Warhammer 40k

[The tired cat]

Got to ask though. Are the Ork ones from the ork perspective or is it randos interacting with orks and being baffled by them?

Oh no, its straight up Ork perspective. Now, there were other players in Brutal but Kunnin, but it still focused on the orks and how they wrecked not just the Tech Priests, but by sheer accident wrecked a Chaos Marines plans.

 

[PrimeRadiant]

3rd ed Horus Heresy was what cemented Chaos and the Heresy's relationship, and in that version the Space Marines were aware of Chaos, and faithful to their Emperor.

This was cemented in the rogue trader era realm of chaos books.

Prior to these books, chaos wasnt as big an element in the 40k lore. In the realm of chaos we got an emperor origin story, the origins of the primarchs and space marine chapters and the basics of how the Heresy played out, inc the final confrontation.

Some interesting facts of this era:

In Rogue trader lore the Inquisition dealt primarily with rooting out rebels, xenos and psykers. They actually knew little about chaos and daemons. Dealing with Chaos was the responsibility of the Ordo Malleus and the Grey Knights. Anyone else who knew much more about Chaos and daemons beyond "nasty warp xenos" was executed incl Inquisitors. Entire Imperial Guard army corps would be used to defeat a chaos incursion, and them destroyed by the Ordo Malleus via orbital bombardment. Even Space Marines who had contact with Daemons would be mind scrubbed. Only the Ordo Malleus and the Grey Knights were permitted full knowledge of Chaos.

The primarchs were intended to be the progenitors of an entire new species of Humanity that was immune to chaos. The Space Marines were plan b after the Primarchs were abducted

Horus was physically possessed by a daemon

The Emperor, on his golden throne was slowly falling to Chaos. Chaos was constantly whispering to him in his coma state, tempting him with dreams of rest, while the various personalities that made up his gestalt soul were at war with each other, fighting over past mistakes and way forward.

The Emperor's physical children, the sensei, were completely unaware of who thier father was, and the Emperor was unaware of them. The Illuminati, former survivors of Daemonic possession were manipulating the Sensei and fully intended to sacrifice them all at the right time to the golden throne to rejuvenate and resurrect the Emperor.

 

[Male Idiot]

The weird thing is our establishment is so retarded that the don’t even realise they are the establishment. They’re crying into piles of money about Thatcher stealing their milk.

They use “neo-liberal” as an insult but worship the EU and are weeping we are no longer in it.

We live in a society.

Who even remembers and cares about Tatcher and Ragen any more?

It is just a weird goofiness now. To the initial GW team it may have been big spooky, but now its ancient history.

Current years go by faster, cultural change is accelerating, but we still got media from WW2.

Its like zoomers don't give a shit about muh 6 quadrillion. In 30 years, Republicans will be for trannies, just dragging their feet on necrophile pride, and all the TDS will be old news. Now it will be Fuentes Derangement Syndrome.

That's the problem of current year agitprop. It expires like a catboy on meth.

 

[Atypical Dog]

Inquisitor Obiwan would need a Disney collab. Maybe for Kenobi Season 2? The Emperor could meet baby Yoda too, think of the soycups that could be sold!

Cypher is just a Mandolorian Space Marine. Rowboat Girlyman gets the Palpatine treatment and becomes an overarching villain. Obi-Wan Sherlock Clousseau and Leia team up with Cypher and Baby Yoda on opposite ends of the galaxy, trying to defeat the new tyrant, Rowboat Girlyman, and his new Queen of Ultramar Ascendant, Yvraine.

They could also be a third hero pair, but this makes for an unexpectedly funny crack-fic. Guilliman even already has a flaming sword for a lightsaber.

Orks football casuals hoardes of boys turning up just for a scrap, chanting and singing that turns into a roar when they see the "enemy"

Orks are the best faction in 40k from a spectator perspective. They just show up, fuck shit up, and have a good old time. Would share a fungus beer with before being krumped.

Tyranids and Necrons were Alien and Terminator references.

