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Imagine this, you're a group of Imperial Fists who have just made landfall on Sebastus IV trying to get back at those filthy traitors. Only to be surpised where your air support and reinforcements are completely cut off by the enemy warships, you're inside a 20 mile deathtrap full of barbed wire, trenches, and other bullshit. To top it all off those speakers that the Primarch of Bitterness start playing this.
I was listening to this song and the lyrics made me think of Pertuabo's one sided rivalry with Dorn
 
TVBForever said:
Ted 2 - What the Fuck [HD].mp4
My god, that even sounds worse
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Well, unlike the typical band of Spess Mehrines the Salamanders are encouraged to get out there and associate with the normies and at least pretend to be somewhat human instead of hiding out in a Fortress-Monastery all the time and being spooky, mysterious, and insular. So their asexuality is a matter of debate, especially since all of the Marines in a given Chapter tend to be recruited from the same city, and would therefore all know the best places to drink, eat hot wings, and pick up chicks. They may also be the only Chapter capable of drinking Space Wolves under the table simply due to their sheer size.
Evil Peter Griffin said:
Technically they're doing black face.
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Na. Your typical Nocturnean is also dark-skinned as a result of the hellish conditions on that place (melanin does protect the skin from exposure to certain things after all), so the color isn't a mutation inherent to the Salamanders, but instead natural selection at work as a result of living on a radioactive ball of molten lava.
Corporate Gigachad said:
And there we have it folks, the LGBTQWERTYUIOP[]ASDFGHJKL;'ZXCVBNM,./ representation
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We've had it for god knows how long with the Emperor's Children. Apparently when they tried to exorcise the daemon from Fulgrim (while of course not knowing he had already mentally punched it into submission), a large amount of sexual torture was done, and of course Fulgrim being Fulgrim enjoyed it all. "You thought you were anally violating a foul daemon but it was actually me, Fulgrim, all along!"
 
Snekposter said:
Na. Your typical Nocturnean is also dark-skinned as a result of the hellish conditions on that place (melanin does protect the skin from exposure to certain things after all), so the color isn't a mutation inherent to the Salamanders, but instead natural selection at work as a result of living on a radioactive ball of molten lava.
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So why is Vulkan onyx black then? He's not a native of Nocturne, but rather a foreigner to the planet's genealogy. Similarly, is Jaghatai Khan just a white guy posing as Chogoris-Asian? Or is he perhaps the only Asian with geneseed that turns Chogorisians and other White Scars Asian? Considering that it's well known for Space Marines to grow into facial features resembling their gene-father.

Or I suppose the Primarchs could've been deposited on planetary populations that coincidentally match their physical features because "Chaos, lol".
 
One lore aspect that has come to bug me is the lack of variety and creativity in naming. The similarities can be confusing.

I know the differences now that I'm deeper into the hobby, but think about it:
  • Dark Angels/Blood Angels
  • Space Wolves/Luna Wolves
  • Death Guard/Deathwatch/Death Korps
  • Iron Warriors/Iron Hands/Imperial Fists
  • Grey Knights, who are *not* in Knight mechas
  • Primarch/Primaris
And then there are characters who were evidently named by Patrick Tomlinson; "Sly Marbo", "Julius Kaesoron", "Ferrus Manus", etc. Wouldn't surprise me if a future novel has a planetary governor or High Lord of Terra named "Fonald Plump".

I get that it's dudebro pulp designed to sell toys, not high literature, but c'mon. Do better than that.
 
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Luna Wolves at least has a lore element to their name that's cool. If you want to see laziness, look up all the chapters with the word "Knights" in their name, or how most Blood Angel successors have to have "Blood" in their name.
 
StevieLasVegas said:
Luna Wolves at least has a lore element to their name that's cool. If you want to see laziness, look up all the chapters with the word "Knights" in their name, or how most Blood Angel successors have to have "Blood" in their name.
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By his blood!
 
