Warhammer 40k

[FedPostalService]

Nothing could possibly persuade you that Warhammer is going woke or that GW is taking a nosedive. Be it by their own hand, Amazon bending them to their will or Blackrock buying them out, or whatever else, GW is going woke because woke is what it means to be mainstream, but you're inconvincible of that fact and have hostility to any opposing viewpoints, probably solely on the basis of your personal politics. You've made it clear that GW can do no wrong by you and you'll attack any criticism of the company or try to dismiss any sign that the company is embracing woke politics, and the truth is that my source doesn't matter because the facts are the real problem.

"This book is two years old, what does that prove?"

That the rot has been sinking in for longer than we knew? That the whole point of this throwaway line in this two year old book is to test the waters before going further, to hide in plain sight, to incrementally insert woke politics in an IP that had none of it, ect.

I could go on, but what's the point?

Blackrock hasn’t bought them out, they own less than 15% of shares. Get a new conspiracy theory.

 

[LORD IMPERATOR]

Blackrock hasn’t bought them out, they own less than 15% of shares. Get a new conspiracy theory.

They don't need to. Like I said, GW was woke from the start.

 

[MarvinTheParanoidAndroid]

Blackrock hasn’t bought them out, they own less than 15% of shares. Get a new conspiracy theory.

I like how your refutation is taking an example I gave in a list of hypothetical reasons and using it to ignore the overall point being made, because it was the only assailable thing you could refute. My expectations are too high, evidently.

 

[Male Idiot]

But you couldn't tell that to the original 40K writers, who portrayed the Emperor as a man of science who despised faith

No. The Emperor in Rogue Trader was just a regular man more similar to Dune's emperors. The religion was a sham, and what later became primarchs were just human generals. It was just Dune mixed in with Warhammer Fantasy. Space marines were roided up ex-criminals with big hands. Perhaps part of going bigger was avoiding lolsuits as well as realising that their heckin satire (which should be a banned artform, just because of how shitty it is) didn't sell.

The Emperor being a fedora redditor was added with the 30k Horus Heresy series.

1st edition was a jank drug trip that is a lame and gay version of Space King. Dune, WHF, 2000AD, Starship troopers the book, all just mixed in.

The initial chapters that rebelled with general Horus were renamed Treacherous Legions. The Emperor died confronting him, but was put on ice to bullshit the masses (like christians do with their jewish overlords) and the Orks were based on nazis. That's right white humie boy, we wuz da real nazis all along. The orks didn't start as a jab at africans but as a jab at germans, like how Tolkien's orcs were that.

 

[FedPostalService]

I like how your refutation is taking an example I gave in a list of hypothetical reasons and using it to ignore the overall point being made, because it was the only assailable thing you could refute. My expectations are too high, evidently.

If you want serious business analysis pay me. If not, get over yourself, faggot.

 

[MarvinTheParanoidAndroid]

No. The Emperor in Rogue Trader was just a regular man more similar to Dune's emperors. The religion was a sham, and what later became primarchs were just human generals. It was just Dune mixed in with Warhammer Fantasy. Space marines were roided up ex-criminals with big hands.

The Emperor being a fedora redditor was added with the 30k Horus Heresy series.

And even then it wasn't because "Crusades bad" but because of the nature of the Warp and the Chaos Gods, which is ironic because humanity's worship of the Emperor is an instrumental defense mechanism against the Ruinous Powers.

If you want serious business analysis pay me. If not, get over yourself, faggot.

So you just have contempt of discussion in general, good to know that your posts are purposely worthless.

 

[Male Idiot]

Plus, yeah sure whales may keep them afloat, but what is there to keep whales from migrating? Maybe I am wrong and there are legions of brave and stunning transwomen ready to quit HRT just to save up for their female marine armies.

And even then it wasn't because "Crusades bad" but because of the nature of the Warp and the Chaos Gods, which is ironic because humanity's worship of the Emperor is an instrumental defense mechanism against the Ruinous Powers.

So you just have contempt of discussion in general, good to know that your posts are purposely worthless.

That's real 3-7th ed and new nuhammer.

Rogue Trader's imperial religion was like christianity, a sham. It had zero power against Chaos. Chaos was real but the Imperials weren't. That's why Chaos worked, and the Eye of Terror was unrelated to Chaos. It was just a galactic frontier that was hard to reach.