I like the Tomb Kings in Space better than I did the wall of grey Necrons. Terminator is cool because it's so personal - the addition of command Crons with sentience just gave the faceless robot ones more personality, reflecting the light of their liege.

Chaos, mix of the above with hedonism plus drug of choice that were prevalent in each subgroup who would've appeared in the pub-angry Ron was apparently name of local bouncer-cokeheads/roid rage Khorne beserkers, junkies Nurgle poxwalkers-Aids still a new/limited info thing at the time too.

Can't forget this.

The primarchs were intended to be the progenitors of an entire new species of Humanity that was immune to chaos. The Space Marines were plan b after the Primarchs were abducted

The Emperor, on his golden throne was slowly falling to Chaos. Chaos was constantly whispering to him in his coma state, tempting him with dreams of rest, while the various personalities that made up his gestalt soul were at war with each other, fighting over past mistakes and way forward.

The Emperor's physical children, the sensei, were completely unaware of who thier father was, and the Emperor was unaware of them. The Illuminati, former survivors of Daemonic possession were manipulating the Sensei and fully intended to sacrifice them all at the right time to the golden throne to rejuvenate and resurrect the Emperor.

This is actually super interesting and could be a fun idea to bring back. The idea that the Primarchs are particularly large shards of the Emperor, with random people across the galaxy gaining supernatural powers as tiny parts of the Emperor's majesty, each of which has the potential to either continue his mission, fall to the indulgences of Chaos, or carve out a new path?

It does a lot at once - it sells the Emperor as a psychic collective that is currently shattered, it allows for characters with interesting powers/skills by being shards of the Emperor, and the eternal struggle between the Emperor and Chaos.

Imagine if they had gone one farther and made it so that there were exactly 108 shards of the Emperor's soul (or some other significant number). Like the Primarchs, some would be named, but most would be unknown and would be story fodder. That would be pretty cool.

 

[PrimeRadiant]

FYI..what is probably the original portrait for Horus. It was never stated explicitly that it was, but this was the image in the realm of chaos book in the Horus Heresy section. Gary Harrod was an awesome artist, and I wish they had used him more.

 

[Kharash]

FYI..what is probably the original portrait for Horus. It was never stated explicitly that it was, but this was the image in the realm of chaos book in the Horus Heresy section. Gary Harrod was an awesome artist, and I wish they had used him more.

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More like the Horus Hairesy

 

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For context, the conversation is between a pilot and a sister of battle,

the pilot mentions he knew someone who took the sisters name when they transitioned (as its in the book of heroes)

considering the pilot doesnt say he knew a sister who took the name, its pretty safe to assume that its just a troon the pilot knew (probably another pilot)

i think anyone stating this is evidence of geedubs woke agenda to create misters of battle or whatever other nonsense the rage peddlers are grifting on is retarded and gay.

what it is is a throw away line between to literally who characters that will never be relevant or mentioned in 40k lore ever again in a book no one read.

So it's literally just "Hey did I mention that heckin' valid trannyrinos exist?" in the middle of the book for no reason other than to hopefully get the author a handjob from the local rainbow haired dyke when he talks about how much of an ally he is and slips her a roofie. Got it.

This is actually super interesting and could be a fun idea to bring back. The idea that the Primarchs are particularly large shards of the Emperor, with random people across the galaxy gaining supernatural powers as tiny parts of the Emperor's majesty, each of which has the potential to either continue his mission, fall to the indulgences of Chaos, or carve out a new path?

It does a lot at once - it sells the Emperor as a psychic collective that is currently shattered, it allows for characters with interesting powers/skills by being shards of the Emperor, and the eternal struggle between the Emperor and Chaos.

Imagine if they had gone one farther and made it so that there were exactly 108 shards of the Emperor's soul (or some other significant number). Like the Primarchs, some would be named, but most would be unknown and would be story fodder. That would be pretty cool.

It could be, but like all interesting plot developments, the hacks at Black Library hunted the Sensei plotline down and intentionally destroyed it because the only specul snoflakez allowed are theirs, no one else's. See also: Squatting or retconning of every interesting Space Marine chapter so they're just not interesting anymore, because no one can be kooler than khaoz.

