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MembersSchoolPizza said:
Primaris space marines? Are these as hated by players as I hate them? They seem like nothing but an excuse to sell slightly tweaked space marine minis to players who already had space marines. And the lore behind them seems fucking retarded. The only thing that would redeem them to me is if they pulled a "Haha, they really are heretek abominations after all" plot twist, but I know GW won't do that, because they wanna sell more minis.
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primaris is a super special GW term, space marine is not, you can get the rest.

if you got a printer look beyond GW for models, since you won't be able to play with anything printed officially anyway. check out the maker's cult (cults3d in general has a lot of w40k styled models). one page rules has some nice races too - also rules if you don't want to deal with current mess of official w40k rules and don't wanna wait till summer (also nice to to see how much they gonna crib from it).
there's also nebula from castnplay if play if you wanna get more into tabletop starcraft.

ForTheHoard said:
I just finished my 3d printed Nightbringer proxy.
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have you tried clear resin for the base?
 
Inquisitor_BadAss said:
Nope not forgeworld at all it’s this weeks made to order minis direct from games workshop itself. Pewter cast heavy weapon teams for nearly as much and most centre piece models, anybody who actually buys these and not 3D print them they deserve to be homeless.
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The Consoom Product doom loop can be avoided with this one easy trick: buy things because you like them and want them, not for the dopamine hit of buying something new.
 
ZMOT said:
if you got a printer look beyond GW for models, since you won't be able to play with anything printed officially anyway. check out the maker's cult (cults3d in general has a lot of w40k styled models). one page rules has some nice races too - also rules if you don't want to deal with current mess of official w40k rules and don't wanna wait till summer (also nice to to see how much they gonna crib from it).
there's also nebula from castnplay if play if you wanna get more into tabletop starcraft.
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Well, I mean, sometimes I like the GW aesthetic. I've never really found "not-Space Marines" that I like as well as actual space marines. That's where I ran into the Primaris issue... Now we've got new dreadnauts that look different, etc. Ah well. My two favorite factions are Space Wolves, which are fun to decorate, and Grey Knights... And Grey Knights, as far as I understand, don't have Primaris. Yet, any way. But for other things I've found things I do like... I'm thinking about an AdMech army using mostly Station Forge Scavengers.

The next time I play "officially sanctioned" Warhammer will be the first time, and I don't plan to start. So I have no concern with using printed models.


Meat Target said:
The Consoom Product doom loop can be avoided with this one easy trick: buy things because you like them and want them, not for the dopamine hit of buying something new.
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Well, GW makes it hard. Their whole business model is finding ways to sell you things. As many times as possible, as often as possible.
 
GeigerNeiger said:
I think that's just a symptom of them being the newest race introduced to current 40k.

The tau had the exact same problem, they seemed out of line with the grimdark aesthetic and story beats of 40k. But over time they grew in popularity, and their lore expanded to show them to not be as noblebright as they initially started out. Ethereals are basically the 40k equivalent of ZOG, non tau species are discriminated or sterilised, in their psychic awakening book they literally cultivated a genestealer cult in one of their worlds to see what would happen.

With time, I see LoV catching up on the grimdark aesthetic they're missing out on, give them time to expand their lore, get more models. I can see LoV going down the path of being these emotionless merchants that they already kind of are, having no qualms with dealing weaponry and resources to any faction, no matter how evil, so long as they get paid.
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Making the Tau grimdark to make imperial simps happy is not a good thing
 
iceteayo said:
Making the Tau grimdark to make imperial simps happy is not a good thing
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I wouldn't say they've been made Grimdark, they're still one of the nicest factions in 40k. I'd say they've been slightly tuned to fit the overall grimdarkness of 40k as a whole, after all, it's only the ethereals who've been made grimdark, all other major characters are still "good guys", like Farsight, Shadowsun, etc.
 
ZMOT said:
have you tried clear resin for the base?
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I have a few bottles of transparent resin in blue, green, and red. I usually don't print entire models out of it, but if it will add some flair to accessories I'll use it. I recently printed a unit of Tzaangors for a friend and I did all the shields and weapons in transparent blue. Painting wise, transparent resin looks really good with just highlights. I printed a flame sprite for a DnD game in transparent red and went back over it with light yellow and orange highlights and it looked pretty legit. I'm eventually going to use the green to print gauss blast weapon effects for some of my necron models.

I printed the Nightbringer model before I owned any of the clear stuff. Looking back, doing the base and the block sections in transparent blue would have looked sick. Probably could have done the sickle in green. You learn as you go I guess.
 
Cpl. Long Dong Silver said:
I'm sorry but Primaris complaints are mostly from sub 6 foot manlets. Sorry the super soldiers have been super sized. Did it need a lore explanation? Nah. Was it handled right? Nah. Was it for the best? Yes.
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Resizing models creates some balance issues. Necron wraiths are a good example. The wraith kits you can buy now are significantly larger than the old models and create a lot more line of sight issues. The old models are still tournament legal (I think) but out of production, meaning if you already owned them, you gain an advantage over people using the newer model. Having the ability to move through terrain compounds that problem as you can tuck the models behind a wall without losing movement while advancing on your next turn.

I don't play space marines so I kind of don't care either way.
 
Meat Target said:
Not to mention that the process of assembling and painting is fun. Making it your own is a big part of what makes the hobby so addicting.
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I know more than one person who has whole cases of armies and barely, if ever, actually play the game.

