed or muh patron god? Or maybe one of those Alpha+ psykers that got away from the Inquisiton and manages on their own. They didn't find an answer in the Creed but in faith towards something else that indisputably exists. Perhaps he'd hate the primarchs or resent the space marines in general for being blind puppets, whether towards the Emperor or the Ruinous Powers, because they're more tools than people, which is one reason that turns off a lot of people IRL from the imperium.

if you look at it a certain way, none of the space marines or the primarchs are really respectable or admirable for their deeds: they were made to succeed or literally destined to in a certain writer's pet failure rather than from their own abilities

But normal and mundane people not in power armor don't sell figurines.

 

[Humble Architect]

I was thinking a Chaos equivalent to “The Beast” where there’s a Chaos Lord who’s making waves and killing regardless of alignment but the reveal is that “he” is actually a gathering of champions who are making a go of a proper Dark Council for Chaos Undivided because the “Warmaster” approach isn’t working. The member of their council from the Alpha Legion is behind the plan to use one name and one banner to take everyone by surprise.

Bonus points if they use the underrated book Chaos Lords like Honsou, Decimus and Marduk who would slot in easily to evoke their dads.

 

[سلیمان عثمان]

Abaddon feels forced in a way that makes a lot of people just want him to fuck right off, I think. I kind of prefer the primarchs as background / legendary figures that are largely in the back ground, the more they are used the more their mystique is reduced. I think the problem with characters like Archaon and Abaddon is that they are introduced immediately as the biggest baddest dude with no build-up, no rise to prominence that makes them actually interesting. Not once have I met a fan of Archaon or Abaddon while pretty much every other special character has people who think they are cool.

Any Chaos warlord or character that usurps Abaddon's position would probably instantly become more popular as a result and pretty much all of them would make for a more interesting Big Bad Boy than Abaddon (he is the CEO's cousin so he needs a big role) the Despoiler. Hell, I do not like the Emperor's Children but I would be on board if Eidolon or Lucius took over. That would be interesting.

Personally, my favorite Big Bad Boy character is still Ghazghkull but I like characters that walk a line tween threatening and comedic.

 

[augment]

You want a one-up to that, not once IRL have I met a Black Legion player. Everyone defaults to TS, DG, or any other warband.

 

[Anonymus Fluhre]

Been checking out Trench Crusade as a new Grim Dark setting. Game really needs it's own miniatures. World makes for a good RPG setting that's pretty easy to set up with Sandy Peterson's one Doom-like RPG for 5th Edition. It's a lot like W40k right down to making super humans but theirs are made with the blood of Jesus Christ. The game even has what is effectively dreadnaughts. I rather liked the crucified man on the "shield" as you don't see that very often. Something I've done for Sisters of Battle. They also put a sacrificed goat hanging off of it.

 

[The tired cat]

Been checking out Trench Crusade as a new Grim Dark setting. Game really needs it's own miniatures. World makes for a good RPG setting that's pretty easy to set up with Sandy Peterson's one Doom-like RPG for 5th Edition. It's a lot like W40k right down to making super humans but theirs are made with the blood of Jesus Christ. The game even has what is effectively dreadnaughts. I rather liked the crucified man on the "shield" as you don't see that very often. Something I've done for Sisters of Battle. They also put a sacrificed goat hanging off of it.

Didn't they have a kickstarter for minis?

 

[Anonymus Fluhre]

Didn't they have a kickstarter for minis?

They will. Currently only some of the lore has been released and the playtest rules. I'll likely use Snipers in the game because I like the idea of drugged up sleepless army guys who hear the divine providence of god to help with their long range attacks. though god is rude for never shutting up and letting them catch some z's.