Warhammer 40k

[LORD IMPERATOR]

Shouldn't be a problem, what little money they earn goes to hormones, surgeries and trying to take down the kiwifarms. Ain't no way trannies as a demographic will ever have the same level of disposable income as those icky right-wing neckbeards.

That can change if some rich assholes decide to give them free money.

I don't know... there's some merit in what you're saying, but there was a very clear and obvious shift from GWs side to paint the Space Marines in a more heroic light and that came largely from a business perspective of them wanting to break into the mainstream and the mainstream finding simple good guys vs bad guys a lot more easy to get then endless shades of grey.

That shift happened because people liked the Space Marines and kept buying their stuff. Then pro-Space Marine authors got into GW's writing team and started writing pro-Imperium stories, hence why Rick Priestley got pissed. At the end of the day, it was fan-driven; GW was only chasing the money by appealing to Space Marine fans.

Remember there use to be a time in 40K lore that not worshipping the Emperor was the exception for Space Marines, now it's the exceptions that go literally see the Emperor as a actual god. That wasn't fans that made that switch, it was GW.

GW doesn't really have an opinion of their own. The fans want the Space Marines to be heroes and for the Emperor to be a legit god, the OG authors and some left-leaning fans want the Emperor to be a false idol and want the Space Marines to be seen as evil, GW just pays lip service to the latter while mooching off the former. GW's like a hooker. She'll tell you want you want to hear, or do what you want her to do, for a price.

I don't much care about the pro-Imperium narrative. I find it repetitive and unfunny, in the "lulz kek" kind of way that 4chan so adores.
However, I'd much rather keep any leftoid brainlets trying to infect yet another hobby with their "everything's politcal™" hullabaloo away thank you very much.

40K was political from the start; it was originally a leftist condemnation of the Middle Ages' Age of Faith and the 1800s' industrialization, what with manufactorums and people slaving away in them, while Space Marines who act like medieval knightly orders are fighting alongside a literal Inquisition. Then GW figured out that they'd make more money selling a more direct good-vs-evil story, especially since people like how the Space Marines look, so they slowly shifted it to that and made the Imperium into anti-heroes.

 

[Mikoyan]

Space Marines who act like medieval knightly orders are fighting alongside a literal Inquisition.

And then that wasn't on the nose enough for them, so they got Knights. Though I think that had less to do with narrative steering as much as imagining the sheer number of minis they could sell.

 

[Snekposter]

And then that wasn't on the nose enough for them, so they got Knights. Though I think that had less to do with narrative steering as much as imagining the sheer number of minis they could sell.

The Knights and the Knight Worlds were actually a really old thing that got brought back, much like the Squats, although without the total Inquisitorial purge of any and all mention of them that GW is pretending never happened. I believe the first modern mention of the Knights was in Mechanicum with the Knights of Taranis.

 

[Alter Ego]

Remember there use to be a time in 40K lore that not worshipping the Emperor was the exception for Space Marines, now it's the exceptions that go literally see the Emperor as a actual god. That wasn't fans that made that switch, it was GW.

Are you sure you're talking about 40k proper and not the Horus Heresy, which exploded in story content over the past twenty years and has become the dominant era of lore discussion among fans? It's not as if the secular Emperor of the Great Crusade and Horus Heresy is a recent notion, either. I can look as far back as 2nd Edition to see it explicitly stated that Imperial Cult came into fruition after the Emperor's ascension to the Golden Throne.

EDIT: On further note, at my point of reading about two-thirds the way through the Horus Heresy series (2016), it appears to me that non-Chaos religious affiliation, whether it's the proto-Imperial Cult via the Lectitio Divinitatus or something else entirely, is used to mark out characters for particular sympathy or heroism, prominently exemplified with Nathaniel Garro and Ollanius Persson. It remains a setting where faith has tangible power and the Emperor does, in fact, protect. The Sisters of Battle also got a huge revamp and push as a full modern faction in 2019 while maintaining their upmost religious character, much to the appreciation of fans. So while I'm sure GW does have interest in 40k penetrating the mainstream as a multimedia IP, I don't think their plans involves secularizing it.