I can understand bitching about not getting the Starter set to an extent, but that old addage "fool me once shame on you" and so on applies here. GW have been pulling this shit for years now. It's forced artificial scarcity. I got off that tredmill after a HH box I can't even remember sold out before I could get it and I realised I was a dog chasing a carrot on a stick. It's a bullshit fake problem and I just don't understand why people still seek to consoom these starter sets knowing they're going to have to deal with all this bollocks. If you don't want to 3D print that's cool, no one is forcing you to. But I will say I've never had to deal with bullshit like not getting the box set I wanted because Poos bought up all the boxes in a nanosecond. That's not to say 3D printing doesn't have it's own annoyances though. But at least give recasts a go at this point, guys. GW don't deserve your money.

Also here's my autism on 10th. I wanted to like it. I want a simpler and less bloated 40k with a greater focus on casual but reasonably balanced play. I don't mind competitive options but I do believe the focus should be on casual play with competition as an option. Same as video games shouldn't focus on E-sports or streamers.

There are several attempts to get 10th closer to what I'd like. The reduction of stats and keywords to remember is a god(emperor)send. But I just can't shake the sense that the game was designed by different groups of designers who didn't communicate with each other. Which has lead to the common critique I see that balance and power levels (not the alternate points system the actual power and effectiveness of the units) is all over the place. And I just keep thinking this game would've benefited from a single senior designer with a cohesive vision. Which is how Warhammer started. It was the work of one or two guys with suggestions from other designers. But you could see 4th ed WFB had an identity and consistant design goals different from 8th ed WFB. Same with 40k although that's when the multi designer rot started tbh with 6th ed 40k onwards.

I hope GW can turn it around. Maybe even release 10.5 edition as free errata that cleans everything up and makes things more consistant. But until then, me and my group are sticking with One Page Rules as our casual weekly game. It does a lot of what I wanted 10th to do anyway. And if 10th never changes at least I'll have OPR.
 
Steinercard said:
I can understand bitching about not getting the Starter set to an extent, but that old addage "fool me once shame on you" and so on applies here. GW have been pulling this shit for years now. It's forced artificial scarcity.
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Indomitus was on print to order for 2 weeks, and they had to print so many extra it screwed the release schedule for almost a year, and they printed more Leviathan. It's the most printed 40k set ever.

The issue is demand...

Cause they charge way too fucking much for plastic normally. The launch boxes are the only time they give really big discounts, like 60-75% off buying kits individually. The price is probably what GW Models should be, and so there is a huge demand. If 3 Gravis marines weren't $60 fucking dollars, people wouldn't be scrambling to buy $700 of minis for $250.
 
Polyboros2 said:
Indomitus was on print to order for 2 weeks, and they had to print so many extra it screwed the release schedule for almost a year, and they printed more Leviathan. It's the most printed 40k set ever.

The issue is demand...

Cause they charge way too fucking much for plastic normally. The launch boxes are the only time they give really big discounts, like 60-75% off buying kits individually. The price is probably what GW Models should be, and so there is a huge demand. If 3 Gravis marines weren't $60 fucking dollars, people wouldn't be scrambling to buy $700 of minis for $250.
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Those prices still aren't all that reasonable. They're just cheaper. I still remember the days of £70 starter sets that had the exact same amount of minis as the current starter set. People will disagree but I still think that kids should be able to afford the minis with their pocket money. Even if it's just single minis and basic blister packs. I think spending over £100 on any amount of minis is robbery but I know people will disagree with that with the "muh packaging and mini sculpt costs" as if GW are selling these minis barely at profit as opposed to the huge mark up they actually are. Even with inflation. Just look at other companies. Kings of War is pretty reasonable. But no one plays it because of GW's monopoly on the hobby. X-Wing was a serious competitor for all of 3 years before boomer dads forgot about it. It's just sad to see GW continue to price gouge.
 
ZMOT said:
but seriously, grab the complete rules for OPR and plug in whatever models you like, warhammer or whatever, than move on to 10e or whatever
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OPR 3.0 will hopefully be out in a month or 2, so should be an ideal moment to get people to try it while 10th keeps burning in a hole.
 
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