Sisters of battle had no faith powers, but were larger than space marines. But there were hive gangers larger than space marines, who were more like terran marines from Starcraft. They weren't really the giant supersoldiers of later iterations. Just roided mooks. And their ships were like giant robot wasps. Yes it was janky as Sonichu. Orks weren't also as tall and big as they are, just dumb football hooligan germans. Uncivilised and barely human compared to brits.

The Imperium's Emperor magic, the Emperor being immortal, and related to space marines, primarchs, all that came with 2-3rd ed finetuning.

3rd ed Horus Heresy was what cemented Chaos and the Heresy's relationship, and in that version the Space Marines were aware of Chaos, and faithful to their Emperor.

 

[The tired cat]

So you just have contempt of discussion in general, good to know that your posts are purposely worthless.

Pot meet kettle.

 

[FedPostalService]

So you just have contempt of discussion in general, good to know that your posts are purposely worthless.

Again, get over yourself, faggot.

 

[Atypical Dog]

1st edition was a jank drug trip that is a lame and gay version of Space King. Dune, WHF, 2000AD, Starship troopers the book, all just mixed in.

Ilyan Nastase the half-Eldar Ultramarines Chief Librarian, dancing Ultramarines, Inquisitor Obi-Wan Sherlock Clousseau, and the deodorant Land Speeder model need to come back, though.

 

[Male Idiot]

Ilyan Nastase the half-Eldar Ultramarines Chief Librarian, dancing Ultramarines, Inquisitor Obi-Wan Sherlock Clousseau, and the deodorant Land Speeder model need to come back, though.

Ilyan is back as a regular eldar working for Girlyman.
Dancing ultramarines may come back, though I am not sure the old iteration stood the test of time. It is homo-chudrotic and a bit too on the nose for Amazon.
Deodorant speeder and janky speeder with 2 front seats with hanging marines are back from Forge World.
Inquisitor Obiwan would need a Disney collab. Maybe for Kenobi Season 2? The Emperor could meet baby Yoda too, think of the soycups that could be sold!
If they made Reeva a custodes, they could at least sell her action figures as repurposed models.

Speaking of fans staying, how is Duke Nukem 4 or 5 coming?

 

[MarvinTheParanoidAndroid]

Pot meet kettle.

Glass house, meet stone.

 

[ShitLurker]

40K politics is a retarded topic. A Fantasy Sci Fi doesn't represent shit in the real world, and in-universe no real world philosophy is represented in the Imperium

It's more that they MAY have intended to have it be a metaphore of X. But the context is so detached from the real world parallel, that it just does not apply. The classic Xmen comparison where if it was intended as a gay metaphore, it fails miserably at it since certain mutants can destroy a city in a chimpout and gays are only destroying your ass if you are a child or a confused guy going into a bathhouse.

Same deal with the 40K universe, a military empire based on tradition and superstition seems a lot more necessary when the local crazy hobo can open a daemon portal from his mad ramblings. That most alien races see you as chaff to manipulate in the best of cases and food/target practice in many more does not help.

You mean I’ve been sacrificing psykers in the name of the Emperor for nothing? Oh, god. What if the police find out?

Well, it depends on the psyker. Was it gypsies with crystal balls?

We've already shown Arch to be completely full of shit previously in the thread. Can you at least summarize the video so we don't have to hear his RRRRRRRetarded accent?

I've tried listening to him, but he has a bad case of smug faggot voice. It's very hard to go through even when I agree.

They were just that bad at satire that many fans didn't see it and just saw the Imperium as justified. It's like with Rorschach and Watchmen where the average normie likes the guy even though author Alan Moore designed him to be a negative stereotype of every right-wing superhero in comics.

It's not even bad satire. It's that their perspective of morality is so detached from the other side that they cannot concieve that what they deem aborrent traits would be considered desireable to others.

Yeah, most of the Black Library stuff that I came across felt kind more in line with an corny B movie than anything else.

Always was. I was not aware that the BL was already so pozzed and has been for years because it's just a content mill that I imagine pays pennies. People are suddenly paying attention but no surprise it went under the radar for so long.

They hit gold with the Heresy line though they choked it hard. I'm still surprised that I read so many books about it and I tapped out at around 10.

