I'd say SoS+Custodes doing as well as GK in the lore is questionable, but that's because the lore is a mess and basically whoever the featured faction is, will get the "win" anyway. Plus I think the only real lore we have with SoS fighting with custodes in 40k, is the valerian and aleya books still, one of which is them just fighting minotaurs(yet another special snowflake marine chapter that fortunately doesn't have it's own tabletop snowflake rules). But more to my point, without them specifically fighting against GK, I would take "X > Y and Y > Z, therefore X > Z" sort of reasoning with a grain of salt(and GK didn't exist during the horus heresy stuff so we've got nothing to compare from that either).
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I don't disagree that the lore is a mess. I'm pointing out that GK should be arguably better at least in the Chaos front by a wide margin. Considering the Imperium has ten thousand Custodes but only 8 companies of Gks, with around a hundred marines in each.
I don't know if it was ever confirmed that "the ten thousand" ever got back up to those numbers. The Chris Wraight books seemed like they were implying they weren't yet back to full strength and who even knows wtf the lore is at this point for making more custodes in 40k. Also you've got dumb shit like the Dawn of Fire book series, I think it was the 2nd book where a handful of custodes and some guardsmen go deal with some iron warriors mostly easily except one custodian just getting his head crushed by an IW tank driver who just popped out for the sake of doing so, and was then just shot down by sisters of battle? Even within one book they're still inconsistent.
I do agree with you about the numbers difference, and I'd attribute that to just sending in smaller numbers of GK to go get something done as a special forces kind of thing rather than custodians who are mostly just all over the place doing their own thing. But at the same time, GW's writers also suck with numbers(ranging from trying to make things like like the equivalent of the d-day invasion of normandy with only 1/10th of the number of people involved, not understanding units of length/distance, that taking 1 city by a handful of space marines can equate to taking an entire planet, etc.) and any sort of scale for most conflicts that get beyond squad level.
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Imagine being a chapter specially designed to all be psykers and you dont even have the imperium's strongest Librarian. Sucks to suck grey cucks, BA wins again.
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With Space marines taking a planet, it could theoretically work, given a lot of Thunderhawk airlifts and ammo. But even than, GW seldom actually pulls that off competently either.
That's because Kaldor Draigo is too busy sniffing warp dust to come back! Even Ultramarines wish they could be Kaldor Draigo!
That's because Kaldor Draigo is too busy sniffing warp dust to come back! Even Ultramarines wish they could be Kaldor Draigo!
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This guy is so high on copium, doesnt even know that Mephiston has full on dbz style battles in the warp while firing final flashs at demon niggas. Nigga, kaldor draigo is still in the saiyan saga nigga. Mephiston is on some Super shit.
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A barely populated Agri world maybe. But a full chapter of 1k marines wouldn't even scratch the surface of taking and holding all the shit you'd need to take in even a single Hive city, let alone on planets with multiples. Special Forces are great for raids and the like, but there's a reason why when we wanted to capture Fallujah we sent in the Army and Marines and not the Navy Seals.
Considering those books came out in 2012 and then 2021... we could be waiting until 2030. Although since The End and the Death Part III is done, if he were waiting on that to get out the door(because that's the book where Valdor pokes Abbadon with the spear that lets him know about the future/truth/whatever) then maybe we could get that in the next year or two, but I wouldn't count on it.
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There's also the question of whether or not it will effect anything in the wider lore and or tabletop side. The way it's implied in the books is that valdor has an entire army worth of custodies, space marines, tamed deamons, and blanks in his little pocket dimension, but we have two primarchs back so a lot of people don't care what an ex captain general is up to and I don't think anyone in their right minds wants a faction/army of "chaos custodies" as a few anons have jokingly put it
I might put money on Abnett killing him off or GW using their new favorite method of getting named characters or plotlines out of the way, shoving it in Trazyn's vault never to be seen again
That's certainly a problem considering how far back the bequin books are in the overall timeline compared to the "current" stuff with the indomitus crusade. And no, I don't see anyone wanting that as an army either. I don't think trazyn would be involved in this particular shit-canning of characters, but since they're already involved with a pocket dimension and their weird cognitae plot hasn't shown up anywhere else except(what's her name that got picked up by the wordbearers, wound up as a psyker, eventually got called "Actae" then got mind melded with Kat, in the last siege of terra book she said her name was Lilean Chase) but then Abnett has been trying to make Samus a "thing" and shoehorned that into that same book as well so who the hell even knows at this point.
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Nah, at least with the books, a marine could theoretically do it, sometimes they aren't described like in the tabletop, but more like a cross between a superhero and a killing machine. It would still require them constant ammo supplies. Like put a teleporter homer down and have ammo to be shipped in constantly. The big problem would still be that nothing would be holding territory, so they would just need to play whack a mole for days.