 

[AncientPhosphur]

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Omg woke shit
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Omg shut up lore changes all the time
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Omg Thatcher Reagan
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So I’ve been basing the RE stuff I picked up with wraithbone. Realizing I should’ve gotten a wraithbone spray for this instead of pot. Oh well lesson learned.

Also I’m mentally trying to figure out what to paint the night lord kill team. Don’t know if I should base in night lords blue and dry brush with kantor blue and add lightening bolts. Probably do a light blue at the start and then white scar highlight it. Anyone have any ideas?

 

[iceteayo]

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Omg woke shit
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Omg shut up lore changes all the time
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Omg Thatcher Reagan
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So I’ve been basing the RE stuff I picked up with wraithbone. Realizing I should’ve gotten a wraithbone spray for this instead of pot. Oh well lesson learned.

Also I’m mentally trying to figure out what to paint the night lord kill team. Don’t know if I should base in night lords blue and dry brush with kantor blue and add lightening bolts. Probably do a light blue at the start and then white scar highlight it. Anyone have any ideas?

Cmon lets be honest 40k stuff online is like 60 to 40 to actual table top and lore autists at this point. I didnt want to be *that* faggot but did you not see the amount of guys who came into this thread when female custodes dropped? Where are they now? Gone to the next drama leaving us with the axe wound. I blame youtube, lore used to be a gate keeping tool "oh its to much to read" and here comes the loretubers to summarize everything for people. Its why I hate people like Arch he brags about gatekeeping but he was the one who unlocked them.

Here is a Cataphracti White Scar I made a couple months

 

[LORD IMPERATOR]

So it's literally just "Hey did I mention that heckin' valid trannyrinos exist?" in the middle of the book for no reason other than to hopefully get the author a handjob from the local rainbow haired dyke when he talks about how much of an ally he is and slips her a roofie. Got it.

They should've had Chaos do it. At least one can explain changing sexes because Slaanesh or Tzeentch is behind it.

No. The Emperor in Rogue Trader was just a regular man more similar to Dune's emperors. The religion was a sham, and what later became primarchs were just human generals. It was just Dune mixed in with Warhammer Fantasy. Space marines were roided up ex-criminals with big hands. Perhaps part of going bigger was avoiding lolsuits as well as realising that their heckin satire (which should be a banned artform, just because of how shitty it is) didn't sell.

The Emperor being a fedora redditor was added with the 30k Horus Heresy series.

The religion was already a sham in the original series-that proves my point that they consider religion to be stupid.

I mean, they themselves said it best.

"To me the background to 40K was always intended to be ironic. The fact that the Space Marines were lauded as heroes within Games Workshop always amused me, because they're brutal, but they're also completely self-deceiving. The whole idea of the Emperor is that you don't know whether he's alive or dead. The whole Imperium might be running on superstition. There's no guarantee that the Emperor is anything other than a corpse with a residual mental ability to direct spacecraft. It's got some parallels with religious beliefs and principles, and I think a lot of that got missed and overwritten."

-Rick Priestley, Warhammer 40K lore author and creator, in a December 2015 interview with Unplugged Games

The Imperium running on a religious society runs on a sham, and people who believe that the Imperial Cult is telling the truth are self-deceiving idiots.

The Emperor being a reddit atheist was added later on in 30K to reinforce the previous point-that this man loves science but hates religion. Which shows that GW's leftie leanings didn't disappear with the leap to 3rd Edition. Which again, is a very leftist position, where the idea of the logical man hating faith is easily disproven if you studied history.

It's not even bad satire. It's that their perspective of morality is so detached from the other side that they cannot concieve that what they deem aborrent traits would be considered desireable to others.

That's what makes it bad satire. They bitch and moan and whine that the Space Marines are bastards because they fight for religion and nationalism, damn everything else, whereas someone else looks at that and thinks it's cool, especially if they're religious. It's like how Alan Moore tried to make Rorschach a bad superhero by making him a moral absolutist, but that very same quality made him desirable in the eyes of comic book fans.

there's a big difference between coming up with creative ways to shit on the establishment that over time turns into it's own thing, and being said establishment pandering to a loud minority and the only thing you're shitting on are your own customers.