The Knights and the Knight Worlds were actually a really old thing that got brought back, much like the Squats, although without the total Inquisitorial purge of any and all mention of them that GW is pretending never happened. I believe the first modern mention of the Knights was in Mechanicum with the Knights of Taranis.

The Imperial Knights of the novel Mechanicum indeed just slightly predate the modern Knights we know with a significantly different appears to show for it: big, see-through canopies and a vague array of weaponry including lasers. Since the first Codex: Imperial Knights came out six years later, it might be the case that Mechanicum spurred interest in the development of what would become the popular Knight Questoris model. Mechancium also featured a lot of Skitarii before their visual appearance was firmly established.

 

[Snekposter]

The Imperial Knights of the novel Mechanicum indeed just slightly predate the modern Knights we know with a significantly different appears to show for it: big, see-through canopies and a vague array of weaponry including lasers. Since the first Codex: Imperial Knights came out six years later, it might be the case that Mechanicum spurred interest in the development of what would become the popular Knight Questoris model. Mechancium also featured a lot of Skitarii before their visual appearance was firmly established.

Yeah, that's what I thought. Personally I wish we had gotten the Skitarii in Titanicus over the ones we got. Not that they aren't neat, but the idea of a bunch of quasi-feral cybered-up shock troopers like something out of grimdark cyberpunk is far more interesting than Cowboys of Cydonia.

 

[Mikoyan]

Yeah, that's what I thought. Personally I wish we had gotten the Skitarii in Titanicus over the ones we got. Not that they aren't neat, but the idea of a bunch of quasi-feral cybered-up shock troopers like something out of grimdark cyberpunk is far more interesting than Cowboys of Cydonia.

I'm half and half on it. The shock troopers idea is cool but I think 40k has if anything too many types of 'this person has been turned into a nigh-unthinking killing machine by <insert branch of the Imperium here>' already. The admech already have the Kataphron as an extreme example.

As for Knights: You're right. I'm always surprised just how far back they go because my direct experience is sooooo old.

 

[Inquisitor_BadAss]

WIP Chaplain



I’m really happy how its turned out so far, and outside of a few highlights and the shoulder pads it’s just about finished.

 

[wtfNeedSignUp]

Yeah, that's what I thought. Personally I wish we had gotten the Skitarii in Titanicus over the ones we got. Not that they aren't neat, but the idea of a bunch of quasi-feral cybered-up shock troopers like something out of grimdark cyberpunk is far more interesting than Cowboys of Cydonia.

I always took that as another variation to the skitarii by someone who wanted to go the Night Lords approach.

Anyways, the series satire angle was always dumb. Unless it's satirising Warhammer Fantasy by exaggerating it, nothing in it really mocks the real world, as none of the factions really mirror the real world unless you want to go retarded atheist part with blanket "religion/fascism bad". The various retcons only made it worse, the Imperium is less Fascistic than the "good guys" Tau (who skirt towards the Nazi angle WAY HARDER), and the religion is 100% justified with observable real world effects.

The writers themselves also give protagonists who are undeniably good or at least attempt to do the good thing in the best way.

 

[Male Idiot]

Hm. I kinda like the more Order vs Chaos feel. Kinda while I liked the Sith/Galactic Empire as well.

The Imperium is lawful evil vs chaotic balls to the walls crazy evil.

That said, anti-heroes and principled villians aren't a new thing, and usually get a fanclub so why this is new to leftists would be a mystery. But we know they are just retarded and sometimes literally insane.

The Tau... I'm not sure they are nazi. They feel more like the OG Aryans with a socialist bent. DO REDEEM GREATER GOOD SIR! Designated Krooting streets.
I don't know how well barbarian Skitarii work. Skitarii are mechanical cyborgs, so I think GW got it mostly right.

I think this FFG Dark Heresy and old 4-6th ed pictures are great. I love the shoulder guns and hand minigun.