That's why I'm interested in printing minis, to be honest. Paint me up some army mans.
 
iceteayo said:
Making the Tau grimdark to make imperial simps happy is not a good thing
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Tau being Noble Bright just doesn't fit the setting, the galaxy is brutal and the various factions are where they are now mainly because there every attempt of correction backfired apocalyptically.
Like the Imperium being xenophobic and harsh on mutants isn't because the Emperor is evil, but because nearly in every case the xenos backstabbed humanity to get on top, while mutants are inherently chaos corrupted and, in the cases where they are stable, will also try to replace baseline humanity. The Emperor came to the conclusion that co-existance isn't worth the risk.

And in any fiction, having a character/faction that ignores the rules and complications of the setting is inherently mary sue-ish.
MembersSchoolPizza said:
Because now you have more, very very slightly different models of basically the same thing to buy from GW for even more moneys?
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Unless the old models are invalidated for use or aggressively nerfed compared to the newest shit does it matter? A lot of the drama was that regular SM get "replaced" which is bad for some reason.
 
Do people not understand that primaris kits are a downgrade because they are all aggressively monoposed and a pain in the ass to do anything with? Not to mention most of them are the blandest looking space marines ever conceived and you get shit like desolation squads and buggies?

People shit on centurions but those guys are 10000% more kino then most of the primaris marine models.

Though this is a dead horse and it looks like they might be getting rid of the distinction in 10th so it doesnt matter outside the kits being way more restrictive and bland.
 
Love Machine said:
Rogal Dorn was said to have died in the eye of terror aboard The Sword of Sacrilege. But they only have a hand to prove that so he is 100% alive considering the nuance of games workshop.
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Yeah Dorn got 40k version of off screen death so question is not if he comes back, but When.
As for others there are characters like Fabius Bile. He made perfect Primarch clones before. So there is uncorrupted Fulgrim who is at the moment part of Trazyns colection . There were multiple Manus clones. And even fucking Horus clone. Clonorus was killed by Abaddon. To show how "awesome" Abaddon is.

So GW can bring back anyone they wish.
 
Schizobiker said:
how do i get into this franchise
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Buy a resin 3D printer if you don't feel like remortgaging your house. I know I annoy people by saying this but IDGAF, if you're buying from GW at this point you deserve scorn and pity. Their minis are shit, half arsed and overpriced. You can get the smaller resin printers for about the price you'd pay for 2k points of your favourite army. Around £150 to £200. You can print a full squad of infantry for between £1-£2 and a whole army for the price of a 1L bottle of resin. Which fluctuates between £25-£27 depending on brand on Amazon. Avoid the Games Workshop shops too. The employees are massive cunts and will try to push you to buy stuff to meet quotas. And two of the shops I went into recently wouldn't even let you play the damn game other than demo games of the starter set. So the entire point of their shops as a meeting place to play the game is invalid and frankly they might as well not exist if that's the case. Just go straight online.

As a comparison here are some MK2 Heresy Era marines I printed recently. You'd get them from Forge World and pay up the arse for them. But they cost me £1.50 for everything for one squad including special weapons and a Captain HQ unit.

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wtfNeedSignUp said:
Tau being Noble Bright just doesn't fit the setting, the galaxy is brutal and the various factions are where they are now mainly because there every attempt of correction backfired apocalyptically.
Like the Imperium being xenophobic and harsh on mutants isn't because the Emperor is evil, but because nearly in every case the xenos backstabbed humanity to get on top, while mutants are inherently chaos corrupted and, in the cases where they are stable, will also try to replace baseline humanity. The Emperor came to the conclusion that co-existance isn't worth the risk.

And in any fiction, having a character/faction that ignores the rules and complications of the setting is inherently mary sue-ish.

Unless the old models are invalidated for use or aggressively nerfed compared to the newest shit does it matter? A lot of the drama was that regular SM get "replaced" which is bad for some reason.
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One faction that goes against the inherent themes of a setting is good but you still have retards listing off Dawn of war 1 endings as a great source to own the tau. It’s been 20 years they are more true to 40k at this point than you can admit.

Also just turning them into the covenant from halo is not a good answer too.
 
Steinercard said:
Buy a resin 3D printer if you don't feel like remortgaging your house. I know I annoy people by saying this but IDGAF, if you're buying from GW at this point you deserve scorn and pity. Their minis are shit, half arsed and overpriced.
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I always find it funny how people bring up this shit, acting like there aren't any 3rd party stores that sell GW fo cheaper or with good discounts, implying you can buy ONLY from GW.
 
To be frank the whole monopose thing stopped being an issue to me as soon as I became competent with milliput/greenstuff and pinning.
As far as non-grimdark factions go, the Votan stick out just as much as the Tau fishpeople.
 
The tired cat said:
I always find it funny how people bring up this shit, acting like there aren't any 3rd party stores that sell GW fo cheaper or with good discounts, implying you can buy ONLY from GW.
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This isn't the checkmate you think it is. Even with discounts, third party sellers have to inflate the price to meet GW's wholesale price. Which just increased by a large factor to discourage third party sellers. So it's the same bullshit. And still overpriced. Even if it's not the fault of the third party sellers it's still a bad deal for the consumer compared to 3D printing your own minis and using OPR which is free.
 
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