It's the same damn thing. The same Left that now tries to shove political correctness and pandering down the audience's throat was the same Left back then that was whining about how bad religious conservatives are and how ignorant religion makes you.

Political factions change tactics based on the situation; back then the Left was subversive because they weren't in charge, now the Left is acting from a place of authority because their people are openly in charge.

Cmon lets be honest 40k stuff online is like 60 to 40 to actual table top and lore autists at this point. I didnt want to be *that* faggot but did you not see the amount of guys who came into this thread when female custodes dropped? Where are they now? Gone to the next drama leaving us with the axe wound. I blame youtube, lore used to be a gate keeping tool "oh its to much to read" and here comes the loretubers to summarize everything for people. Its why I hate people like Arch he brags about gatekeeping but he was the one who unlocked them.

Loretubers don't give a shit about the tabletop at this point. They only care about the lore. Which is why GW feels safe in offending them; they are not the big spenders in 40K, it's the paypigs that want figurines and who play the game.

I bet Arch hasn't played a game in ten years, if he's ever played a game at all.

 

[iceteayo]

The problem is always GW wants to much. They both want the Imperium to be a lesson in something to NOT be but they also want to market them as the big rightful badasses. GW should have done what Bandai did, there exist 2 factions in Gundam Zeon and the Titans that have their own multi paragraph rants about facism and blah blah. Zeon were slightly justified and had a bunch of cool characters which resulted in many simping for Zeon to this day. The Titans are the same idea but instead of making them justified or having cool characters they have NEITHER you cant even use the ignorant defense of liking them either they are a bad organization and suck.

tldr if you want to make fun of a faction stop making them look cool and making their actions easily justifiable

 

[LORD IMPERATOR]

The weird thing is our establishment is so retarded that the don’t even realise they are the establishment. They’re crying into piles of money about Thatcher stealing their milk.

They're still pretending they're the underdogs even though they can get people fired on a whim and control most of the media. We do live in a society.

The Emperor, on his golden throne was slowly falling to Chaos. Chaos was constantly whispering to him in his coma state, tempting him with dreams of rest, while the various personalities that made up his gestalt soul were at war with each other, fighting over past mistakes and way forward.

That would no longer be allowed, not after they made the Emperor into a legit godlike being standing up to Chaos.

Especially since he was a fedora-tipping atheist, the leftists at GW wouldn't allow him to get corrupted. More likely, they'll bring him back as a tranny or a woman.

Who even remembers and cares about Tatcher and Ragen any more?

It is just a weird goofiness now. To the initial GW team it may have been big spooky, but now its ancient history.

Current years go by faster, cultural change is accelerating, but we still got media from WW2.

Its like zoomers don't give a shit about muh 6 quadrillion. In 30 years, Republicans will be for trannies, just dragging their feet on necrophile pride, and all the TDS will be old news. Now it will be Fuentes Derangement Syndrome.

That's the problem of current year agitprop. It expires like a catboy on meth.

That's because the original ideas matter less and less. It's been that way with every subsequent generation. The ideas of liberalism and questioning religion are not as important as selling badass space marines to dipshit children who are easily impressionable. Hell, the SJW messages of the Millennial age don't matter at all to Gen Alpha, who care about SJW ideology as much as a college pothead cares about no-smoking signs. The original meaning gives away, and franchises do what must be done to sell.

Fortunately for GW, their paypigs will buy up their slop, so they can pontificate all they want and piss off the lorefans. The lorefans, if they actually bought the books instead of downloading PDFs and reading wiki articles, aren't the biggest payers for the 40K hobby. So losing them is an inconsequential loss.