 

[The tired cat]

Always was. I was not aware that the BL was already so pozzed and has been for years because it's just a content mill that I imagine pays pennies. People are suddenly paying attention but no surprise it went under the radar for so long.

They hit gold with the Heresy line though they choked it hard. I'm still surprised that I read so many books about it and I tapped out at around 10.

The most fun 40k books I found were the Ork ones that over the top and fun, and still wanna read/listen Ciaphas Cain series.

 

[ShitLurker]

The most fun 40k books I found were the Ork ones that over the top and fun, and still wanna read/listen Ciaphas Cain series.

That was probably the real intent of the books for the most part. Just some fun/cool shit set in the world. I've read Eisenhorn, Ravenor, some heresy and some Gaunts ghosts. I did hear nice things fromt he Gotrek and Felix stuff and I probably missed out not reading those.

Got to ask though. Are the Ork ones from the ork perspective or is it randos interacting with orks and being baffled by them?

 

[Failed Lurker]

Ilyan Nastase the half-Eldar Ultramarines Chief Librarian, dancing Ultramarines, Inquisitor Obi-Wan Sherlock Clousseau, and the deodorant Land Speeder model need to come back, though.

Thought we would get more 1st-3rd edition designed/upscaled kits via Horus Heresy but they did bring Nastase back as an Ulthwae Eldar Farseer ambassador to Guiliman.

Rogue Trader started as Sci-Fantasy in space with cultural satire, not left or right wing (90's killed true left wing/right wing-New Labour led to "New" Conservatives but Uniparty) , but all sides of UK society through the 80' at the Late 80's then 2nd/3rd edition solidified the more recognisable 40k elements in early to mid 90's:

Imperium being "the establishment" lions led by donkeys sentiment of WW1, hanging on to the Glory days of Empire, decline of once great towns and cities etc,
Orks football casuals hoardes of boys turning up just for a scrap, chanting and singing that turns into a roar when they see the "enemy"
Eldar 80's Anime, New Wave, Androdgeny, healing stones
Squats: biker gangs
Chaos, mix of the above with hedonism plus drug of choice that were prevalent in each subgroup who would've appeared in the pub-angry Ron was apparently name of local bouncer-cokeheads/roid rage Khorne beserkers, junkies Nurgle poxwalkers-Aids still a new/limited info thing at the time too.
Tyranids and Necrons were Alien and Terminator references.

It all had a tongue in cheek approach that was essential to the setting, that the larger than life scale ridiculousness of it all, that even if apparently Grimdark, was still based in a comedic light.

The big changes came mid 2000's across all media, where everything had to become more grounded, realistic or to have more overt social messaging, no more good/bad, now its misunderstood scholars etc. The other thing was the legal/copyright cases which to me, was the main reason for any and all range replacements, particularly the Primaris.

 

[Male Idiot]

Oh the HH was the real breaks off the content train.

You could see it string out like sphagetti. They rushed the initial plotline, than went and dragged the latter half out with as much padding as they could.

It was hilariously shit.

 

[FedPostalService]

Do they still publish the old Dark Future books? I regret not reading them as a kid. Are they all out of print?

 

[ZMOT]

The handful of space marine novels that I've read feels like an bunch of manchildren having the occasional frat party in between running gay ops. The lore is kind of repetitive, for the most part. And it's kind of funny how someone who's 300 years didn't develop an sense of empathy or humor

I attribute that more to crappy writers that never actually served in any military or other hierarchical function, or in general don't understand how someone "professional" would act like.
the stoic no-nonsense attributes make sense considering what the average space marine has to deal with and sees in 300 years.

They don't need to. Like I said, GW was woke from the start.

there's a big difference between coming up with creative ways to shit on the establishment that over time turns into it's own thing, and being said establishment pandering to a loud minority and the only thing you're shitting on are your own customers.

 

[FedPostalService]

there's a big difference between coming up with creative ways to shit on the establishment that over time turns into it's own thing, and being said establishment pandering to a loud minority and the only thing you're shitting on are your own customers.

The weird thing is our establishment is so retarded that the don’t even realise they are the establishment. They’re crying into piles of money about Thatcher stealing their milk.

They use “neo-liberal” as an insult but worship the EU and are weeping we are no longer in it.

We live in a society.