I do think the 30k tanks are better though, or at least more fleshed out. 40k AM ironically has so few vehicle options as in actual tanks.

 

[Mexican_Wizard_711]

Reposting this from the Starfield thread

 

[Snekposter]

I don't know how well barbarian Skitarii work. Skitarii are mechanical cyborgs, so I think GW got it mostly right.

Basically, imagine a Magos Biologis deciding to work with existing human biological things like oh, adrenaline to create a bunch of front-line murder-troopers hopped up on their own body's supply, and flashing all sorts of spines and frills to take advantage of the emotional weaknesses of their enemies and break them even before the shooting starts.

TL;DR you've got Skitarii that look like a human crossed with that one acid spitter from Jurassic Park, complete with acid spit, and with a grenade launcher for a forearm.

Everyone forgets the AdMech has guys who pride themselves on their extensive knowledge of the galaxy's various biological flesh-machines, including humans...

 

[Male Idiot]

Yeah but that's pretty common. Emotionless killbots are more unique, shared only with crons.

 

[Imperial Citizen]

Honestly, modern Warhammer 40k is closer to the old 2000 AD comics that they copied from than they were in the past.

Stories like Judge Dredd, Strontium Dog, and Rouge Trooper are about good people working in bad systems. Dredd is an incorruptible enforcer of an oppressive regime. Johnny Alpha is a mutant forced to do bounty hunting for a society that is bigoted towards mutants. Rogue was betrayed by a traitor general, abandoned in a war of attrition. These men survive because of the system they live in and (especially in Dredd’s case) know that changing the system invites chaos but they also know that their society needs to change.

Roboute Guilliman is Warhammer’s good guy in a bad system. He can see the corruption and the brutality of the Imperium but can’t fix it. All of the institutions are afraid to lose their power and oppose reform even at the request of the son of their god. An irony that it’s the post-human, genetically designed commander of super-soldiers is more in touch with his humanity than the human leaders of the Imperium.

 

[SandyCat]

I haven't kept up much with the TV series they're producing, is there any good news or is it all shit?

 

[StevieLasVegas]

It's still in pre-production as far as I can tell. Haven't heard a peep regarding it since it was announced.

 

[Back me up!]

I haven't kept up much with the TV series they're producing, is there any good news or is it all shit?

The only news we have is that Henry Cavill is in charge of it and he loves Warhammer 40k and is willing to leave a project if writer/directors kept fucking with the lore (as what happened with The Witcher).

 

[Evil Peter Griffin]

Reposting this from the Starfield thread
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If I stop voting blue I can become a demigod super solider in power armor with space magic?

 

[Inquisitor_BadAss]

I haven't kept up much with the TV series they're producing, is there any good news or is it all shit?

Something came out in the media side of the GW website setting of rumours that the Eisenhorn series is still in the works. So I guess whichever production company was working on that may have partnered up with Amazon but at this rate I don’t see a series being released until back end of 2024 / early 2025.

 

[SandyCat]

Something came out in the media side of the GW website setting of rumours that the Eisenhorn series is still in the works. So I guess whichever production company was working on that may have partnered up with Amazon but at this rate I don’t see a series being released until back end of 2024 / early 2025.

God I hope they don't fuck it up. So sick of seeing my favorites universes turned to shit.

 

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So they're de-listing Warhammer 40k Space Wolf, no idea why but I'm guessing the developer didn't want to pay GW for the license. Surprised GW doesn't just do a revenue share for games like this, but, whatever.

Best place I found to get it is humble bundle, it's part of a developer bundle. $25 and you get Space Wolf and all the expansions, I believe.

https://www.humblebundle.com/games/herocraft-complete-collection

Checking the Steam page, there's a DLC for "exceptional cards?" and a free DLC for adding Deathwatch to the game. I'm not familiar with the title, is it some sort of roguelite card battler? Looks like if you had noticed an announcement last month it was down to like $1 for the whole set.