The problem is always GW wants to much. They both want the Imperium to be a lesson in something to NOT be but they also want to market them as the big rightful badasses. GW should have done what Bandai did, there exist 2 factions in Gundam Zeon and the Titans that have their own multi paragraph rants about facism and blah blah. Zeon were slightly justified and had a bunch of cool characters which resulted in many simping for Zeon to this day. The Titans are the same idea but instead of making them justified or having cool characters they have NEITHER you cant even use the ignorant defense of liking them either they are a bad organization and suck.

tldr if you want to make fun of a faction stop making them look cool and making their actions easily justifiable

Gundam made it so that each faction has at least some justification for what they're doing. Zeon are tired of space colonists being treated like trash, the Titans are tired of Earth being led by weaklings and space terrorists dropping space colonies onto the planet, so while both sides are dicks, there's a reason for it. So you can collect both their model kits and play around with them without feeling too guilty for liking them.

GW wanted to appeal to both the Space Marine fans who want badass Space Marines, as well as the leftie pothead people who want the Imperium to be a satire of fascism. That was the case for a while, until now, they have the paypigs to be their major source of wealth, so they barely care about the lore at this point, snapping the Space Marine lore in half with the Primaris and the Custodes lore with the Fem-stodes.

They obviously don't care about the satire anymore since they're slowly trying to portray a progressing Imperium with Fem-stodes and trannies, with female Astartes on the works. You can't portray them as the evil faction when they're the face of progressivism, hence why Guilliman is back and the Hexarchs are defeated. The Imperium Eterna, the Imperium beloved by the conservative fans, is gone. Dead as a doorknob along with the rest of the Hexarchs. Now you'll have an Imperium led by superhero primarchs with Female Custodes, Astartes, and trannies. And it wouldn't surprise me if the Emperor was revived as a woman. Hey, not only will GW get the feminists, but the coomers as well, with that brilliant move.

 

[Male Idiot]

They just went on in the cool fantasy dark edgy paladin hype.

That needed them to make the Imperials kind of true religion guys with a working faith system for the 3-7th ed times.

Now they want to go for militant feminist type? Who knows. But this isn't the same as as the old "le religion bad, Imperium stupid and dumb" mockery. It is the "Imperium ackshually was always woke, religion is good as long as its lead by black women!" flavour.

 

[LORD IMPERATOR]

They just went on in the cool fantasy dark edgy paladin hype.

Not anymore. Now they have the paypigs, they couldn't care less.

That needed them to make the Imperials kind of true religion guys with a working faith system for the 3-7th ed times.

But even in those editions, the Emperor was still a fedora-tipping atheist. Also, the faith still had a lot of superstitions the Emperor would've never approved.

Now they want to go for militant feminist type? Who knows. But this isn't the same as as the old "le religion bad, Imperium stupid and dumb" mockery. It is the "Imperium ackshually was always woke, religion is good as long as its lead by black women!" flavour.

It's more along the lines of the latter. Now that they've turned the Emperor into an actual god, the next step is to make him/her the goddess of the new generation. And like I said, making the Emperor female will not only get the feminists' approval, but the coomers, too. Expect tons of fanart of a female Empress of Mankind being tied up or making the orgasm-face. There's already some of that now, and it'll only increase once GW makes it official. Maybe they can even get the coomers to buy some plastic if GW makes an Empress of Mankind figurine.

 

[AncientPhosphur]

GW wanted to appeal to both the Space Marine fans who want badass Space Marines, as well as the leftie pothead people who want the Imperium to be a satire of fascism. That was the case for a while, until now, they have the paypigs to be their major source of wealth, so they barely care about the lore at this point, snapping the Space Marine lore in half with the Primaris and the Custodes lore with the Fem-stodes.

One of the more interesting parts I’ve seen is “Imperium is a satire of fascism” dropping from all the leftist language in favor of posting muscle mommy porn. It’s no longer “fascist you don’t get it chud”

I blame youtube, lore used to be a gate keeping tool "oh its to much to read" and here comes the loretubers to summarize everything for people. It’s why I hate people like Arch he brags about gatekeeping but he was the one who unlocked them.

I wouldn’t say YouTube I blame all the Wikipedias allowing such easy access to all that information it allows YouTubers to make money off half assessed lore videos (and many of them still getting the lore wrong or miss points, looking at you MajorKill). For me what brought me into the hobby was the stories and memes being dumped on /k/ and /tg/. I delved into the books and then the models.