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The iron hands get their first 30k character model aside from ferrus...
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The stroke-face is fitting for a son of Ferrus.
Honestly though, it’s good he’s generic enough to be repurposed as an IH Praetor.
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You've mixed up two different characters as Actae/Kat give their name as Moriana and the name of the archivist in the Halls of Leng who was with Sinderman and Mauler, was Lilean Chase.
Should mention that Abnett had stated in an interview which I think was for one of the Bequin novels that he'd put an idea to the GW higher up's that would impact the 40k setting in a massive way and they were all for it and I think it was to set up this "cold war" between the proto-Inquisition and the eventual Cognitae, reflecting the dispute with Olanius and The Emp at the tower of Babel about using Enuncia to beat Chaos.
Moriana was introduced in Black Legion as a seer to Abaddon, stating she was there at the beginning of it all, was part of the original Inquisition and her identity was unknown until End and the Death part 3, with one of Malcador's chosen also being named Moriana.
Sinderman is known to be one of the founders of the Inquisition from the "War of the Beast" series and as mentioned above was hiding with, explaining and searching info with Lilean Chase, who is attributed to being one of the founders of the Cognitae in Abnett's Eisenhorn/Ravenor/Bequin series and we have now seen it's origins as one of the books named in End and the Death was "Primer of Enuncia".
Enuncia is described as the language of creation as shown to be used as a weapon against Chaos, Cognitae have been trying to build a library of it and the Inquisition have been out to stop them.
Believe Abnett does have something coming out later this year but don't know if it's the last part of Bequin trilogy or next part of Gaunt's Ghosts.
Right... I forgot about the archivist. Those books were such a fucking mess in terms of the 50 characters constantly being referenced(although not as bad as some of the 40k books at times), and the constant recycling of names or using similar names and characters showing up purely for the sake of making an appearance.
But this is also a book where they represent part of the fight with the emperor as the damned yugioh battles from TTS for fucks sake. Yes I'm aware it was supposed to be an abstraction of what was observed from the corrupted perspective of Horus but come on.
Regarding Abnett's next book, they'll probably announce it at adepticon during the 2 hours GW has set aside for their reveals.
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It will suck major balls for sure. Matt Ward would have been a better choice. It will make less sense thsn most anime plots.
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I didn't see it as much as a mess as others, instead that a lot of it was understandable as to why characters/plots were inserted.
Whether they paid off or not is subjective to the reader-isn't the point here, only the why, especially when taking into account Abnett was proposing to GW was to"shake the foundations of the setting".
Now after the main HH and Siege novels have been released, seems to me that his idea was about filling the gaps/expanding of a central mythology he created/set up via his Inquisition series, and developing/backfilling it throughout the HH series.
The current theory is Valdor is the King in Yellow, personally don't think it will be him, even after his revelation from seeing the future but could see Valdor assisting the King being either a perpetual; as not sure why Olanius couldn't regenerate when Horus swiped him, Gramaticus who was last seen time hopping, a Primarch-Dorn would be obvious choice for the colour but could be Russ with the King in Yellow being a name corrupted by time like others Abnett used. The extreme tie everything together would be the shard of the Emp being actually reborn in a child, which has been presented in the Dawn of Fire series
Using primarily the theme about the "Cold War" with Inquisition and Cognitae over the 10,000 years upto present 40k in the Eisenhorn/Ravenor/Bequin series , the different aspects of Inquisitorial philosophy Amalalthian, Horusian etc has actually been a longer running dispute over how to fight Chaos and was the basis for the original schism of thought between those who wanted to use Enuncia or Chaos against itself, which was Actae's position, mirrored by Abaddon's "Control, not Controlled".
We know the proto-Inquisition founding members are all around the Imperial Palace at the immediate end of the Siege so the idea of using all means to fight back will be tolerated but as the Scouring winds down-approx 200 years and the Echlesiarchy's rise, this is the likely split from the original members positions with possibly Moriana and Chase both each going separate ways, or Sinderman casting them out as with him being faithful, can see him having the political position to do so whereas knowing Sinderman is over 1k in age when he cops it in the War of the Beast, he recognises the inevitably of the above philosophies so can no longer excise it and which is why by 40k time, these approaches are "acceptable".
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I jusr don't think 40k needed a shakeup, and I am sure it will be current year. Erda, anyone?
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Erda is incredibly based when you think about it. Everything wrong with the setting is a result of a woman moment to end all women moments. I also don't know if Bequin is set at current date 40k to justify it changing things up. The higher ups at most would want chaos custodes/evil inquisition models to sell