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Have not been on much latley but I have been working on my stuff a bit in my spare time

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How does everyone feel about the Dawn of War games? I haven't bothered with the first because 4:3 resolutions annoy me, I'm trying to get into 2, and I've heard that the direction Relic is going with 3 is divisive in the extreme.
 
DoW was one of my favorite RTD titles at its launch. I played in the mutiplayer Beta and bought every expansion they dropped.
DoW 2 has a really fun co-op campaign that's pretty long if you also have the Chaos Rising expansion.

I haven't seen enough on 3 to really comment.
 
1's a good RTS that's somewhat similar to things like Age of Empires or Rise of Nations, but with the stats being more akin to Bungie's Myth in a way.

2's... I don't like it. It's basically just you and your small squad going top down on mobs ala LoL and bosses for it were too meaty in terms of health IMO. I just can't be arsed to like strategy lite, especially since one of your characters can basically win entire maps for you.

From what I get, 3 seems to be going more in the direction of 2, and that's not what I want.
 
Corypheus said:
How does everyone feel about the Dawn of War games? I haven't bothered with the first because 4:3 resolutions annoy me, I'm trying to get into 2, and I've heard that the direction Relic is going with 3 is divisive in the extreme.
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DOoW 1 was pretty good, but almost everything it did right was refined in the WW2 based CoH series, especially CoH2 (which is pretty much the most popular RTS by player population out there that isn't either StarCraft or a MOBA), whiel DoW2 attempted to capture the tabletop feel instead and was a far worse game because of it.
 
Anyone here follow the Emperor Text to Speech device series? Shit was great.
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I'm thinking about diving into Age of Sigmar. I've been wanting to play Warhammer for ages, but cost prevented it. Now, I can spend $150 on an army and have a perfectly playable force. For the cost of one army in old WFB, now I can buy four. I can finally field the Nurgle/Skaven army of my dreams.
 
Strelok said:
DOoW 1 was pretty good, but almost everything it did right was refined in the WW2 based CoH series, especially CoH2 (which is pretty much the most popular RTS by player population out there that isn't either StarCraft or a MOBA), whiel DoW2 attempted to capture the tabletop feel instead and was a far worse game because of it.
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How so? I've never actually had the money to field a tabletop army so there isn't a frame of reference for what you're telling me.
 
Corypheus said:
How so? I've never actually had the money to field a tabletop army so there isn't a frame of reference for what you're telling me.
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Tabletop 40k focuses on smaller skirmishes between warbands. A couple tanks, a few dozen ground units, and so on. While DoW1 and CoH (especially COH, whose bread and butter is 4v4 competitives) you might in a large match see a half dozen tanks, a hundred troops or more.

For instance here is an 1850 point ork army I found online. 1850 is on the extreme high end of point games, most are either 1000 or 1500. Now keep in mind that unlike in a game like DoW, this is the whole army. You aren't going to get men constantly flowing in. So while in this case it's all about positioning, flanking, making sur eevery unit is in the precise best place it can be, it's size is limited by the method of play.

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The thing Relic seemed to forget is, the reason for this is quite simply that tabletop games take fucking ages to play because of all the rolling. The spectacle is lost when it's just a few squads of men pissing at each other in real time, constantly flitting around because nobody wants to overcomitt. Instead of a game showing the extreme chaos and brutalisty of 40k, you had squads of men who didnt want to fight becuase positioning and capturing took so long as to become tedious.

The opposite is true too, as Apocalypse, the large scale tabletop 40k game, is nigh unplayable from what I understand because of the scale.

Of course if you reeeeeeeeealy ask me, there's only 1 GW tabletop game that's truly worth getting into.

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I used to have a bunch of those Necrons when i was younger. Sadly I have no clue where the hell they are. I also have a monolith somewhere I never managed to fully assemble from that same time period. Sometimes the parts just never wanted to stick together and it was infuriating. The games workshop I went to back then had some really nice staff that also built these insane models for playing the game on and wold switch them out weekly. There was one I never got the chance to play the game on though that was pretty much a freakishly large lighthouse. The reason that one stuck out to me was because apparently it suffered water damage or something in transport from house of the guy that made it to the store, and they spent months trying to repair it. That and the fact it was a fucking massive lighthouse. Kind of a weird setting for a SPACE WAR but hey who knows maybe they used it for the other games too.
Shame my skeltal warriers never got ta storm tha betches ad fuk up som cucks ya feel me?
 
Speaking of Blood Bowl, Willy Miniatures, one of the companies that does third party models ever sicne GW dropped all the specialist games like a lead baloon, is revealing their newest lineup, the dwarf team, that should go into production in a month or two.

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That's 8 linemen, 2 runners, 2 blizters, 2 troll slayers, and a deathroller, which for the non linemen is the most you can have of each position on a roster (linemen can go to the full 16 man lineup if you're insane, especially as basically nobody besides goblins and halflings runs benches that deep), plus a functionally useless coach and cheerleader model. All for about $70 for kickstarter backers (This company has a habit of just using KS as a preorder middleman), normal price is around $100ish if hsitory is anything to go by.

Edit: And yes, they are metal not resin or plastic.
 
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To anyone who's been playing Total War Warhammer; is Malagor or Khazrak a better starting lord?
 
Corypheus said:
To anyone who's been playing Total War Warhammer; is Malagor or Khazrak a better starting lord?
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Depends on playstyle is my guess. I only know that stuff like playing the Empire is best done with combined arms, so Balthasar is good for early on due to his starting cavalry for harrassment, starting with a good wizard, them great swords, and that mortar. Franz on the other hand gives you Reiksguard, which is nice for shock moves and flanking, gives you a movement bonus, and is a beefier and much better lord, so it does depend on your plans.

Looking them uop, the main thing with beastmen is they have vanguard available; use that and their shock attack to just flank the fuck out of your enemies whenever you can. Just watch your units; they're fragile and will go down pretty easy. Khazrak gives you more loot and allows you to fight better with humans due to leadership bonuses. Malagor gives you better movement and an extra Bray-shaman; he also eventually (level 15) gets a hex spell that drops leadership of enemy units by slightly less than Khazrak's boost.
 
Corypheus said:
To anyone who's been playing Total War Warhammer; is Malagor or Khazrak a better starting lord?
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Can't tell you because fuck paying $19 for a fucking faction lol, even if it's bundled with a campaign (which ill never play).

That said, go with the guy with the best faction effects. Those are only given by your starting lord.

In other news, Eternal Crusade just added the WAAAAAGH! They're underpowered and need rebalancing, and I cant see shit when I'm shooting because the muzzle flash and lack of accuracy, but goddamn I'm having fun with them. So many bullets, so much explosions.
 
Strelok said:
Can't tell you because fuck paying $19 for a fucking faction lol, even if it's bundled with a campaign (which ill never play).

That said, go with the guy with the best faction effects. Those are only given by your starting lord.

In other news, Eternal Crusade just added the WAAAAAGH! They're underpowered and need rebalancing, and I cant see shit when I'm shooting because the muzzle flash and lack of accuracy, but goddamn I'm having fun with them. So many bullets, so much explosions.
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From what I heard the voicework on them is more muted then it should be as well.
Also, is there any trouble finding matches in that?
 
Corypheus said:
From what I heard the voicework on them is more muted then it should be as well.
Also, is there any trouble finding matches in that?
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Not during primetime, but I'm NA East Coast so that's true of almost any game.

Also Evil Sunz or GTFO.
 
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