I feel like wikis was the death knell for a lot of nerd hobbies because it took away the gatekeeping that was usually argued over on various forums.

 

[LORD IMPERATOR]

One of the more interesting parts I’ve seen is “Imperium is a satire of fascism” dropping from all the leftist language in favor of posting muscle mommy porn. It’s no longer “fascist you don’t get it chud”

It can't be fascist if it's progressive. Especially if the Imperium is spearheaded by superhero Primarchs leading an army of trannies, female Astartes and Custodes, and Primaris Marines who make sure they don't misgender anybody.

Just as the Emperor wanted.

I wouldn’t say YouTube I blame all the Wikipedias allowing such easy access to all that information it allows YouTubers to make money off half assessed lore videos (and many of them still getting the lore wrong or miss points, looking at you MajorKill). For me what brought me into the hobby was the stories and memes being dumped on /k/ and /tg/. I delved into the books and then the models.

I feel like wikis was the death knell for a lot of nerd hobbies because it took away the gatekeeping that was usually argued over on various forums.

I would say it's still Youtube. The wikis were here for over two decades yet that didn't ruin the gatekeeping as much as the lore-vids do. Any dork can buy books from Amazon or download PDFs and get past that gatekeeping.

Also, it's impossible to gatekeep if the people in charge of your hobby want the invaders in. So even if we didn't have wikis or loretubers, GW would still bend the lore backwards or snap it like a slimjim just to accommodate paypigs or SJWs. The Primaris Marines were for the paypigs, the Fem-stodes were for the SJWs. Both broke the lore, but GW did it anyways.

 

[Male Idiot]

We'll have to see if the paypigs come over from the other brands. The current like to dislike ratio on their jewtube mirrors Disney and their epic smash hits like Ashoka.

Also no, the Emperor wasn't a fedora tipper before it the new HH books were written.

He wasn't much of a character at all.

Your mistakes show you know less than most.

 

[The tired cat]

So, while you guys pontificate about "Ze goom is comin guyz" moments, anyone got any suggestions what I can do with some remaining Imperial Guard weapons, specially since I also have lots of Ork stuff on me.

 

[p1138]

I would say it's still Youtube. The wikis were here for over two decades yet that didn't ruin the gatekeeping as much as the lore-vids do. Any dork can buy books from Amazon or download PDFs and get past that gatekeeping.

If you want to go back that far? I wouldn't blame the lore videos either. Arch and Lutein09 didn't start doing their lore videos till around 9-10 years ago. The current rush of idiots didn't start till 4 years ago when a bunch of people were bored out of their minds during covid lockdowns, that's when all of the "reacting to" shit popped up on youtube and GW saw a simultaneous boost in sales.

The idea that the fans "need to do something" or "continue the gatekeeping" or anything else is absurd. Femstodes are in the book, what are people going to do? Go protesting in notthingham about it? No. We already see things still selling out on GWs website for new releases, so that didn't dent sales either. Unless everyone in this thread plans on going to their next RTT and roundhouse kicking trannies in the jaw until they get out of warhammer, it isn't going to amount to fuck all.

As far as the emperor being a character, even that didn't happen till around halfway through the HH books when ADB decided that the emperor needed to fight drachnyen and wrote a gaping plot hole that was never explained(how did abaddon actually get the sword from ra endymion? it was supposed to just be floating in a maze, but how did it get there in the first place?), because again they're having a dozen plus writers just backfilling lore and not bothering to coordinate anything with eachother. And that's ignoring the fact that the emperor basically got into a fight and may as well have lost all things considered, before the siege of terra even started.

 

[ShitLurker]

So, while you guys pontificate about "Ze goom is comin guyz" moments, anyone got any suggestions what I can do with some remaining Imperial Guard weapons, specially since I also have lots of Ork stuff on me.

Mmm, is it just lasguns? Best I can think is kitbash some Mek Gunz/Artillery pieces by making a giant ball of gun bits.

Or use it as a way to mark some more elite boyz since their gunz haz gunz.